Clevelander17

Funny, I was having that conversation with a friend just last week. I have no problem with the Cavs winning a title against a team that has some injuries. I'd just prefer it be someone like Klay Thompson so that their best player (Curry) would be on the floor when the loss happened and it would be analogous to last year for the Cavs.

That's correct. Maple Heights would be the next highest on the list, IMO. I would list Bedford, Bedford Heights, Euclid, Garfield Heights, North Randall, Highland Hills, and Warrensville Heights as suburbs that are all facing significant challenges and could potentially head in the direction of East Cleveland, but each of them also have some assets and potential that, with the right leadership, could help them avoid going down that path and turn things around. But each needs to find a way to stabilize finances, including becoming involved in more regional partnerships. In fact, North Randall, Highland Hills, and Warrensville Heights should have merged years ago.

Which isn't really the state of Ohio's doing. Disagree. Much of the subsidizing of suburban growth in recent decades has directly and indirectly devastated communities like East Cleveland. You aren't blaming the loss of industrial jobs in East Cleveland? GE shuttered two major plants in the city - one recently demolished, the other long mothballed. Instead of opening factories in the states, they ship it to Mexico and China. Or the corruption in the city government? Or the corruption in the police force? I mean, the city pulls $500,000 in illegal tickets through its traffic signal and speed cameras - and if the city loses its appeals (which is very likely), then it will have to pay back all of the ticket revenue and interest. That will bankrupt the city. Sure, that's part of it, but these are all relatively recent developments. East Cleveland has been struggling for decades, and there are several other similar communities in Northeast Ohio that are not far off from facing the same significant problems as East Cleveland.

Which isn't really the state of Ohio's doing. Disagree. Much of the subsidizing of suburban growth in recent decades has directly and indirectly devastated communities like East Cleveland.

Just a disappointing end to a season that many thought had the potential to be really special.

One step at a time, but I have my doubts about this possibility. That land over there is questionable AND word is that Walmart is sitting on its lease and is refusing to give it up. However the city should be working hard to now follow through on their plans to extend Transportation Boulevard to Rockside Road. This isn't that spot. This is across 480 from there. Re-read that line of discussion. My response was skepticism towards the suggest possibility of this outlet project spurring development south of 480 (location of the current Giant Eagle).

One step at a time, but I have my doubts about this possibility. That land over there is questionable AND word is that Walmart is sitting on its lease and is refusing to give it up. However the city should be working hard to now follow through on their plans to extend Transportation Boulevard to Rockside Road.

Probably suits the area better than IKEA would. Care to elaborate? In theory, both should/would be region-wide draws.

The inconsistency of this team has been frustrating. Tomorrow's game at home against Iowa is probably their last best chance to make a statement, because they're not beating Sparty in East Lansing.

A map of the site, my recollection is that the acreage is enough for Ikea: http://www.garfieldhts.org/userfiles/file/economicdevelopment/OutletsOfCleveland.pdf I have no idea what's going on with the Outlet Malls. Probably never going to happen, but whoever owns it should do something to ensure that this prime piece of realty can be developed. And the extension of Transportation Boulevard to Rockside Road would need to be part of the plan.

I've mentioned this site several times now. I think would be perfect.

And even worse, they are using large chunks of that fortune to actively protect their wealth, enrich themselves further, and destroy the middle class through influencing public policy.

I was always convinced that he was behind the proposal, but maybe this is why I got that impression. Regardless, I have to admit that I was wrong about his tactics during this Presidential run. I thought he would need to go batcrap conservative crazy to be competitive, but he sounds like the only adult on the stage during debates. That's admirable, but that SB5 thing, whether it was his idea or not, has permanently alienated me from him. He got my vote in 2010, but I'll never vote for him again.

Interesting because I thought townships usually got police services through the county.

That map corresponds almost perfectly with what my dream merged Cleveland would look like, including those northern Summit County suburbs. Obviously I'd also include the white areas as well, but also the areas that make up old Willoughby Township and western Geauga County.

Washington D.C. thrives because of that exact scenario. I'd trade every single private business in Cleveland for even a quarter of the Federal government institutions in our nation's capital. That city is as close to being recession-proof as you'll find anywhere. As for your other point, this list is hard to decipher based on how it's written, but I'm not seeing anything here that changes my opinion: https://development.ohio.gov/files/research/B2001.pdf You're not really wrong*, but these institutions and others like it are traditionally located within city limits no matter what region. And they're less likely to react to increases in taxes or other local policies that may be difficult on their employees. *The Cleveland Clinic's main campus is growing literally by the day. They may have some offices elsewhere, but they're deeply invested in the city and my suspicion is that the overall number of employees grows as the campus itself does. I love it when people make posts like these yet offer no real retort. I'll stand by my original argument: City leaders should do everything in their power (like raising income taxes) to nickel and dime nonresidents as long as regional cooperation is being stymied and consider more drastic options if this situation persists.

