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I think you just stated why, if something gets built, will probably be an extension of the Red Line. They would have to run a lot of buses to handle the number of passengers over long routes taking a long time. That's a lot of labor, service hours and late-running buses. Why would buses run late? Because over longer routes, all it takes is one wheelchair passenger and that bus falls back in the service pattern, into the catchment timeframe of the next bus behind. So the slightly late bus starts picking up more passengers than it would normally, and it runs later and later. The bus behind it is having to pick up fewer passengers so it catches up to the bus ahead of it. Although this happens less on the HealthLine because it has level boarding and pre-payment of fares, we know it still happens. And then there is the signal preemption at intersections which never seems to work right.... Even before the HealthLine, the #6 bus ran with the same type of regular buses as the #28. The #6 ran the same route as the HealthLine runs today, from Windermere to downtown. Meanwhile the #28 ran along Euclid from Windermere to Euclid, carrying 1 million people per year, just as it does today. There's a reason why these were two separate routes then, even when they used the same kinds of buses -- because running the #6 all the way out to Euclid Square Mall would have overwhelmed that route and destroyed what reliability it had. By forcing a transfer from the #28 at Windermere, some of the riders transferred to the Red Line and some to the #6. When you don't force a transfer, it's only human nature to want to stay in the same seat. You might even match the train's travel time on a slower bus because you don't have to wait for the train. By forcing a transfer at Windermere, the ridership gets dispersed between the Red Line and the #6, or the HealthLine today. If the HealthLine is extended out to Euclid, most if not all of the Euclid Avenue transit ridership east of Windermere would likely stay on the HealthLine west of Windermere. Because a two- or three-car Red Line train can carry 160 to 240 seated passengers with just one driver, it may be much more cost-effective to extend the Red Line. Thanks for all that. Also what is the Health line supposed to be running at? Every 10 minutes? 15 minutes?

Thanks KJP, Ill move my comment to the healthline thread so this thread doesnt get too off topic

^ I want streetcars to replace the healthline busses so bad. The current busses wouldn't be a waste because they could be used to replace the other older articulated busses that currently run throughout the city. Personally I would like RTA to perfect the routes they have in place before expanding them. The Healthline already has too long of intervals and overcrowded busses. Extending it would only make an even worse nightmare.

Great news, I was looking at that building today hoping progress would occur soon!

Also a newer video...

Can anyone tell me why I saw a healthline vehicle drive over the eddy road free way and get on the highway? http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Eddy+Rd&daddr=I-90+W&hl=en&ll=41.550607,-81.604514&spn=0.004167,0.009645&sll=41.550872,-81.603398&sspn=0.004167,0.009645&geocode=FX8CegIdXdgi-w%3BFVD_eQId2cci-w&vpsrc=6&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=17&t=h&z=17

I would love to steal Progressive from Mayfield Heights. They would fill up a building taller than key just by themselves.

Thank you, I couldnt find any info on those anywhere else

The money would be spent in another city if not here. So for that reason alone, I am glad.

Wow! Thanks for the picture!

Im having doubt about Hillis. And focusing on the FB, we really hurt ourselves letting Vickers go. He was instrumental in the running game. Marecic has no impact. Watching highlights and replays really makes this clear. Wish we still had Vickers and Harrison back there personally.

Good onside kick by Phil Dawson to give us a chance. Too bad our offense can only get 7 yards...

I know this is old but I remember seeing the plans on here somewhere but cant find them. Could you please repost them? Thanks!

^Agreed, I dont know why people hate the thing. Also Litt is being a bit extreme in my opinion. "The other one, the $260 million Seidman Cancer Center at University Hospitals on Euclid Avenue, looks so out of place that it produces a grating, nails-on-the-blackboard sense of visual discomfort." "In this context, the Seidman Center looks arbitrary and disruptive, even garish. Its bulk and 10-story height are intimidating and overbearing. These qualities are amplified by the center’s scalpel-bright skin of steel and glass, which contrasts in a confusing way with the beige brick facades of the earlier generations of UH buildings, as well as the other surrounding structures. The abrupt shift of style and materials makes it look as if UH didn’t know how to build respectfully on its own past. At the same time, the building appears to strive for an iconic stature that it never quite achieves."

