Brutus_buckeye

Cant vote for Aftab. Dislike Chabot, but cant vote for Aftab.

People want a perfect house today. They do not want to be bothered with renovations, even painting a house. There is a lot more kicking of the tires going on before some of the newer first time home buyers get realistic as to what they can get in the market.

The rail system in Cleveland is nice however, it does not serve and cannot serve the market effectively. It does a good job connecting Case and the Universities to the airport and downtown which is a key job center but the average worker is not living along the line. Their jobs tend to be n the warehouses in the burbs like Independence, etc. or they may work at Case or Hopkins or the Clinic but they live in Strongsville or Medina so the rail is not really an option for them (whereas busses will be). The people who live along the Rapid line tend to be higher end properties and are not adequately serving those who have to rely solely on public transportation. That being said, there is definitely a benefit for a limited rail line connecting a few key job centers, but bussing is probably the most efficient way to grow a public transportation service for a spread out region.

Also, really P&G would not be a great fit because most of their employees would not likely use the public transportation to get to and from work. You want places that have a lot of employees/customers/etc. coming there during the day. Where the average employee earns in the 60k or less range and would benefit from having public transportation nearby and accessible. It should serve the suburbs to bring people to the job centers. To me, hospitals, airports, universities, Citi or Fidelity who have a large campus of employees. I don't think this is true at all. In Philadelphia, their regional rail system has 132,000 daily riders. Those riders have, on average, higher incomes and more education than the region as a whole. They tend to be highly-educated white collar workers. When Comcast built their second skyscraper next door to their main HQ they included an underground connection to the rail station because they know that their employees value that amenity. We're not talking about buses here, the demographics are completely different. Busses have to play a big part of the transportation in any system. Rail can only get close to so many people. Busses need to fill the gap. The key is a system that actually can get people too and from their place of employment efficiently both well to do or poor. If you serve the people who need transportation as their only option first, then the rest will follow.

Places like Findlay Market are too small. Also, really P&G would not be a great fit because most of their employees would not likely use the public transportation to get to and from work. You want places that have a lot of employees/customers/etc. coming there during the day. Where the average employee earns in the 60k or less range and would benefit from having public transportation nearby and accessible. It should serve the suburbs to bring people to the job centers. To me, hospitals, airports, universities, Citi or Fidelity who have a large campus of employees. People don't take buses because they don't go where people need them at the right times. If you make it convenient, people will use it. The companies that want it the most may be willing to kick in to pay for it, however, we have to offer them something more than just a thank you for donating, they need to get the sponsorship of the line or other benefits.

^ Who are the key providers in the area who could directly benefit from the transit (as more potential employees could use it) and have the heft to do something about it? UC, Xavier, Childrens, UC Health, Christ Hosp, NIOSH, Kroger, P&G, 5/3, NKU, CVG, Citibank, City of Cincy, Covington, Newport, etc. IF they are directly on the line, could these groups cobble together maybe 1/3 of the cost to get the ball moving on it. THen you can supplement from potential available grants and maybe then talk about a sales tax or something to plug the holes.

^ Maybe Southwest will pick up that route

^ Universities and hospitals could lead the way. Heck UC has over a billion dollar endowment, a Light Rail line connecting people to the Clifton job hub center would strongly be in their interest to help fund, and it is not like they haven't shown that they know how to raise such money. Same with Xavier to a lesser extent.

THis is a good analysis https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95789/five-interesting-discoveries-in-ohio-states-release-of-documents-related-to-the-zach-smith-and-urban-meyer

On a serious note, how hard/reasonable would it be for some of the largest job providers in the area to pretty much underwrite the system for corporate sponsorships. For example UC & UC Health could have Busses or LRT painted their colors, P&G or Kroger could paint one in their colors, CVG could sponsor a line, etc. I know it wont cure all the transit ills, but if you get the businesses who will be the largest benefactors to provide the money to get a better system started, and they can show the ROI and benefit to their company for doing so, maybe it could work. It would be like 3CDC tackling the transit system. Yes, there would be a very corporatized system but it is the tradeoff to have something that serves the region much better and gets people who need it too and from jobs in a more efficient manner.

Wish it were a little taller

^ probably none since Nashville is not a major connection airport. If anything the connections were people from Nashville connecting through Cincinnati.

