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I didn't see it in the article but I understand this ward will be divided between Matt Zone & Dona Brady's districts

Wait, what? It is? holy $hit how did I end up here? My realtor lied to me!

^ I figured that would be the case...

This isn't a one way road, however. Won't the the interchange give consumers easier access to Gordon Square? That's the question nobody can easily answer. For visitors coming from the East side/downtown on the Shoreway: - getting off at 49th/Tillman, you go left, then right on Detroit. That's 2 turns. - getting off at Lake/Clifton, you go left on Lake, then left again on Detroit. That's 2 turns. Take a look at the latest drawing of the 73rd proposal. It's at least 4 turns and probably 5 turns to get from the Shoreway to Gordon Square Actually I guess I answered it pretty simply.

I think most residents would be satisfied by seeing 73rd resurfaced with new sidewalks and some brick cross walks at Herman, Battery Park Blvd & Frascati, to give the impression that you're on a residential side street, not a freeway on/off ramp

That's because you don't live on 73rd. There's currently on-street parking and the street itself is not wide enough as it is for cars to pass. Add in the fact that the existing street up by Detroit is a mess of broken, heaved pavement, and several of the new units in Battery Park have garages that dump right out on to 73rd, with essentially no driveway to look for oncoming traffic. These are real concerns which haven't been addressed yet with what's been presented so far.

from yesterday's Plain Dealer/cleveland.com, recap of neighborhood meeting Thursday night Detroit-Shoreway neighborhood fears big project's impact http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/detroit-shoreway_neighborhood.html "Residents pressed for the Thursday night meeting at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Parish, at West 69th Street and Detroit Avenue. They put Councilman Matt Zone and Jeff Ramsey, head of the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization, on the spot." I was at this meeting. What the councilman expected to be a routine update on some big ticket projects turned into a bit of a gripe fest about traffic, safety, budget & schedule over runs, and general lack of community input. Tom Breckenridge said there was 80 people at the meeting but I counted more like 120.

great info, thank you everyone

Random topic request, but does anyone on this forum have info on the project which "capped" the section of 670 at High Street and created the space for development? I'm part of a group looking at a similar scenario in Cleveland and any info would be appreciated. Specifically, was it an ODOT project? Any estimate on the cost or scope? How was the project done so that actual buildings could be built atop the cap? How long ago was this done? Thanks!!!

Interesting article but totally ignores what so many in the Obama & Strickland administration have touted as job creation benefits of road building... good paying middle class union jobs, building & maintaining the infrastructure. Let's not forget the Innerbelt bridge funding was a gift from the Stimulus... the massive I-280 bridge in Toledo was the career achievement of venerable Marcy Kaptur, which her own webpage proudly touts as the largest bridge project in Ohio's history... talk about an unneeded project for a declining metro area.... The facts pointed out in Ms Schmitt's article are nothing new, writing has been on the wall for more than a decade now regarding declining miles driven & baby boomers retiring, etc. It's just laughable that she chooses to spin the article into blaming the latest scenario entirely on current governor Kasich with no mention of prior governors or ODOT directors who were just as complicit.

Gordon Square area is very family friendly. Nice single family homes on Clinton, also many homes North of Detroit. Great little private school in the area is Our Lady of Mt Carmel. We have neighborhood meetings there and there's always kids around. Ethnically diverse and seems like a quality private education for not a lot of money

arizona or florida? one of the most fun vacations I had was last year at Key West. Everyone you meet is friendly, fun, getting loose. The place is relatively cheap, surrounded by water, safe, lively, plenty of shopping, dining, some cool culture, history & architecture to explore also

The City of Cleveland has some great maps in Community Development & Building Departments that show the city laid out in shaded colors, with shading based on vacant/foreclosed homes, housing stock inventory, population density, etc. In every case, the difference between the east side & west side is very dramatic. It's not like the west side is Beverly Hills, but it's on much more stable ground, in terms of retaining & attracting working class families than the east side is. Exceptions of course being the often mentioned Shaker Square, University Circle, etc

I dont see the relevance. CBS and Wolstein are to vastly different venues. Of course, but they're both big sports venues which occupy some valuable downtown real estate and provide little in return while sitting empty the vast majority of the time.