From an article earlier this year. "Work on the project will begin next summer and continue through 2014." Cant wait to see the finished product. Better take some pictures of the building before next summer!

^ Isnt that essentially how the Medical Mart is funded though? That money is not being paid back, and it is for profit by a private corporation.

Parked at Cleveland State last tuesday in the South Garage. Learned that the garage is actually 4 levels, not 3. I parked on the 2nd which had several spots open. The 3rd and 4th levels were completely empty. Anyways, cant wait to see rendering for this project and see them built!

That area has no density. I can find more density out in the suburbs.

Has duck island ever been discussed for new urban housing? Its close to the West Side Market, West 25th Street, Ohio City, Tremont, and Downtown. And right by the Red Line Ohio City station. Plus there is a good amount of available land.

Im wondering if something like this would work. But lets say if the city/county had $400 Million, like they have for the Medical Mart/Convention Center. Instead of using the money to completely finance one project, could the city work with private developers in order to get things done. Maybe give a developer $100 Million as partial financing for the warehouse district. Maybe another $100 Million for something on Euclid Avenue. Keep breaking up the money, $50 Million here, $50 million there, etc. I feel like developers would jump on the opportunity to build in Cleveland, at essentially a discounted price.

Long-vacant Tops supermarket box in Cleveland gets restocked with a Save-A-Lot, Forman Mills CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Five years after Tops pulled out, the grocery store in Cleveland's Glenville-Forest Hills neighborhood sits empty - yet another vacant box. That's about to change, as real estate companies here and across the country seek creative ways to remake tired retail space. A developer expects to start construction Saturday on a $1.25 million makeover of the 65,000-square-foot building, at 11905 Superior Ave. http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2011/10/long-vacant_tops_supermarket_b.html

I do think a lot of the money the city spends could go to better things. I do like the euclid corridor project though. I dont have any problem with the city letting someone build in midtown. Midtown is not going to be a walkable area anytime soon. Or 24/7 like I said before. And jobs in the area will help foot traffic. We need to focus on our better neighborhoods first, such as downtown and University Circle which still aren't completely walkable and active areas 24/7. I dont agree necessarily with the remarks that projects like the West Shoreway Conversion will help tremendously and help neighborhoods boom, like Detroit Shoreway and Ohio City. Instead of investing in a road and hoping for the best, that $70 million(or whatever it is at now) could be directly invested into those neighborhoods to guarantee success. And like I said in another thread, Im not against the Medical Mart and Convention center in anyway. But imagine what that $400 Million could do for the warehouse district. Fill in those lots, add residents to downtown, new office space, as well as retail space. That would benefit the city far more that the medical mart and convention center could ever dream of doing.

Cleveland Lego contest: Show you love for C-Town with your own Lego creation Calling all Lego lovers! Lego's KidsFest will be in Cleveland on Friday-Sunday, Nov. 4-6 (go to legokidsfest.com for more information). In honor of the block-building extravaganza, we're inviting you to share your best Cleveland-centric creation. A replica of Tower City or Cleveland Browns Stadium, perhaps? Or maybe a guitar or a Lake Erie lighthouse? Whatever you choose, snap a picture of it and upload it to cleveland.com (directions below) or email it to [email protected] with Lego Contest in the subject, or you can mail a picture to Lego Contest, The Plain Dealer, 1801 Superior Ave., Cleveland, OH 44114. Be sure to include your name, hometown and phone number. http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2011/10/cleveland_lego_contest_show_yo.html TO VIEW SUBMISSIONS http://photos.cleveland.com/1812/gallery/cleveland_lego_contest/index.html

Cleveland's RTA head wants to cut monthly fares for college students CLEVELAND, Ohio -- RTA wants to expand efforts to cut the cost of bus-and-rail fares for college students. General Manager Joe Calabrese asked his board Tuesday to consider a program that would have RTA joining local colleges and institutes in subsidizing the cost of monthly fares. "Most importantly, it's a way to make college more affordable," said Calabrese, noting last week's launch of a compact between local governments and colleges to lift the county's education levels. http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/10/rta_heads_wants_to_cut_monthly.html