natininja

Using jargon that's obscure to anyone who's not an insider in an industry only marginally related to this forum is not a mark of sophistication. It's just intentionally or negligently being simultaneously cryptic and obtuse.

Is this an airline industry forum, though? Didn't think so. I guess the answer to my question is "industry insiders," but it's not relevant enough to anyone else to merit the idea that these things should be general knowledge, which is my point. You're right it's not sh!t to industry insiders, but to everyone else it is trivia.

How about we make a rule to use full names when abbrv.'s aren't obvious (excluding anything specifically Ohio related, like CMH/CVG which if we don't know we should). I immediately though WN was a typo for NW, therefore Delta. Who the hell has time to learn this IATA ICAO sh!t?

ROI can come from numerous sources, in this case. These will be relatively upscale housing units, taking up little space, in an area they're likely to be in high demand. 300 units, each with a value similar to a house in a neighborhood like Hyde Park or the Clifton Gaslight District. You'd have trouble fitting that many houses in those places, and if you could you'd have trouble finding that many occupants. Plus the amount of infrastructure necessary to support that many houses is much higher, so the associated costs are also much higher. Having new construction, plus an urban grocery store, plus the increase in vibrancy from having hundreds more people Downtown on a daily basis, makes Cincinnati a more attractive place to potential new residents or even visitors. It raises the profile of the city in the eyes of people who probably would never see the results of an equivalent number of housing units built outside the Downtown area. Hence it adds to the synergy of other investments in the urban core, which have already led to regional and national attention. Having more residents in the city, and in particular more higher income residents, means a return via tax dollars. More value from existing infrastructure means less expenditures. Any tourists coming to the city due to the synergy this project will be a part of brings money to the area. This project alone is important (lots of residential units in an in-demand location, plus the grocery tenant), but happening in conjunction with all the other projects going on is what really makes it valuable. It adds value to the streetcar, to Smale Park, to the restaurants where the residents will dine, the shops they'll use, etc. Cincy has been draining population, the region has been stagnant, for years. That's not destiny, and this is the type of project proven elsewhere to elevate a city's profile and capture economic growth. Remember, this replaces a garage that would need expensive rehab and the deadspace Tower Place Mall. It's a high profile location that'll be lively instead of wasted space. All for not much more money than it would be to fix up the deteriorating garage.

I figured as much, which is why I pointed out that what you were saying sounded like an endorsement of emo, since the emo bands were playing on vintage equipment without a hint of the reserve you criticize the proto-hipster bands for. I don't think the proto-hopster classification is totally fair, though. I don't know what type of equipment various bands were using, but a lot of them were getting "outrageous" with what they did have (unless I'm misinterpreting the definition...I'm thinking "rocking out"). e.g.:

I have a hunch Jim Koch is into the Brewery District idea and wants to open a taproom. He was a pioneer in the craft beer industry, is a native Cincinnatian (with implicit respect for the city and its brewing heritage, given the location of his brewery). I've heard he has always been pretty encouraging of other small time breweries. Is it a coincidence this investment is coming at the same time as Rhinegeist opening, Moerlein's taproom opening, the Brewery District Master Plan being implemented, the streetcar coming right by his brewery...etc... I don't think so. All that has to be on his radar. (Then again, craft beer is more popular than ever, and they could just be increasing production accordingly.) It would be good to have an internationally recognizable brewery for people to visit. Even if it is "Boston beer."

It's often true. Think about how many bands, after getting big, release recordings made prior to the first album that everyone loves. Very often, it sounds like sh!t. You have to be a big fan of the band to get into distilling that skill they later honed.

I agree, but I think Camp Washington is poised to benefit from this before the West End. Especially when you consider the West End is likely to redevelop from OTR overflow, versus Camp Washington likely to redevelop from Northside overflow. Northside hipsters are more likely to embrace the aesthetic than OTR yupsters. Additionally, I think CW doesn't suffer from the levels of crime the West End does, and (while WE does have a lot of vacant lots) you can get further in CW before worrying about displacement of lower income residents.

