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8 hours! Wow! I understand the reasoning I guess, but that is terrible for residents. How are we going to attract residents to the city(where break ins happen more often), when police response is so terrible. Imagine coming home to find out your house had been broken into and calling the cops and them not showing up till the next day. It makes a terrible situation even worse! Compare that to living in a suburb where the cops would show up minutes later. Would make falling asleep and finding comfort a little easier. Ps, I'm not blaming the cops.

^ Very sad.

Just read on the Ohio City crime watch page that it took 2 hours for the police to show up after a resident called about a home break in. Another commenter shared a similar situation which took 4 hours. I don't see how East Cleveland would benefit from Cleveland's services. I also do see how Cleveland would benefit by taking on another troubled area when they cant even get police to their current residents.

Wow that is depressing. Never knew how big stealing tires was in Ohio City/Detroit Shoreway. And even worse, house break-ins.

^ The East Cleveland name would most likely remain as a neighborhood name.

Pathetic. Justin Artis did the same thing last year and probably has done it a lot more just not getting caught. Why do we do NOTHING?!!! http://clevelandheights.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/armed-robbery-suspect-arrested-c9cd4b7c

CSU misses the boat with green space. Nobody uses there little lawns, but their courtyards are packed in comparison. Move the building up and create a courtyard.

That lawn is terrible!!! If anything move the building up to the street and you'd still have a smaller square lawn on the eastern edge. It almost looks like they could have built this building with the same exact footprint without even touching the buildings they demolished (not saying that would be a good idea or would ever happen)

Id be fine taking EC if we got Lakewood in return! Lakewood would never go for it though since they would see a massive decline in services.

How are the restaurants in the flat doing? Everytime I pass by they look dead! The waterfront line is usually empty too. Hopefully phase 2 changes all of this.

I keep hearing that being thrown around too but no one ever gives any further explanation. Even so I would guess even with their population, Cleveland would still be below 400,000 next census.

I said in most cases, and besides the number of Cleveland Heights residents transferring from bus to the Red Line is very low. There are some, Im not denying that, but that isn't the major factor in that stations ridership. I was mainly talking about the Red Line, which has the highest ridership for a rail line in Cleveland and seems to be the most talked about. The Shaker Lines are built much better IMO. And while Shaker Blvd is beautiful, from a rail perspective, its a shame that higher density residential and commercial uses were never allowed to develop. Also times have changed, and like KJP has stated, these residents now are more likely to work in University Circle than Downtown, making the rail line less valuable to them. I still love the area and thinks its one of the greatest spots in region. Edit: The way the rail is routed out of Downtown to the east also hurts ridership. From tower city to east 55th, the rail lines basically travel though a wasteland that will never be able to provide any worthwhile ridership or development.

Think about how fast it would be growing if these things didn't happen - you would have the best urban neighborhood between New York and Chicago, easily. Although it would be a lot better, I wouldn't go that far. You cant ignore the urban neighborhoods in Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and even Columbus, all of which are much more urban in design. Even Cleveland has several neighborhoods which could compete for best urban neighborhood in Cleveland.

It not completely removing any demand, but it definitely isn't helping. I know of many cases where people were looking at Ohio City but ended up choosing Tremont, University Circle, Little Italy, Shaker Square, Lakewood, or Cleveland Heights due to crime being higher in Ohio City + the number of sketchy characters. Ive also read about people moving out due to crime issues. Even on UrbanOhio you can find this when you look at relocation threads from a year or two ago before this forum turned into positive thoughts only/being blind to anything negative. You can find several threads on here recommending Tremont or Lakewood over Ohio City mainly due to crime. Ohio City does still have a draw though which Im not denying. Its mostly towards people who like it for its entertainment.

