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Like a BRT or streetcar. Interesting... As a previously-cited article noted, FTA has been funding a bunch of Streetcar projects in recent years (including Cincy's -- yay!). My only concern for W. 25th would be streetcars going through the Market Square area where it often is (happily) very congested, with cars, buses and other vehicles crawling along.

Bull is, by nature, very argumentative and he and Fox mix it up often; I don't think it's contrived. Their "Let Me Talk" segment toward the end of the show is pretty funny if, for anything, for the way it's executed... Also as you probably know, Bull has a national show on CBS radio -- I don't listen often, but I think it comes on weekends.

Yes, obviously Cleveland has better transit than Milwaukee. Not sure how you can say that about land-use patterns, as that pretty much gets back to Milwaukee's lakefront planning. Also, there are sections of the river in Milwaukee that slope down just like the flats, albeit on a smaller scale. These areas are not in the heart of downtown but are just north of it; and are former industrial ares that are now residential. Here is the area I'm talking about. I think it would be a good example for the flats. https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.057679,-87.899133&spn=0.002627,0.004442&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=43.057724,-87.90003&panoid=9S2KEVaDdrqal5s36emldA&cbp=12,77.75,,0,3.5 https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.053877,-87.905678&spn=0.003716,0.008883&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.053874,-87.907713&panoid=k-XTad4h9DzDzIlQEtkLNA&cbp=12,186.01,,0,2.08 And here is another section of Milwaukee that has been developed where there are less slopes, but still a good example to look at. https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=43.031208,-87.907931&spn=0.003717,0.008883&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=43.031207,-87.909973&panoid=ri32uxNoOeH4ZLhUwkFuDA&cbp=12,102.8,,0,-1.19 I think Cleveland still has a ways to catch up to Milwaukee when it comes to riverfront development. It's because of Ohio State's student housing and adjacent neighborhoods I think. Points well taken Rustbelter; no question that, unfortunately, Cleveland grew rapidly more based on industrial expediency than a more logical pattern of quality residential development like both Milwaukee, and it's neighbor to the south, Chicago did. Milwaukee, btw, had a rapid transit system that it closed down (I think) in the 1950s. Cleveland has been very slow to realize its assets, like the waterfronts and rail transit, as tools for neighborhood creation, stability and growth. Finally, after many decades, we're starting to see some serious TOD planning and development in the city around a few Rapid Stations, like W. 25/Ohio City and the new Little Italy... and even near Tower City. And of course, the planned high-density residential development around the Browns' stadium is our 1st real volley toward realizing the Lake as a quality-of-life asset... Of course 3 miles to the West, we DO have long standing, high-quality Chicago/Milwaukee type development in Edgewater Park, and the Edgewater and Gold Coast neighborhoods stretching westward.... No surprise the areas of overall highest population density in Greater Cleveland is in those areas as well.

As Murray Hill mentioned there is a lot Cleveland can learn from Portland as far as urban development, but I also agree that Milwaukee is a good city to look too for ideas. Cleveland has a lot more in common with Milwaukee than it does Portland. Milwaukee has done a good job of redeveloping it's former industrial riverfront with residential development and it has a great lakefront that is on the same scale as Cleveland's. Of course Milwaukee did a better job than Cleveland from the get-go as far as urban planning goes. Milwaukee has always had a lakefront that is parkland in the heart of the city, and has always had nice neighborhoods along that lakefront near the downtown. Let's be clear: Milwaukee indeed has had better lakefront planning from a residential perspective than Cleveland. But I would not say Milwaukee, overall, is better planned than Cleveland, esp from a transit and overall land-use standpoint. And as far as the riverfront, Cleveland in the Flats has been steadily improving and is closing the gap. Of course, the radically different typographies of the 2 cities must be considered, with the steep cliffs down from the street grid into the Flats area along the Cuyahoga making riverfront residential development more challenging while industrial development more expedient, historically. Thus we see, like the Flats residential development on the East and West banks, those areas are nice, but tend to be cut off and segregated from the long-established neighborhoods at the tops of the bluffs. Milwaukee’s more street level river through downtown, like Chicago’s, make it more accessible and integrated into the downtown neighborhood.

Like what? Care to speculate?

^This is good news. Blatt needs an assistant coach with the NBA experience that Drew brings.

