Clevelander17

If there was ever a list that so aptly fits the description of the title of this thread, this is it.

I would be curious to see if there are some numbers to back up this claim either way. Because it certainly feels like there is an overabundance of retail/abandoned space in the inner- and second-ring eastside suburbs. Regardless, there is a dearth of retail in the Chagrin Valley and plenty of potential land on which to build a new lifestyle center with all of the upscale stores that Northeast Ohio is supposedly lacking. Maybe these developers need to look elsewhere.

I didn't quote you, though, I quoted the guy that definitively said it was alphabetized.

What other notable owners have been inducted into the Hall of Fame and what have they done to deserve it? I wasn't mad yesterday morning after initially hearing of his passing, but as the day went on and I became more and more exposed to the national media's take on his career, my anger began to rise a bit. There's certainly a lot of revisionist history floating around out there right now regard Modell and in particular the circumstances surrounding the move.

I'm torn on this. Maybe it's because I was too young at the time to fully understand the implications of the move. Or maybe it's because the Browns have always been my third favorite professional sports franchise. But either way, I don't have the burning hate in my heart for Modell that others in this town seem to have. I don't like Modell and I don't respect what he did and how it has affected football in Cleveland to this very day. But I'm not celebrating his passing. By all accounts, he was a good person who made a very bad business decision (one that broke a lot of hearts).

Also known as a "balconet" or "Juliet balcony."

HHW may or may not be in a down year, however Walsh definitely is struggling this year. They were smoked by rival St. Vincent-St. Mary. I wouldn't read too much into CMcK yet.

Not a bad start to the season.

Glenville knocks off Solon in one of last night's premier matchups. The Tarblooders will be in good shape for a playoff spot if they can run the table in the Senate League as they usually do.

Nice posts biker16. I said it earlier in the thread and I still think that the locations of the RTA station and the parking garage probably should have been switched.

Game day...LET'S GO BUCKEYES!

Where did you hear that? And what nearby location would they move to? I can only think of one that really fits that description.

The lights can be long sometimes. I don't think it's a huge problem, particularly coming from the north side of campus, but I would still like to see something done to unify things a bit more.

I don't know if the northern part of campus is safer, I don't pay that close attention to the crime statistics or bulletins. In regards to closing streets off, if that's not an option, they should at least try to do some things to slow down the traffic along Prospect and even Chester. I know that the speed limit on those streets in the campus area is 25 mph, but people usually drive much faster when they can. With the new developments and retail, maybe including some street parking (like you see along Coventry or Mayfield in Littly Italy) would make it easier for pedestrians and force drivers to slow down a bit, while also giving the campus a more unified feel.

By safer I'm really referring to dodging car (or bus) traffic when walking from the garage to campus--especially if in a hurry. That's part of the reason why I'd kind of like to see Prospect (and potentially Chester, as well) closed off roughly from 24th to 18th. I also do think that the safety (crime) of the South Garage campus area will improve if/when CSU starts developing that area further for daily campus activities. As of right now most of the campus action is between Euclid and Chester, so the areas between Carnegie and Euclid are a bit disjointed from the main part of campus.

The Concord has come off as kind of dumpy to me from what I've seen in my few visits. I mean it's not terrible, but I do think you can do better location-wise and quality-wise.

The distance of the walk isn't really the problem. It's the safety along that walk that I think is being overlooked. Hopefully the rumor of another parking garage at that location turns out to be true.

Phoenix?