While transfers aren't as bad as park and rides, they are essentially the low income equivalent in most cases. Cleveland's Red Line is completely dependent on park and rides. I don't really see how you can claim otherwise. If anything Denver's system is slightly better due to its impact on downtown, as it has a more visible presence, and multiple more convenient stops. Cleveland only having one true downtown station really hurts ridership(which can only get so big as parking lots can only get so big.) Additionally Cleveland's rail is built away from strong commercial strips(which we lack in the first place), away from residential, and is built next to 6 lines of freight rail. At least Denver has several rail lines that are built going through the neighborhood providing a much greater possibility of actual TOD. How many other cities have rail that is completely built on a freight rail ROW?

Technically it is still shrinking, although growing in a different demographic. So you don't agree that crime hurts the vibrancy of the neighboring areas? I really don't understand how anyone could disagree with that.

Only because much of the vacated land is very polluted. The number of EPA Superfund sites between East 55th and University Circle is appalling. Stations with 22 or fewer parking spaces devoted to RTA passengers are: West 65th, Ohio City, Tower City, East 34th, East 55th, East 79th, East 105th/Quincy, University Circle, and East 120th/Euclid. So half of the 18 Red Line stations have little or no parking for passengers. This is very different from Denver's rail system which, as Jake points, is heavily dependent on park-n-ride traffic. Jakes points out one of the reasons why. Another is that much of Denver's system won federal funds when the FTA awarded grants to rail projects whose foremost purpose was to get cars off roads and chase development, not build cities and shape development. The majority of our ridership is still park and ride, making our low ridership system dependent on park and ride traffic as well. You know that. Most of the stations you listed have some of the lowest ridership and university circle station is dependent on bus transfers due to its poor placement/connection with the neighborhood. What makes TOD also harder is that out stations are isolated, making any TOD have to stand on its own rather than add to an existing neighborhood.

The bigger problem is underutilized first floor space than vacant. The A Cafe just went out of business so that space is now open. The spaces along star plaza are also largely vacant. The entire north side of Euclid between Cowell and Hubbard and the Allen Theater is grossly misused, east 9th to east 12 is all vacant but hopefully will improve, although I fear we will be gaining another parking garage entrance. Pnc tower's "plaza" is poor street frontage, 668's office wall is terrible. The arcades are improving there frontage, although I believe some of those spaces might be free rent, but still a gain. The corner alley takes up like 4 storefronts along Euclid which sucks. Positively Cleveland uses a storefront for a conference room. The May company building has several vacant spaces. We have so much potential for Euclid but seem to miss the boat. This building should probably have retail space, but I'm not sure the demand is there based on the other buildings. Euclid should be our retail street. We have Superior, St Clair, Lakeside, Ontario, and East 9th to be our streets devoid of life!

Up close it looks cool and at an angle but from far away it looks terrible in my opinion. Removing the ugly shades might help, hopefully that is part of the project.

There is that convenience store/grocery store there, a jimmy johns, subway, and the relocated rascal house. Bar uno in the student center. Playhouse square has a lot of vacancies/ poorly used first floor retail space too so I doubt there is much need for over there.

My fear is that retail spaces seem to have trouble getting filled over there, so the developer doesn't want to have to deal with that and rather have residential units in those spaces. More concerning to me is 668 Euclid Avenue. Now THAT is a major 1st floor dead zone in an area where filling retail spaces shouldn't be as hard!

University Circle, Ohio City and the new Little Italy station, which have/will have, substantial ridership have no parking. The majority of the Red Line ridership is from west siders driving to the stations and taking the train into work. And no station in our system has that high of ridership. The highest (other than Tower City) is Brookpark, a station completely isolated and surrounded by parking. Cedar relies mostly on bus transfers, ohio city doesn't have that high of ridership IIRC, and Little Italy isn't built yet, but I do believe that station will be strong, as it will be the best urban station in the system that also serves a major employment center. I only bring this up based on your comments about Denver's system being mostly park and ride. So is ours.

I posted all of the ones I found in a thread back in August. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,28594.msg671609.html#msg671609

I don't feel like rail is needed and would have a negative result because it would leave a bad opinion of rail, like the waterfront line.

^ the red line is basically 100% park and ride too. The problem with our rail is that's it's placement makes TOD that much harder.