I wouldn't let yourself get too worked up about it. Adding a $100 million roof to that can isn't going to make it any less of a waste either. I think there's plenty of other wasted spaces to focus on. Like this one perhaps: http://www.wolsteincenter.com/all-upcoming-events.aspx

Foundations will be increased for more than just the weight of the roof. wind loads? snow loads? $100 mill for this project, minimum. The cost of upgrading the lighting & HVAC & the playing field would be over $50 million, without the roof & supports. Adding a roof to Browns stadium will be no easy task due to the way it's built. Other stadiums have a much more "enclosed" design which would require much less retrofit

How much would it cost? IIRC I've seen estimates as low as 40 million. In 5 years I think downtown CLE may be ready for it's superbowl hosting party. It's impossible to predict, but I'm going to say it can't be done for under $100 million. I know that seems like a huge number, but consider that all the following items need done - enclose the sides of the stadium - foundations and structural steel, all around the stadium to support the roof (remember this stadium is built on a garbage dump and many of the old foundations from the previous stadium were reused) - actual roof structure, connecting & enclosing - new lighting throughout the interior - new HVAC system throughout since the building will be enclosed & climate controlled - new playing surface since field turf will be needed in the dome

The dome will never happen, way too expensive to retrofit an existing stadium like Cleveland's, just to pick up a handful more events throughout the year. The corporate naming will absolutely happen though. Browns stadium is one of a small handful of professional sports venue's without corporate naming.

http://www.batteryparkcleveland.com/ The development has it's own thread here dating back almost a decade since it was just a concept. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1684.0.html

What's stupid is that East Cleveland even exists as a separate entity anymore...

^except the surrounding population is still in decline. Things need to stabilize a bit before it makes sense to rebuild. Big picture, the west side areas like Detroit Shoreway & Edgewater are still losing residents, albeit nowhere near as fast as the east side. The east side has seen a substantial amount of reinvestment too in the last ten years or so. All the new apartments and single family homes in Hough, all the new single family homes built under Jane Campbell between Central & Community College...

Who are you directing this message toward? City leaders? You think "if they build it, people will come" applies to new construction on the abandoned east side? East side neighborhoods are so decimated they lack basic demographics to support things like a grocery store or solid neighborhood establishments. Building some new townhome developments is not going to change this. Plenty of wasteland on the west side too, check out the Stockyard areas, W25th to W65th south of I-90... Good leadership is spending tax dollars in a manner that produces returns. Some of those east side neighborhoods need to go into the landbank and sit for a decade or so, focus on rejuvenating what areas are already on solid footing and can prosper. If that's Tremont/Detroit Shoreway/Ohio City and University Circle, so be it.

Actually what's going back at Cedar Estates will be less dense that what was built in the 1930's. City Architecture recently did a master plan for this area, I haven't seen it yet though. The initial goal was to put some market rate apartments mixed in with the subsidized public housing, similar to what's done at Tremont Pointe. Some thought the area could support it, since it's on the fringe of downtown, sandwiched between CSU & Tri-C. We'll see.

From people I've talked to, familiar with the project, there was never enough market demand to support the original mainstream tenants that most people would shop at. The only reason these retailers had stores in Tower City was because Forest City had enough sway, nationally, in other shopping centers across the country, that they convinced retailers to open stores there initially. Obviously the demand wasn't there and one by one, they've pretty much all gone and we're left with stores like "LIDZ".

Unbelievable. That place has been sitting for 6 years. I looked in the window a year & half ago and figured the owner had given up since they ran into troubles getting the liquor license. Hats off to the owner for staying the course, I hope it pays off for them.