Yeah Columbus instantly comes to mind when I think of water-system based annexations. Too bad Cleveland leaders couldn't have figured that out, too.

First of all, as you can see above, it's not "some," it's almost all of the region's largest employers and sports/cultural attractions. Second of all, no, I'm saying that if I were in charge I would keep this in my back pocket as the nuclear option if/when talks of regionalization and mergers stalled. However this 2.5% income tax rate, which many will complain about, is a natural reaction to the inequities that exist in this region due to fragmentation. I'm just suggesting that if does not cover budget shortfalls or leads to businesses leaving town for the leechburbs, other options exist.

Let's make a list: Cleveland Clinic MetroHealth University Hospital KeyBank Cleveland Browns Cleveland Cavaliers Cleveland Indians Cleveland Museum of Art Cleveland Orchestra Westside Market Cuyahoga County Headquarters State of Ohio U.S. Office of Personnel Management (i.e. Federal Government) Horseshoe Casino When you start making a list of significant employers and institutions that will never leave Cleveland proper for the suburbs, you'll see that what I mean. Besides, most of the largest private businesses that could have left Cleveland's city limits already have. I could see some of the above institutions moving some of their operations outward, but every one on that list has to or will want to keep the majority of their operations within the actual City of Cleveland. Which means visitors and employees that have to come into the city, pay city income taxes, etc. on a daily basis. edit: Just to further drive home the point, only one Fortune 500 company remains within the city limits: http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2015/06/7_northeast_ohio_companies_made_this_years_fortune_500_photos.html

Looks like a nice arena in a terrible location. Personally I enjoy stepping outside of The Q after a game, having a few beers at one of the local bars, and riding the RTA back home. Regardless, none of these sports teams are leaving the city limits anytime soon unless it's for another region. Like I said, many of these institutions are "Cleveland or nothing." Yes, but also county, state, and Federal agencies have a significant majority of their institutions located within city limits. Unlike private businesses that might threaten to move and actually follow through because of increased income taxes, these institutions probably would not.

Some can't leave the City...but many can...and already have or will in the future. The irony of that view is that the more you burden those who can choose where to locate, the more financial pressure you will come under due to lost revenues...which leads to more totalitarian revenue collecting...which chooses more people to relocate and so on (and the death spiral continues). Except there is no "Cleveland or nothing" for the vast majority of people. It's "Cleveland or pretty much anywhere else including the suburbs" The vast majority of people in the region have no problem going for the latter. Do you honestly think that will end up with Cleveland coming out on top? EDIT: I'm sending my new slogan ideas to Destination Cleveland: "Cleveland: For Those That Have To." or "Cleveland, If You Must" or "Cleveland: When There's Only One Option." And...you missed the point. Of course individuals have options. Large institutions, for a variety of reasons, do not. And any individuals that want to or need to visit these institutions will have to come to the central city. I don't foresee that changing anytime soon. Of course this is not the most desirable outcome. But until the leechburbs decide that sharing resources or even merging is in their best interest, their residents have no leg to stand on to complain when Cleveland must raise income taxes to astronomical levels.

Ohio City did come to mind, but yes you're right that was 18th century. I wonder how our region overall might be different if that merger had never happened and we had our own version of "twin cities." I suppose the east-west rivalry would be much more amplified.

Collinwood, Glenville, Miles Heights, etc. were all independent at one point that I know of that were annexed in the early 20th century. Now that's not to say that these weren't reluctant annexations, but Cleveland definitely pulled in quite a few surrounding municipalities.

Of course it would, you're forgetting about all of the employees and operations that can't or won't leave the city, and other events held in the city that would never be held in the suburbs. Many things happen within the city limits that would never, ever happen anywhere else the region. Museums, sports, government institutions, etc., etc. Forget steel mills and ports, the Cavs aren't moving to Beachwood, Federal offices aren't moving to Beachwood, courts aren't moving to Beachwood, the Cleveland Museum of Art isn't moving to Beachwood. Make it painful, make it scorched Earth, make it a civil war. Cleveland or nothing.

Mutual assistance agreements may already be in place, but still don't go far enough. As for the second part of your statement, in regards to this conversation I think it's a red herring.