skorasaurus

As a resident, Old Brooklyn is always referred to as Old Brooklyn by its residents, not to be confused with Brooklyn, which is a suburb. Thanks for the clarifications, I never knew about the terms for those neighborhoods. :clap: Not to shift the discussion (perhaps it should have its own thread), the ward boundaries are quite arbitrary, imho. In 2009, the last round of redistricting, Old Brooklyn went from being a part of 2 wards [split by Kevin Kelly, and then, Ward #15, last councilman was Cummins] to 3, Kelly, Cimperman, and Brancatelli. Although it's possible for collaboration among CDC's and their councilman, I'd image that the CDC's could work more efficiently by having one councilman in their neighborhood. Having one councilman/neighborhood could promote better planning within the neighborhood with one unified development plan. Secondly, Cimperman doesn't pay much attention to his little area south of the steelyards.. :roll: As for the downtown areas, I wonder: should each neighborhood try to have a downtown that is each a little different in character and specialize to reach a certain constituency or culture ? The more vibrant neighborhoods right now are the ones that have specialized niches: Conventry, WSM, LI.. But then I wonder... Is that increased vibrancy [relatively higher than other neighborhoods] due to the neighborhood's specialization/niche, or the city and foundation's willingness to invest in those neighborhoods and put them in the NSP (neighborhood specialization program).... As I write this, I'm guessing the increased vibrancy is a result of both....

There's also a Ukrainian population in Parma. There's also a section of State Road (south of Brookpark to Ridgewood, perhaps?), that has St. Josephat's, the Ukrainian credit union, and a few other shops with Ukrainian shops, and was noted as 'Ukrainian village' by parma officials in the past 5 years. I think there's also a few other Ukrainian churches along State in North Royalton. Could the 2010 Census shed some light on it and give some numbers of where the ethnic communities are ? There's some Nepalese refugees (maybe a hundred?) also on Cleveland's west side, around the Triskett and 140th area. Also, there's a small (guessing between 100 to 250) Burundian refugee community who have arrived in Cleveland within the past 2 years. At least 2 families live within a few blocks of St. Colman's on 65th, and on the west side of Cleveland. KJP, How did I miss it, silly me :yap:

I also agree that ethnic communities' populations are much more geographically dispersed than they used to be and it's hard to define whether it's the ethnic makeup of the population or the ethnicities of the local businesses and churches. The polish in slavic village ?! heh, the people haven't been that concentrated there, I'm guessing for 20-30 years (before my time). :laugh: Unfortunately, nearly all of the ethnic shops [kruszynski's, jaworski's - butchers, Gertrude's bakery, and countless others that i'm forgetting] and shops, except for seven roses, have all closed or moved.

I love the canopies as well ! A portion of Main Street in downtown Akron also has a trees in its medians although IIRC, it's 3 lanes each way.

I'll ask my dad, he grew up there in the 50s/60s [Tremont]. he and his buddies nearly always refer it to the south side. He groaned when I recently told him that it's now the name of a trendy yuppie bar in the area.

The criteria (of what defines a neighborhood) seems quite messy to me, and there's multiple stakeholders as you mentioned that defined neighborhoods. There's subareas within neighborhoods, gordon square and detroit-shoreway, for example. In the case of Gordon Square/DS, Gordon Square feels like the downtown of DS. Are they two separate neighborhoods ? I don't know, probably not, however, I was thinking about adding Gordon Square shortly after I started making the map months ago, as one of the guiding questions that I hoped to answer while making it was answering 'where is Gordon Square ?' and 'West Park (as you had mentioned). ?' (Or is Gordon Square, also a state of mind, like New York and California :-D --- I mostly kid). Another point of yours that I highlighted is that the identities of neighborhoods have evolve over time and that the local residents perceptions, which haven't been mentioned yet, are important to consider. I also wonder about this as well as I learned about the Cleveland SPAs and was one reason I sought the opinions here on UO. For example, I've had acquaintances and friends refer to the area of Kamms (although they don't live in Kamms), increasingly in the past 2 years since I moved back to Cleveland full-time, but I've heard west park more often.

Sorry if I'm in the mood for semantics, 327, how would you define a focal point ? With regards to my map, every neighborhood on there has a downtown. Right of the cuff, I would define a downtown as an area that has more traffic: pedestrians, vehicles, and places to visit (whether they're a govt. building, private business, place of worship), and a variety of types of places than other areas of the same neighborhood. However I may be wrong, and there may be a neighborhood that does not have a downtown.

I'm a little confused on this question.