Storm leaves debris scattered on RTA tracks, closure continues By Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer Email the author | Follow on Twitter CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Damage from overnight flooding near RTA's Buckeye Woodhill Station this morning left concrete rubble strewn on the tracks. RTA has closed the station for now and is continuing to use replacement buses for all its Blue and Green Line rapid train service while it makes repairs. Sections of the Green Line other than the Buckeye Woodhill Station were under water last night, and RTA is assessing the damage before it deems the tracks safe for use again. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/08/storm_leaves_debris_scattered.html#incart_m-rpt-1

^I too have seen a number of HL buses either sitting dark with their "out of service" signage on, or being towed down Euclid. These buses have barely been running 6 years but the wear & tear thing is really taking its toll.

^Agreed. I've always liked Brinda after Indians games. He's the most passionate and (seemingly) knowledgeable about baseball of Cleveland's sports talkers.

^... of course with Mike Golic on M & M, you often get a Cleveland angle, which is cool. And even though Golic (obviously) is a football guy, he's surprisingly versatile in his conversation, which I like -- unlike the local talkers, like Cherry, who is totally one-track. Dustin Fox has gotten a little better on 92.3 in that regard, although he and Bull talk Browns around 80% of the time.

^I like Baskin & Phelps (sometimes featuring old stand-in Les Levine) even though some younger listeners think they're old farts. I appreciate the lower key, less yelling, more sports orientation of B&P than with many 92.3 hosts, even though when listening to sports I stick pretty much with WKRK most of the day. WKNR has gotten rather annoying to me, and they seem to talk Browns 24/7 (anything with Bruce Hooley, Jerod Cherry or Rizzo I tune out). I find myself listening to the national ESPN feeds on WKNR (like Mike & Mike in the Morning and Freddie Coleman or Bobby V at night/weekends) more than I do the KNR locals.

Cleveland-area flooding halts RTA Blue and Green Lines By Brandon Blackwell, Northeast Ohio Media Group Email the author | Follow on Twitter on August 13, 2014 at 7:45 AM, updated August 13, 2014 at 8:01 AM CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Greater Cleveland RTA Blue and Green Lines are shut down Wednesday as crews work to clear flooding caused by overnight rainstorms, a spokeswoman said. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland-area_flooding_halts.html#incart_graystrip#incart_orangestrip

Yes. If this route is so lightly used, why is it such a hassle to CSX if CVSR rented it for the downtown service?

Is this the bridge on the route the CVSR would/could use to reach downtown Cleveland?

Wow, that Houston photo makes the WHD surface lot area look tiny in comparison. Houston is the classic, ugly-American car-crazy, auto-oriented, sprawl city. I understand the new LRT system is making some dent, but an over 1/2 century of low-density sprawl can't be cured overnight.

I'm not sure it won't, either... Also, it looks pretty certain that a new (and hopefully much improved) River Taxi will return once FEB Phase II is complete.

awww man. thats a sore spot. as much as i am happy with all this redevelopment, i must agree it was a huge, huge misguided mistake to clearcut all of the original buildings, in particular such locally historic structures as kindlers and the original rockefeller warehouse. these old buildings could have been redeveloped into the nouveau flats easily enough and been great draws. a shame. however, in the end after phase 3 and i dk maybe a phase 4 it may not be so unique anymore, but overall it will be a great place again. it will certainly be a lively mix well even before then. i say hang on just a bit longer and then give it a try and a chance! Agree. This is the exact reason FEB will always be a sore spot for me too. I really dug the history and smaller scale of the buildings. Still, hoping for the best in the future. It is really cool to see the new development going on, even if I'm fairly certain it will never again be my "go to" place to hang out. I certainly miss the old Flats too, ... a lot. It was wild, crazy and fun... But in hindsight, which is 20-20 of course, I see the structural flaws which led to its downfall and, in some ways, am glad to see this new version try and correct it. I will say I concur in that it seems some thought could have, and probably should have, been made toward maintaining the scale and, at least, the facades of the older buildings that were wiped out in the Wolstein/Fishman development. But many of those old clubs were literally just converted warehouses with minimal improvement. That led to their charm but, on the other hand, lent a seediness that made many of them easy to destroy. Also, Old River Road south of the Bridge (and outside the Fairmount footprint, does maintain the scale and Victorian feel of the old Flats: buildings like Samsel's hardware, the former Arhaus furniture & Watermark restaurant. Yes, many people are decrying the "sanitized" nature of the new Flats. And we also know that the totally non-residential nature of the old Flats, along with the minimalist warehouse conversions (not to mention the many chain restaurants there) lent a fly-by-night aspect. It also meant that, when it wasn't Friday or Saturday evening (esp during the summer), the area was almost totally dead. And right now, I'll take a bit of sanitation in the hip/trendy areas I choose to visit. OK, so I'm a bit older (and certainly more curmudgeonly) than most UO posters -- not ancient like MTS, but older... Sadly, I think we've seen (and are still seeing) what happens to hip-trendy Cleveland neighborhoods that have a bunch of bars and, esp, that have live, esp rock, bands. The Flats wasn't just buzzing with life, it was rowdy, drunken (with many young people staggering around, throwing up, collapsing on the pavement and passed out). And I witnessed too many fights, sometimes woman-on-woman, than I care to remember. Of course we're seeing this same behavior on W. 6th and, surprisingly, I've seen a little bit of it in Market Square/Ohio City on weekend nights. In downtown in particular, I both hear and read people, even some of the 20-30 crowd say they prefer the more sedate though lively E. 4th vs. W. 6th (aka the "New Flats"). Ironically, the upscale FEB and its restaurant and clubs may morph into being the "old" Warehouse District; the one where folks escaped to avoid the Flats' craziness.