^I understand what you are saying, and we will probably have to agree to disagree on this. My post did not really have anything to do with OSU or Meyer in particular, but solely when it came to managing the message. I was looking at it solely from the fact that there was a 25 page report loaded with details and information and you want to make sure that the details you want to get out are at least given the attention of the media (especially when there are a ton of media covering the story) You want their undivided attention and you do not want them distracted. If you were leading the press conference, you would probably lead with "I am sorry, we screwed up, this is unacceptable and we will punish severely the people who let this happen and that they have been disassociated with the program going forward". You want people paying attention to this instead of parsing through the report and focusing on the minutiae in the report. THis way your message gets delivered stronger instead of being clouded by dozens of different reports

Maybe with the increased investment it will help them do both down the line. It is not maybe your first choice but could be a win win for everyone in the long run.

That's cute that you think the theme of the presser was "I'm sorry" / "I messed up." The rest of us live in reality where that didn't happen. That is cute that you don't read the post close enough to get the point. I never said that was the theme of the presser. I was giving a reason why you want to control the narrative first before releasing the report to the general public. But go ahead and keep creating your false narratives.

^ The NCAA is a complete irrelevant issue to the Urban Meyer thing. In 2010 the NCAA was a lot more powerful anyway and also, this does not even touch on an NCAA matter (no student was involved, no NCAA rule broken, did not happen on campus, etc. etc. etc.) This is a big story because you have a carpetbagging media who comes to town, creates a story to fit into a national narrative and then runs with it. They don't care about the ramifications and who they hurt by it. They leave victims in their wake and hurt people and families by it. Then when the story is over and run its course, they move on to the next big thing. They used Courtney Smith in this situation and now that this is over, they left her in a much worse place then where she was before they came in at the beginning. It is a shame

^ BelieveLand[/member] Time to step back away from the cliff here, or away from the Mt. Dew and assess why that is important to frame it first. You can say "We screwed up" or "we were 100% wrong" if that is the narrative you want to have people focus on. That is perfectly fine. But you want to make sure your narrative is the first thing heard. if you release the report first, people start their own narratives and dissecting it and pulling out details that are not necessarily appropriate to the issue at hand. For example, by release the report you will could have the narrative that "Urban tried to erase his text messages" or "Zach Smith dropped out of rehab after 4 days and returned to the team" While those are details in the case, they should not overshadow the main narrative of "I'm Sorry" or "I messed up" if that is the detail you wish to lead on. You don't want to have to address 40 other issues that are not central to the main theme, which is I'M Sorry. It is called managing the situation. It is not PR Spin, but it is how you manage a situation where you have the potential to have 1000 different stories from each individual reporter. You keep it under the bigger umbrella.

I would not release the report ahead of the press conference. You want to be able to frame the discussion first. It is never a good idea to release it first.

The media narrative will die down and people will move on to other things. The Maryland case is a much bigger deal than this really is. Someone died there, it occurred on campus and under the control and guidance of organized team activities. Let's put some things in perspective here.

I am not too familiar with her role at OSU. What exactly did she do? I know she was a nurse by training but I did not think she practiced much anymore.

^ You would have to think there is an investigation into her activities or that it was just complete. My guess is that the Meyer thing will die down in a few weeks and then a reporter will dig into the matter to find that Shelley is no longer an employee at Ohio State due to her failure to properly report. It will be a minor blip and essentially be nothing more than a housecleaning matter. Given her role, a press release would not be warranted for such a matter and the news will likely be buried.

Is it harsh yes, Is it PC of course not. But it certainly is a legitimate question.

Not saying that is her motive, but it is a legitimate issue to raise. It is a tough situation and you have to be willing to ask the tough questions and not p*sseyfoot around things because of sensitivity

^ the report also stated that he was often late reimbursing the school for cell phone bills and other related personal expenses along with always being late on paying his credit cards. The interesting thing is that they are both going to have to take a huge step down in standard of living given whatever job he gets will not pay anywhere near what WR coach at OSU paid. How prepared is she for this? Also, could it be argued that her talking to the media was the result of trying to get back at the coach her fired her ex, thus ending her gravy train.

I always hated Smith and every year I was anxiously awaiting his termination every year because he was a horrible coach, and just seemed like an a$$ of a person. All the SHit talking he did with other assistant coaches on the trail and constantly getting into it on Twitter was poor form. He was a good recruiter but did nothing with the talent he coached. He should have been canned after 2013 and def after the 2016 Clemson loss