ClevelandOhio, Thanks. I've used that nhlink map (it's the 2007 SPAs) as a reference for mine but I chose to create my own for a couple reasons: - that ignores several neighborhoods including Slavic Village, Larchmere, and any neighborhoods in downtown (flats, warehouse dist), - I'd like a map that would be large enough to be printed as a 25x35inch~ size. - it didn't include roads on it - and lastly, IMHO, the colors on that map are a bit ugly. :laugh: I think it's beginning to be branded as the 'campus district'. I don't know if any signs have been created and displayed within that neighborhood or how much it's used in the lexicon [i'll ask a few interns from CSU on Friday] of CSU students today. Perhaps it's a neighborhood in utero =)

Looking for a map of Cleveland and its neighborhoods* ? I've been working on creating a large map of Cleveland's neighborhoods. It's about the size of 36x27 (in.) if printed. A full size version of the map and some more information about the project can be found at http://skorasaurus.wordpress.com/cleveland-neighborhood-map/ There's numerous neighborhoods that haven't been added including Lee-Harvard, Stockyards, Glenville and for these, I don't know the borders for them and would like to hear your opinions. I would also love to hear about any other neighborhoods that I have neglected to add, incorrect borders to added neighborhoods, or anything else that relates to the map. All of the data besides the neighborhood boundaries is from openstreetmap.org I've collected the neighborhood boundaries from 2007 SPAs, a few CDCs' service maps, some personal knowledge, and advice from fellow UO's . Thanks, Will This is the map currently: [updated Dec. 21, 2011]

It's another initiative to brand Cleveland as a 'healthy city' (along with med. mart, WSM, CC, etc.) Although I very mildly support it in theory and I agree with hubz, littering cig. butts are a mild nuisance, it is not worth City Council spending the political capital (of most smokers who visit Cleveland, whether they live, work, or come here for entertainment) or time on this.

I didn't vote because I use a combination of biking, driving, and bus. The means depends on a variety of factors: weather (I chose not to bike or take the bus during yesterday's downpour), whether it's game day, (my internship is near the Q and the Jake, and consequently, cost of parking increases), whether there's special occasions at work (haven't figured out how to bring a sportscoat without it becoming very wrinkly), :lol: and whether I need to run an errand or do something else on the way to/from my commute. Commute to downtown on the bike is about 20-25 minutes and 5 and a half miles. Driving, 9 minutes [at least during non rush-hour], I'll time the rush hour today], 6 miles. Bus and walking, about 40 minutes.

Don't think MidTown and Dick Pace plan on demo'ing this Agora building. Can't speak to the others. I was at the CPC meeting on March 18th and specifically asked them about the future of the Agora. Reps told me that they are not planning on demoing it and they have the owners on board for an eventual renovation and will be used as a concert hall. I asked if there's a specific time for it; they said no timetable was set but "it is down the road". (decided to add a couple other notes regarding midtown from the meeting, since the Cleveland Health Tech Corridor consortium gave a presentation, consisting of Midtown, GCP, Team NEO, Cleveland Found.): They want to eventually demo 6611 Euclid (it's still owned privately), and eventually brand the surrounding area as the "Central Park of the HTC". 6611 is next to Dunham Tavern and a Green Corps project. The presentation was the last one of a nearly 3 hour meeting, so I wasn't paying as much attention.. :lol:

bumsquare, according to the US Census Bureau, it's hispanic.

I was quite surprised to see that Tremont's census tracts all lost population, even 1044 which includes Lincoln Park, didn't include the old projects. 103562, an area north of Lorain, lost only 3.7%, which is only 103 people. The new condos must have offset the demoing of places near Lutheran Hospital.

I can't see the videos right now [on my lunch break at work :lol:] but this discussion, especially kjp's response, are extremely insightful and give a great overview about its demise to . As one of the younger ones on UO [early/mid 20s] and too young to experience the Flats as its been described [i went down there only once to party, when I was 18, to a beach themed place, shark/beach club ?] I had wondered why the flats fell apart and this is one of the best threads that I've read on UO so far. :clap: It's pathetic that CLE city hall and county officials had turned a blind eye until their related associates' profits and the crowds dried up.

Correct.

no dice, good try though :)

#38:

Do you have a PC or a Mac? I view the location in firefox and then take a screenshot of the image (using the 'prt sc'/print screen button on the keyboard), and then crop the image to only include the mystery image. #36 is the Hyacinth Lofts on east 63rd. I've never been inside them, but they look very nice.

I can't speak officially on behalf of the census, this was not the case in my experience visiting households in Old Brooklyn and Tremont, that were reported to not have sent in their census form, for the 2010 census. A census worker had visited a house at least 3 times before trying other methods of getting a count [asking a neighbor whether anyone lived there, when would be a good time to visit, etc, and calling the property owner]. There were a couple places that I visited over a dozen times [my record was 18] before I finally found a household resident and conduct the interview. For the households whose residents refused to participate, other census workers would visit a few more times, and if they continued to refuse [in most cases, these people eventually agreed to give at least a count], then they would try the other methods of getting a count. In the instances that we were relatively sure that the house was occupied and weren't able to get a count for the household, I heard there was a formula that the census office would use to approximately count.

35: the building on commercial and ontario, next to the to be demolished marathon station ?

It may be inside the a 36mb zip file on their FTP site - http://www2.census.gov/census_2010/01-Redistricting_File--PL_94-171/ [can't check, at work right now] Otherwise, no later than April 1st.

you're right for #32. #31, the one before mine, I'm stumped.

Been a while since the last post. #32 is attached: