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The Main Avenue bridge is irrelevant to the entire discussion of the Shoreway and making the lake more accessible. The land around the Shoreway bridge is all industrial - West bank is Cargill salt mines & stone depot, East bank is the port. Neither is going anywhere.

You got one of those double-decker spoilers on the rear of that thing? Fart-can exhaust pipe? "Too-fast, Too-Furious" stickers? LOL

Lots of icons are torn down. Maybe it's in our best interest to seek out an alternative. Who could tell. Wouldn't it be interesting to see a cost-benefit analysis? It sure would. Be sure & include reduced property values all across the Warehouse District & new FEB project, since they'd no longer have the Shoreway accessible. See above. What wouldn't be accessible? You could still have a boulevard running east/west. The WHD and Flats existed - THRIVED - before the Main Ave Bridge ever existed. OK, so long as the mods are allowing the hypothesis conversation to continue, you are proposing to tear down the superstructure of the Shoreway bridge, install a new at-grade boulevard street which would cut through the west bank of the flats... no doubt require buildings to be demolished, then have some type of draw bridge which would open & close for ships passing, literally several times per hour... holding up traffic... then re-emerge on the East bank somewhere, probably as Lakeside Ave? Tell me again what's gained in this scenario? EDIT: Flats thrived before the Shoreway bridge in the 20's & 30's because poor immigrant families lived in shacks along the river in poverty conditions where men worked for pennies loading & unloading ships. Not going back to that scenario anytime soon

Lots of icons are torn down. Maybe it's in our best interest to seek out an alternative. Who could tell. Wouldn't it be interesting to see a cost-benefit analysis? It sure would. Be sure & include reduced property values all across the Warehouse District & new FEB project, since they'd no longer have the Shoreway accessible.

Totally off topic now and venturing into never-never land. That bridge is not going to be torn down. Not in the next 5-15 years and not in the next 20-30 years. It's one of Cleveland's icons. The superstructure below was recently repainted and the roadway is in fine condition. KJP is hypothesizing here about "train world" rather than adding anythign of substance to the thread

Living in Cleveland, I don't believe I've seen a single yard sign for Mandel yet until this weekend when I drove to Columbus. The northern suburbs are covered with Mandel yard signs, signs at highway exits, billboards, etc. Surprised me for sure.

It still may not happen. They have $35 million in place for funding. What happens when estimates come in at $45 million. Just because the governor showed up and shook some hands with local officials doesn't mean it's a done deal. This is still a very big, very complex undertaking, involving massive utility relocations, private property acquisition, railroad closure for the new bridge trestle, massive retaining walls.... if the price ticks up again and Councilman Zone comes out begging for money again, people will really start to question what else that $40 million could do around the area.... especially when other existing infrastructure is falling apart

go to "Cleveland Lakefront West" and see the latest documents there

No it won't be an intersection. It will come from up above in Battery Park, dive down under the RR tracks and connect near the Edgewater on/off ramp. No interruption of Shoreway traffic whatsoever

^those workers are there for the 76th tunnel project. Been actively driving piles & caisson tube steel for the last 3 weeks which will serve as the base for the massive retaining walls along the RR tracks. Not sure what the "godless welfare queens" remark means, but it's ironic that the same dignitaries you'll see shaking hands with Kasich on the 6pm news were all cussing him up & down barely a year ago when it was announced this project funding was being pulled...

short notice but apparently Governor Kasich is going to be in Battery Park today to announce this 73rd Interchange project with Mayor Jackson, Councilman Zone, etc. All the local media will be there as well. 11am. Local wine bar will be open for people to eat/drink afterward. Feel free to check it out

Here's one I took last week. Sun was setting so it's not directly overhead. I spend a fair amount of time on the lake and I think the water has never been more "blue"

Look for major update tomorrow on the 73rd interchange project at the Shoreway. Apparently the City obtained their portion of the funding ($12 million) and they are moving forward, planning construction start in spring. Still have to bid the work out. Should be interesting to see what the actual bids come in versus the budget amount.

it's difficult to find any one group that is a bright spot, whether it's the O-line or defensive secondary...

Miller has not improved his passing game this off season the way I hoped. The last big scoring play when OSU receiver was wide open, Miller totally underthrew him & almost put it out of bounds. Drive before that when hit the WR inside the 5, the receiver had to dive to make the catch. If Miller had hit him in stride (he was open) he could have gone in for the TD. The interception late was terrible. He had all kinds of time on that play but missed the open man down under and the open man above him...

That just made me laugh out loud

I agree with everything that's been said, especially KJP's comments about this being the cusp of a large cultural transition based on the reduction in driving. The interesting thing about Keith's comments above is that these massive transportation projects are tied into so many other special interests including local construction companies, labor unions, etc. There is a big economic development impact to getting a major project like this in your district and it would take a local rep with some major cahones to vote against such projects

Augured piles and steel is being set in place now for what will become the main headwall to hold back the rail road slope. Finally some real action taking place this week.

Not sure how it's been kept out of the press thus far, but CMHA broke ground this week on their new "solar farm" located adjacent to the new headquarters building on Kinsman. You can just barely see it as you're heading east up the bridge over the railroad tracks. Apparently it's going to be several acres of solar panels.

its funded by an assessment on the businesses along Detroit. You can see it on the tax records what the annual amount is

Kinsman totally sucks from 55th to 93rd. I drive it everyday. The CMHA development looks nice but that's it. That greenhouse facility being built near 55th is interesting

for the record, many a people in higher up places LOVE the architecture of Lakeview Terrace and hold it up as one of the finest examples in the country of public housing.... The whole thing that got this thread fired back up was a PD article about a robbery outside the casino. The article said the accused robber lived on Loop Drive and had a long list of prior convictions. I'd bet dollars to donuts that mr "DANK" was not an official resident of Lakeview Terrace and was staying there illegally. So lets please keep that in mind when discussions of bulldozing the entire place come up...

CMHA really only has property in 2 semi-desirable locations that I know of: aforementioned Lakeview Terrace & Riverview Tower on 25th. Lakeview Terrace has lake views, close proximity to downtown, but also has historic implications, and would require MASSIVE relocations (last I heard, nearly 2,000 people live in the family buildings & the highrise. Relocating that many people to another location is impossible and relocating them to dozens & dozens of locations or giving them vouchers for Section 8 housing is a massive undertaking as well. Riverview Terrace has great views, but ridiculously narrow layouts and not nearly enough parking, and is steps away from a slipping slope of a hillside that currently isn't suitable for anything other than an urban farm. Evaluating either of these properties for redevelopment as market rate is exciting to debate, but it's just not going to happen. I know Chicago did it, I was living there and watched the low-income towers come down and the area get built out into condo townhome developments. That's just not going to happen here in Cleveland. The market isn't strong enough, the costs are too high, and the site itself is just too massive. If it was a parcel 1/4 the size, it might work, but you have to take it all because people would never pay market rate to live next to crime riddled low income like Lakeview Terrace

^Lol. Lakeview Terrace isn't going anywhere, for a variety of reasons.

One of the more important rules of capitalism is that you can't pick the winners & losers. They just naturally occur. You have to allow the business cycle to run its course. Sometimes a company may go through a layoff cycle after a new product has been developed & launched. As soon as the government tries to implement some sort of tax to penalize them, the company will find a way around it, classifying the workers as temporary, or subcontracting the work, etc.