It will be interesting to see what kind (and how much) retail Stark will be able to attract to this complex. Nobody knows of course, but I'm assuming it would be on the ground level along Prospect, which will be interesting in terms of the historical association of retail to Euclid. With the apartments going in at the May Co. building, the restoration of the Herold, along with Red, The Steakhouse, among other substantial developments, Prospect is becoming the Hot street downtown – amazing considering the dump/hooker haven it was not even 15 years ago. I’d have expected the apartment tower at 515 to be developed before this, but we’ll take an all-new, luxury residential structure of this purported magnitude wherever we can get it…

^Nice. Thanks for the update.

I think you're talking about the building with Mr. Albert's Men's World, with Nick's sports bar and that DNA rooftop club... yeah, I don't like losing a quirky little building like this because it adds to the unique, historic urban fabric of Prospect. But I'd rather have this new development more. Sometimes you've gotta give something to get something.

^I like the project and the new thread... just don't think Stark's name merits heading it. He's no bigger than any of the other truly worthy developers (MRN, K&D, Fishman & Wolstein, etc.), he's just had a bigger microphone but with no results. And now, following in their footsteps, it finally looks like he may get a major downtown development project done ... yeah, I know it's a minor thing, but still ...

Excellent news. Another surface parking lot bites the dust! :clap: :clap:

There's so much potential for the Avenue, esp with renewed interest in downtown and the next-door casino generating the extra traffic -- including the comp-ed rooms for high-frequency gamblers in the Ritz. And of course, the Avenue is still such an attractive setting, as malls go, and then the great connectivity with all the buildings and the Rapid, of course.

He'll be back up soon. They move him down to bring up Lee to give the bullpen a break. There's some rumblings about removing the right-field upper deck and making other major changes to the mid- to right-field portions of the ballpark. I'll start a new thread in projects/construction to discuss the development. No doubt, but the kid needs to cool his heels and get his head together for a few rotations. He's a valuable cog for the future -- guys that can throw rockets like Salazar don't come around every day. But he (and Tomlin) pitched incredibly dumb ball the last 2 days that really hurt the team. We let a group of banjo hitters at the bottom of Cincy's order kill us with the Long Ball on consecutive nights; 2 straight nights from a team absent their big guns: Votto & Phillips. Re that killer 3-run homer by Cozart (again) in the 2nd inning, Rick Manning noted that Salazar weirdly went with a slider, that hung, have he'd been out-gunning Cozart with speed as he'd fouled off the prior 2 pitches swinging late. Worse yet, there were 2 outs at the time and the on-deck batter was the pitcher... But Danny's a kid with an obvious physical gift... He'd been pitching well until last night and even last night, 48 of his (economical) 69 pitches were strikes; he struck out 5 and didn't walk anybody... He just has to learn better how, when he's got a batter on the ropes, to put him away.

^btw, after tonight's 8-3 blowout loss to Cincy, Danny Salazar was optioned to AAA Columbus.