natininja

The official census shows a 10.4% drop vs. your 17.4% drop. The number of people unaccounted for in your 1950 boundary estimates for 2010 is about 5.6% of the incorporated city in 2000 and 6.2% in 2010. It seems very hard to believe that the exclusion of those people could lead to a 7% difference in changes. I'm willing to go along with your counts for general purposes but when you start making specific claims about impossible data, I won't buy it.

Admittedly, I was going on memory/perception. I stand corrected. I still think CWRU's reputation is much lower than CMU's, regardless of rankings. Maybe they offer a wider variety of subjects, too? I know CWRU's law school is well-regarded, but that's frankly all I think of when I hear the name of the school. UC ranks pretty low on national and international rankings. I'm not sure why it doesn't rank higher, since the programs I am familiar with are pretty strong nationally (not just DAAP programs). I know UC has an inclusionary policy which may be hurting their standings, but IMO make the school a better "corporate" citizen. If Miami were actually in city limits and not far outside the 275 loop, it would serve more like CMU as a multiplier on the perceived academic offerings of the city. CMU is closer to UPitt than XU is to UC, and they are in an urban area. The relationship is different on a lot of levels. What exists in Oxford is significant to the regional economy, but it's not really raising the perception of Cincinnati's academic credentials directly (unlike CMU does for Pittsburgh). I'd be interested to see the historic manufacturing numbers for these cities, as well as current an historic breakdowns by type. Manufacturing soap, e.g., is not exactly as "rustbelt" as manufacturing steel. I think what I'm getting at is that there can also be diversification in manufacturing, which there might be evidence for in Cincinnati given the lack of a major union culture. A bunch of smaller companies and facilities, with different products for different industries, rather than behemoths that make a major city into a "company town", leaving it vulnerable. Currently, that obviously doesn't apply to any of these cities, but the momentum is still there to contend with -- in both tangible and intangible ways. Whatever case you might make that Cincinnati's economy is like Cleveland's or Pittsburgh's, you will have to explain why Cincinnati's MSA never stopped growing, while Pittsburgh's and Cleveland's have been shrinking since the 50s/60s.

I wouldn't read too much into that since your numbers have some sort of error around this time period. Your 1950 boundary populations for Cincinnati in 1990 and 2000 are larger than the census's official numbers for the incorporated city.

Pittsburgh and Cleveland have rustbelt economies in common. Also the healthcare industry. Other than that, yeah, nothing. Pittsburgh has really capitalized on its universities, which Columbus and Cincinnati would have a much easier time replicating than Cleveland. And even still, Ohio simply doesn't have a Carnegie Mellon, and OSU and UC have a long way to go to reach the level of Pitt academically. I think perhaps Pittsburgh's best fortune has been to catch the eyes of the right people. Richard Florida has done a lot for the city just by beating the drum on its renaissance. He says it, people believe it, it becomes self-fulfilling.

That Columbus's core followed a similar trajectory as the other 3C cities? It's interesting because if you look at population numbers alone and don't control for annexing, you don't see the same pattern at all.

Way to go on sorting all this out...good stuff! :)

What on earth is the definition of city core here?

I was just wondering. I thought you might be making a distinction, which would be interesting if there were a difference.

Here is the phase map which might help. Combine that with this and you should have a good idea of when they are going to do what (not embedded due to screen stretching): http://mysmaleriverfrontpark.org/images/tour6-large.jpg

Is that not true in Cbus? (Or Cleveland?)

2LiveCarew, it's kind of hard because the urbanized areas are different. MSA comparison is definitely more fair, though. According to this, Cincy's count is at 15 as of 4/28. Was at 30 at this point last year, 14 in 2010. Currently ahead of Columbus by the per capita metric. https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/police/downloads/police_pdf43999.pdf I agree, though, I found out a couple years ago that Columbus was more dangerous than I had thought it was. I think the 3C's are actually quite comparable, violence-wise. Not equal, but similar. (Any attempt at ranking would start a pointless pissing contest.)

Given Cbus's population, 30 is equivalent to 11 for Cincy or 15 for Ctown, on a per capita level. Just for some perspective... (I know that's not exactly apples-to-apples.)

^ I'm not actually sure where OTR stops and Pendleton starts, but adding tracts 1, 9, 16, and 17 gives you the best census tract approximation of the extension of OTR. It extends above McMicken a little to the north, so the numbers are a little inflated. And if Pendleton starts at Main instead of Sycamore, you get a few extra blocks on the east as well. If you want to include Pendleton as part of OTR, add another 900 to this total. 1,437 + 1,652 + 1,487 + 1,488 = 6,064. http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map (StrapHanger just linked this.)

Looks like a huge improvement. That area is an embarrassment.

^ Maybe there aren't enough of them to stay high in the city's mind. With new sets in prominent locations, they might learn to maintain them everywhere. At any rate, I don't think the correct solution here is to accept that Cincinnati can't handle more attractive paving, but rather that steps should be taken to ensure better maintenance.

I believe her. This is a clear instance of racial profiling.

That's ugly. If they did it with pavers, it would be cool.

With OTR numbers you have to factor in the craziness of the decade. Starting with riots, then huge depopulation, followed by tons of development.

I could see a bikeshare working with bikes available at some parking garages (e.g. Washington Park), Fountain & Government Squares, the Banks, and a couple spots in Covington/Newport (e.g. Main Strasse, NPotL). Businesses on Vine and Main in OTR may want to sponsor outlets there, too.

On UrbanCincy there are some comments saying Winburn has become a streetcar supporter. Anyone know any details about this? http://www.urbancincy.com/2012/05/cincinnati-moves-forward-with-city-wide-complete-streets-initiative/

OMG I would love to see old folks rollerskating through my neighborhood.

More evidence Downtown is a dangerous hotbed of criminal activity: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120502/NEWS/305020048/Sexual-imposition-reported-near-Fountain-Square

I don't think it's a common occurrence, but it might become more of one, as local media seems to be stretched thin for resources. Why interview when you can just pull quotes from the Almighty Internet? Rather than being quoted, though, I wish they would use us for finding directions for research on topics. So much of the topics we breach never shows up in the media, and we are constantly debunking things that do. If some depth could be added to the mainstream conversation based on things found here, using us could be a positive resource. I don't know if the quotes they pulled added to the discourse or fueled the tendency of media sensationalism. If the latter, I don't know what the implications are that we should take away. I know sometimes the conversation goes in directions that would be poison if given the media treatment. For example, I would definitely prefer some of Eighth and State's more off-the-wall contrarianism not be given the news treatment. That stuff is much more suitable to staying in the forum setting where nuance and consensus are explicit.

They should give Jmeck a spot, with a jokester ColDayMan acting as a foil. They could invite on regular posters for discussion. Imagine Eighth & State and CincyCapell going at it during an hour long special dedicated to the 8-foot rule.

Probably the worst comment section I've ever read.