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We were on pace for less than last year even in November if I remember correctly. We had a terrible end of year though. Maybe the lack of snow/cold weather allowed for more people roaming the streets than staying indoors.

All of the violent crime in Central is annoying. Its worse then any other part of the city and its near downtown, and its in the public housing complexes. You are given a place to live and you cant refrain yourself from committing violent crimes? How can we combat crime in public housing neighborhoods?

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Even if the closing of both roads can be done, the garage could still work. Temporary closures will happen, but overall I think it could be a good plan. Provide parking which could save buildings from being demolished for parking, and make those lots less profitable. And it would be one way to get people on the square in the first place. There would be a good flow of people entering and exiting the square to get to and from the garage.

Im not sure if this has been suggested, or if its doable, but it could be very beneficial. If we could actually close Superior and Ontario, I think we should look into creating an underground parking garage, under the 3 quadrants and roadway. You would have steps up to various locations on the square, like Mall A, in addition to access to tower city and the casino. It could help get rid of several parking lots around the square, by decreasing the demand. And maybe you can get Dan Gilbert to help pay the bill because of the added parking for the casino.

Right, interior life. Just like skyscrapers. The exterior life is still inexistent, and nothing can really be done to change it due to the design. My point was basically just saying that the buildings that were there previously, interacted better with the street, and created a better, more active, more pedestrian friendly neighborhood then is there today, even when the complex was first built.

And you missed my point AGAIN, think about how the post office was used when built. People had to go there in order to do business. LOTS of business. Most people You had to make a trip downtown to do business at the post office, not their neighborhood branch. The post office is only one part of the discussion though. Are you missing the rest of my points? I understand it served a purpose, but it still had a huge impact. In todays term, it is much worse then what are in those old pictures. The older buildings, if still standing today, would add to downtowns vitality, and would create a pedestrian friendly area. The post office does not. Today, this area is a complete disaster in my opinion. http://g.co/maps/zt9xd

Lower Euclid has some beautiful older buildings. But they replaced even more beautiful buildings unfortunately. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BEFORE. http://www.shorpy.com/node/9827?size=_original

Okay so not half, but a huge chunk on the square(1/4) and a huge area that fed into the square. Higbees was good yes, but Im thinking more of the whole area the complex encompasses. I gave examples on how Landmark Buildings, and the post office basically just large wall for pedestrians to walk past. No retail spaces, no reason for pedestrians to be over there. Yes they serve their purpose, but so does some of CSU's old buildings, just much uglier. Still the area in general, behind the square, is very unfriendly to pedestrians. Why would I walk over there, unless I worked there. And superior west of the square is one of the worst parts of downtown, and it was taken out by the complex. I wish I could find those pictures so I could post them. Here is a good one of Public Square though. Higbees was there, but in a different location, You can see how the square on a better layout and purpose. http://www.shorpy.com/node/9820?size=_original

Agreed. It should probably go here.

^ That picture was from when the most of the complex was already built. You can see the post office. The book "Cleveland Then and Now" has some great pictures of what Superior Avenue used to look like. I doubt many people would say Superior Avenue, west of the square, is better off and more pedestrian friendly today, then it was in the last 1800's/ early 1900's, prior to the construction of the TT complex. And sorry for discussing something that hasn't really been discussed. Of course we all love the terminal tower, I do too. Im just commenting on how we lost a lot, and the area is, by design, is not as pedestrian friendly as it was. So my question to you is why are you so fixated on saying im wrong and shutting down any discussion.

They did a great job with 668 from what I can tell

Just read the title so far, but great news!

^Would you agree that Superior wasn't a slum and that its far worse today because of the Terminal Tower complex. And that most of the area around the complex is not pedestrian friendly. Unfortunately these buildings would have probably been demolished anyways, but that is not certain. And of course, I love the terminal tower im just trying to look at it from a different perspective.

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But you cant expect people to move their families into neighborhoods like Clark-Fulton. The crime is too high, and the schools are not good. Also whats attractive about the neighborhood other than its proximity to downtown? Clark Avenue is no more urban than a run down suburban commercial street. Its housing stock is aging, and arent the beauties in Ohio City. If people wanted to move into urban neighborhoods, they are more likely to choose Ohio City, Tremont, Downtown, Little Italy, University Circle, or Shaker Square.

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I feel the top map shows the direction Clark-Fulton is headed. Hopefully as this neighborhood continues to go downhill, it doesn't bring Ohio City and Tremont with it. Tremont's isolation looks like it is helping a lot with keeping carryover crime away.

The top I believe based on the way the city classifies it. Also I added a new "Rape" map on the bottom.

^ Unfortunately no, its a Cleveland gis map.

The more I think about it, the Terminal Tower complex is kind of a bunker. All buildings are connected by underground tunnels, so you never have to go outside. Most has no retail frontage or any interactions with the street. Superior is a joke. Huron is joke. And West Prospect is a joke.

I dont buy the whole slum thing. The warehouse district(what remains) was considered a slum and a fire hazard. Plenty of great buildings were demolished by people who didn't see the value in them. I believe the complex helped kill Superior Avenue and all activity south of the tower. The Landmark Buildings add no street life. The old post office has terrible interaction with the street. I wouldn't call any of that area a fun place to walk. And unless you work over there, or are at the hotel, there is no reason to be over there. You will most likely enter tower city from the square, garage, or tracks. Compare whats here today compared to the pictures I posted above. http://g.co/maps/3ecyh http://g.co/maps/ae977 http://g.co/maps/vquca And the skyscraper did kill it from its old function. Why should I go to public square? The whole northeast corner serves no purpose for me. Dont work at Key Tower, and the Courthouse just creates a wall to walk past. 200 public square doesn't add much. Im glad they added retail spaces on Euclid though.

^ Thats everything. I added more maps though.

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