Here's the thing, you've said that you believe that the property is going to eventually be developed regardless of whether or not some developer is given an abatement. I tend to agree with that being a very likely scenario. So what I'm saying is that if the amount of tax coming from that property is less than it potential could or should be, the difference will be made up in other ways, particularly future taxes that are levied on residential elsewhere properties in all three of the district's constituent cities. I realize that this is a bit of an assumption, but I don't think it's a huge stretch. That's what I mean by saying that other city's residents will also be funding this abatement. FYI, I'd say that I'm a supporter of the school district and even University Heights' place in it. Maybe a few years back I had some negative views of the district, and perhaps I still do on certain issues, but after some more recent personal experiences in one of the middle schools, I have a lot of optimism for the future of the district, particularly if those in charge make the right decisions. My concern with tax abatements is a more general dislike of the law and the process. No I don't like what could be potentially happening in this situation, but as I've stated above, there have been much more egregious examples in this and other school districts, particularly those that encompass more than one community.

I really think the PD is wrong there. They do mention about Riverside having 1,949 students but it being 8-12. Isn't Mayfield also 8-12? I would bet the 2,200 includes 8th graders. The OHSAA enrollment numbers show 1,074 total students in grades 9-11, so 2,200 actually still seems high if you include 8th graders. EDIT: The ODE report card for Mayfield High School says 1,995 students for the entire school, which is grades 8-12. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/2010-2011/BUILD/023325.pdf Nice work, somewhere in the deep recesses of my brain I was aware that Mayfield High School was 8th-12th. Orange also used to be 8th-12th, but I'm not sure that's the case anymore. Other than that and the one you mentioned, I can't think of many other 8th-12th schools in NEO. It's a bit of an odd grade configuration for high school. Mentor used to be 10th-12th but I'm fairly certain it's moved to the more standard 9th-12th. There don't seem to be a lot of 10th-12th schools around anymore, either.

It's a meaningless gesture as you implied. If the school board votes it down, CH city council is almost certainly going to approve it regardless, enforcing its will on the school district and ~15,000 citizens to whom they have no responsibility. This is essentially would SE did in attempting to wipe the egg (or perhaps another substance) off of their faces with Cedar Center and points to the bigger problem of tax abatements and multi-municipality school districts. If CH wants to play the role of landlord/developer then I think it should be funded by CH residents, not the residents of other cities.

Didn't you just say up-thread that that property was going to be developed either way? If so, is it absolutely necessary to hand out a tax abatement for an inevitability? As a general rule, I don't like tax abatements. I particularly don't like the fact that cities get to make the decision on something that primarily affects the local school district's revenue stream. And in this case, we're talking about a school district that is shared by 2.1 cities, with only one of those cities involved in the decision-making process. This is exactly why I had a big problem with the Cedar Center North tax abatement, although in fairness that situation was significantly worse all the way around. I would like to see development on that plot of land, I think it makes a lot of sense, but I'm not sure that a tax abatement is entirely necessary. Also, do you (or anyone else) know what is slated to be built on Mayfield Road just south of Lee? I'm going by memory here, but there's a now empty lot (building was torn down a month or two back) just next to the self-serve car wash place and I've yet to see any kind of sign of what's planned for that lot.

A healthy mix of residents and commuters is probably the best case and most realistic scenario for CSU. I understand what the University is trying to do, and I don't necessarily disagree with it, I just wish it were being handled better, that's all. And I assure you that I'm not the only one who feels like they haven't been handling it in the best manner possible. I just think the idea that the University can, should, or will be primarily residential (at any cost) in the near future is unrealistic. In regards to actual development ideas, I think it's essential that the University work with the city to create more of a campus feel, and that includes closing off one or two of the main thoroughfares (Prospect or Chester) that cut the campus into pieces. This has been discussed before, but I think it needs to take a more prominent role in the discussion. The University also needs better outdoor recreational fields for all of the residential students it's hoping to attract. The rec center itself is a gem, but I think they need more than Krenzler for the potential growth of outdoor intramurals (i.e. softball) that should happen with more students living on campus.

Watterson is from Chagrin Falls and I'd recognize that popcorn shop almost anymore!

And they also use only three grades (9th-11th from the previous year, I believe). But even adjusting for that, the NCES appears to have inflated numbers for Mayfield and deflated numbers for Lorain.