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It really is a beautiful school. Check out these pictures. http://www.designshare.com/index.php/projects/john-hay-high-school-owpp/images

Elementary it's a toss up. Junior/Middle - Whitney Young Senior - John Hay Any. I found a website(greatschools.org) that has ratings and they gave john hays a 9 out of 10. thats better then most of the suburbs schools.

What is Clevelands best elementary school, middle school, and high school?

^ what are the other ones?

And is that the only section 8 in downtown?

That doesn't open, but this is a good idea http://www.flickr.com/photos/spirallightdesign/sets/72157624700545467/show/ Too bad thats not what we see everyday :lol:

what is the best neighborhood in the university circle area?

I hate driving. If possible I always walk or take the bus. I would guess I walk several miles a day and take the bus atleast twice a day mostly. The less time I'm driving the happier I am. I hope this generation retains their anti driving opinions once thy get a little older.

There are still millions of people who will stay in this region and buy new houses in suburbs or even further out. It would be smart for Cleveland and Cuyahoga County to try to get those residents instead of lets say Lake or Geauga county.

You might be right about some of those areas, but the Mill Creek development is in Garfield Heights, not exactly a suburb on the rise (quite the opposite), so of course homes are only 79k there. As far as fixing the downward trend for the region, I have no idea. It's obvious why people are leaving areas that have issues with education, crime, and poverty. Those areas account for absolutely huge parts of the city itself, which is a serious problem. But why are they leaving the nicer suburbs outside of Cleveland too? If nicer places like Lakewood, Shaker Heights, Fairview Park, Beachwood (and the list goes on...) can't even keep people.....then how in the world can you turn an entire region around? For the education, crime, and poverty issues, building new large neighborhoods of houses can help. If you have an area full of $200,000 to $300,000 homes then that helps the poverty issue in that area. It also affects the crime levels because higher incomes often lead to lower crime. Schools is an issue that needs to be addressed in a different mannor though.

Yeah, so we can end up like the "new" cities in the South and the West with an over abundance of stock/developments, lots of which is in foreclosure (Ex. W Atlanta - Downtown residencies where only one unit out of 74 has closed or pick one of numerous "developments" in Nevada, Pheonix or Southern/Middle Cali). Not to mention, the credit markets have not opened up. As the Mayor would say, "this is magic wand" wishing. What people "want" and can "afford" are two different things. Which is why you find new yet often cheap and substandard housing in the 'burbs. It's not necessarily what people "want" but what they can afford. There has also been a lot of people who move to $300,000 homes in the middle of nowhere. The neighborhoods can still be dense but they have to be new. Like in Tremont for instance by literary rd or at beacon place, but on a larger scale. Im just saying if Cleveland wants to bring back residences it will need to offer houses and neighborhoods that compete with the suburbs. And i'm not saying to do it right now cause I understand we are in a recession, but it is something that needs to be considered in the future. what makes you think it has not been discussed or (early/preliminary) planning is not in progress? Both banks of the flats have discussion plans on the board. Euclid between east 9 and 14 The Warehouse District parking lot conversions AsiaTown There are already new homes in the Southern Part of the Quadrangle CSU is expanding it's campus with mixed income developments The Avenue district There are project in the works and some awaiting the proper financing to get the ball rolling. Tremont is in the I dont understand your argument because at first you basically said it was stupid to build new neighborhoods and you mention cities that obviously have over saturated the market with houses which cleveland has clearly not done, and im not saying to do it at that scale. Secondly when I said its something that should be considered in the future you freak out and say it already is even though you called it stupid. And almost all of your examples of projects in the city are apartments and condos. I was speaking more in term of large residential neighborhoods consisting of houses. A city needs apartments and condos but it also needs houses.

I was thinking about that after i posted it. another reason to invest in rails on not highways. hey can someone move this the the 3C thread?

Yeah, so we can end up like the "new" cities in the South and the West with an over abundance of stock/developments, lots of which is in foreclosure (Ex. W Atlanta - Downtown residencies where only one unit out of 74 has closed or pick one of numerous "developments" in Nevada, Pheonix or Southern/Middle Cali). Not to mention, the credit markets have not opened up. As the Mayor would say, "this is magic wand" wishing. What people "want" and can "afford" are two different things. Which is why you find new yet often cheap and substandard housing in the 'burbs. It's not necessarily what people "want" but what they can afford. There has also been a lot of people who move to $300,000 homes in the middle of nowhere. The neighborhoods can still be dense but they have to be new. Like in Tremont for instance by literary rd or at beacon place, but on a larger scale. Im just saying if Cleveland wants to bring back residences it will need to offer houses and neighborhoods that compete with the suburbs. And i'm not saying to do it right now cause I understand we are in a recession, but it is something that needs to be considered in the future.

The question is how can Cleveland fix this downwards trend. The fact is that people move out of cities and neighborhoods and are willing to drive farther to work all to live in a safe clean new environment. They fill up new residential neighborhoods in the middle of nowhere to accommodate this goal not because of the cities amenities or location. Cleveland needs to join the game and get large new build residential neighborhoods. Most of us on here appreciate the old housing stock Cleveland has to offer and would prefer people to move into them and fix them up but that is just not realistic. The truth is that only a small group of people want to do that. Most people want to live in new houses in new clean neighborhoods. If cleveland wants an sudden growth in population then it needs new houses. Its as simple as that.

Not sure where to put this. <b>Generation Y Giving Cars a Pass</b> By Jim Ostroff Selling cars to young adults under 30 is proving to be a real challenge for automakers. Unlike their elders, Generation Yers own fewer cars and don’t drive much. They’re likely to see autos as a source of pollution, not as a sex or status symbol. Motorists aged 21 to 30 now account for 14% of miles driven, down from 21% in 1995. They’re more apt to ride mass transit to work and use car sharing services... http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1523/generation-y-giving-cars-a-pass/

The rest isnt much. its just a hotel and landscaping. maybe a restaurant.

To bad residential couldn't be part of the first phase

Oh and I ride the health line everyday several times at all hours and I dont ever get checked for a pass. They need to do a better job checking in my opinion

There are definitely still some talking. But there are definitely some not talking as well...... Maybe they're just shy

An article in the Plain Dealer from march 12th this year has people estimating Clevelands population around 325,000 to 330,000. That just seems plain stupid. That would be a loss of 32% of the population which would be the largest in our history. Idk I just dont see that outcome. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/03/as_the_2010_census_begins_the.html

I still hear them talking!

so is the Cleveland Urban Design Collaborative shortened to CDUC or CUDC? ;) hahaha good eye :lol:

Does Cleveland actually have the 8th largest downtown labor force in the nation?

Seneca Wallace is definitely not a starting quarterback according his inability to throw the ball on target. Running quarterbacks may be exciting on some plays but the simple fact is that they just dont win. I think that the biggest upset for the fans is that we overhyped our quarterbacks this season. Still better then what we had last year but not as good as we were expecting.

I see us having a worse record this year after these 2 games. Some coaches need to go