^ Fair enough, maybe the administration could have found a better locally-owned business to represent local culture (as opposed to Holy Grail, which is great but it is generic), or maybe not, but it doesn't excuse WLW throwing meat to the racist sharktank for ratings. It's no wonder there weren't a ton of African-American entrepreneurs jumping at the chance to open a business at the Banks, when you have a culture that allows WLW to pander to bigots. Who wouldn't want to leave?

But, like PAlexander said, there have certainly been many more investments the city "should have known" would not have turned out well (like maybe Bootsy's) but never received the same level of scrutiny and media attention. Choosing a minority business was not simply an act of charity, but to enrich the culture of the Banks. But WLW wants to say "Seeeee? Affirmative action is holding the white man who should have received that money down." If there were another black-run, black-culture-themed business in the running for that money and that spot, one with a better financial record, maybe they would have won over Mahogany's. But it was a gamble, in an attempt to make the Banks a higher-quality spot. And we'll never know for sure the extent to which the initial demonization led to the business failing. It would be naive to say there was no effect.

^ In the context of the era, it sounds like you're praising emo. Because those were the guys doing what you're prescribing. Edit: So were the third-wave ska kids.

Just like the streetcar received outsized attention because it became a proxy for contempt towards "liberal elites," or whatever that bogeyman was, Mahogany's has received outsized attention as a proxy for contempt towards blacks. Plain and simple. It's amazing to me that people who saw the streetcar venom for what it was cannot see this. Every investment is a risk; you're bound to lose some. If this is the worst investment the city has made since whenever the last time was people were making such a fuss, I'd say it's a sign the city has done a pretty damn good job with recent investments. How about making that the story?

Does the beard continue to fill in through your 30s? Mine is respectable, but it's not what it could be. I'd be cool with it filling in a bit more, but it's not something I've been expecting.

I think the broader point here is we should not be worried about Cranley, but about many more Cranleys, or someone worse than Cranley. Or many more Mallorys or someone better than Mallory. Point is we don't know, and given that info, what kind of system do we want? Clearly Smitherman has amnesia, given his soapbox re: Mallory exercising too much power. It would be funny if this were on the ballot at the same time as a Cranley recall and they both won.

Was "loading zones" really the reason? That's pathetic.

What did they sell?

You're probably right, though the fact it was attempted at all shows how lowbrow the conversation has gone. And the extent to which local media is willing to elevate anything COAST says to mainstream discourse. I bet we could find more people who think the country is run by reptilian shape-shifters. Where's the WCPO story?

Unless their methodology has a gaping hole, 87% by a single poll means there's huge support.

If Mahogany's is indicative of anything it's that WLW is petty and racist.

It's different in that it includes residential and office uses. If it weren't for the enormous moat of parking around it, it'd actually be urban. It is therefore adaptable to changing circumstances, as it could grow into its own parking lot.

Hell yes! Ha how about we add another race to the flying pig...outrun the streetcar! He'd get the medal everytime. :) If you're referring to Barry Horstman, he's dead.

OH Snap!

It's been a couple months since the streetcar victory. It only seems like a bigger victory now than it did then. I really think that was a pivotal moment in the city's history. Think about how many people would be ready to throw in the towel and get out of the city. Think about the many more who would remain but feel like they had no political agency after such a crushing and illogical defeat. It's kept the optimism alive that we've got something going here. That is priceless.

It would be pretty easy to control how many times and for how long someone could adjust their parking time via cellphone. Like maybe you can only use that option to pay up to the difference between the max parking meter time and the time you initially paid (so if you pay an hour on a 2-hr meter, but you need more time, you can pay for a half hour or another hour, to get up to the 2 hr max). Once you've hit the limit, it won't accept payment from the same phone, or even not until the car is moved. I know when I park at a meter and go out to eat, I try to guess how long it will take me to eat and get back to the car, and I undershoot it. Sometimes this results in a lengthy walk to the meter and back to the restaurant. Which really sucks if you're in the middle of a meal.

Living at home & commuting is likely to leave you with more disposable income, not less. That's why most kids do it, after all. I can't think of any 18-22 year-olds I've known who wanted to live with their folks. Are there really Miami students without cars?