Brutus_buckeye

He's not going to stop; none of them do. They think beating is what keeps the female around not realizing it's their built-in verbal manipulation that does. All of these POSes are "smooth", which a defense mechanism one can only develop by having major problems. Very true, especially since his past behavior has indicated it is not a one time incident. However, my punishment philosophy differs from the mob justice that much of society has today. You remove people who are a consistent problem and are not able to be rehabilitated and you teach those who can be rehabilitated and put measures in to prevent it from happening again. It is always easier to do train and educate than hire someone new and risk the same mistake being made over and over again. In this case, given Smith's past propensity for domestic violence, he should have been removed as he was. He had enough chances to do the right thing and has shown he is not able to do the right thing. His coaching career is over. As for Meyer, this is a teachable moment for him and he can be trained into how to act appropriately in the future. He should be given zero tolerance in dealing with these issues in the future and if he messes up, it would be immediate termination. The difference is that Meyer is teachable whereas Smith cannot.

totally agree. however, its clear these two have been at each others throats off and on for many years in their relationship and meyer did nothing. why keep someone like that around? its playing with fire for your program and just plain dumb at best. sadly its not even just meyers fault, what about the ad? ugh what a predicament osu is in now. The other thing to keep in mind is whether the family is better off having him removed from his job and blackballed from coaching over the domestic, private, matter. Divorce is difficult enough on families as is, punishing Smith, by removing him from his job harms his children even more because it takes them out of the lifestyle they were used to in forces them into a rough situation. Now, true, this happens to a lot of families of more limited means who go through divorce, but does blackballing him from a career really help things? What benefit stands to be gained from this? Don't do it again? I think either he learned that lesson by now or not. Not only will your career be ruined but so will the lives of your children? I am not sure this is best

You don't excuse the victim. Even though it may be emotionally difficult, if it is important, the victim has a duty to do what is right.

https://www.law360.com/articles/1066924 Interesting article on the IRS cracking down on Coinbase and going after their subscribers for tax evasion and failing to properly report their gains. There is a lot of gray area out there but many crypto investors treat it like currency instead of property and may run afoul with the tax laws for doing so.

The one issue I have of these matters, is that while they are bad, they almost become like a Good Samaritan clause. I believe in doing the right thing, but I do not think the law or contract should obligate this because there are often so many intangibles that are there which are not black and white. It sounds like Meyer is going to take a fall on this but it is a shame in my opinion.

The one thing we must keep in mind is everyone deserves their due process before we cast judgment upon them.

You are trying to have the wrong source NCAA imply the penalty. This was not saying something did not horribly go wrong at Penn State but only saying it was not the NCAA's place to act. It was the responsibility of other parties. It is like saying the police did not do their job on punishing a DUI offender so instead we are going to have the IRS level penalties in the name of justice. It does not work like that

Tressel was fired for far, far less. Additionally, he made a denial last week Tressel denied it (lied) to the NCAA. Lying to the press isn't a NCAA offense as far as I know. It's bad. For any normal high-ranking official, executive, coach, he's probably gone. But OSU fb is a borderline cult, so... Also, the goalposts on "fireable" have shifted massively since 2011. It would be a bad precedent to fire him over a mob mentality here. This is not anything near Penn State or Tressel. 1) the situation involved 2 consenting adults in a domestic dispute. "Consenting" might be a bit of a stretch here. Failure to report to the police is not consent. It might be very relevant for the significance of the issue for Meyer, but it is not consent. I agree with this, but only up to a point. Yes, the fact that no police report was filed means that the official record gives Meyer no reason to know whether it was just a married couple having a regular marital fight, or if it had risen to the level of criminal domestic abuse. But there are suggestions here that things went further than that. I draw a line between not saying something yourself and actively discouraging someone else from saying something. Meyer is not a lawyer. If I were in Meyer's place, I do not think I'd have gone straight to the police myself. I do not even know if I'd have encouraged Courtney Smith to go straight to the police herself, just based on text messages. My first reaction is that I would have told her to talk to a lawyer. Even as a lawyer myself, I'd be telling her to talk to a different lawyer, because I know next to zero about either criminal law or domestic relations law. And honestly, considering Meyer's millions and the stake he should have had in this, I'd have offered to pay for that lawyer myself if she was in a position where she wouldn't or couldn't use her own account (or, perhaps more seriously, one she shared with her alleged abuser) to pay for that lawyer. And above all else, I would never ask any friends or surrogates to discourage reporting, if she was inclined to go straight to the police. (To clarify: My issue with going straight to the police is that if the police investigated but felt there was not sufficient evidence to charge, there'd be a risk of retaliation from the abuser if there really was something there, just with insufficient evidence.) Shelley Meyer is a nurse and obviously a friend of Courtney's, so I can understand that Courtney went there first. But this isn't something that should just involve talking to a nurse and/or talking to a friend. If Meyer simply didn't know, I'm willing to say he should not be fired based on "should have known" principles. If he did know but didn't know the seriousness until recently when he fired Coach Smith, then maybe the same story, but the university's investigation will be eminently justified, because what he knew and when he knew it becomes very relevant then to how serious his inaction is. And if he had any hand in actively discouraging reporting or seeking professional help, then my final call is likely to be, sad as I am to admit it, that he should go. I'm disappointed enough to hear it alleged that Earle Bruce may have played a part in active discouragement. I do agree with your conclusions for the most part with the exception that the firing would be deemed justified under his contract for an issue that surfaced in 2015 before his current contract was in effect.

I never got this argument. Hiding pedophilia in your football program -- not NCAA. Finding out who paid for a $200 tattoo -- get the NCAA hanging judge. I get it's a criminal offense vs. rules violation but how many people walked away with no punishment that knew what was going on over there, inside and outside the program. It happened for decades. Because the Penn State matter is much more akin the North Carolina cheating issue which was deemed not to be an NCAA matter despite the fact it was systemic. There were no NCAA regulations regarding the UNC matter, same with Penn State.

^ Because Penn State's issue was not an NCAA matter. It was horrible but did not fall under the purview of the NCAA. The school should have been severely punished, which they were, but by the NCAA they got screwed and the NCAA admits that now too.

Penn State got screwed by mob justice too.

I believe it could be covered under certain general areas, especially with the way the DOE has expanded protections in the last few years, however, I think this matter would not fall under that purview since it was between a married couple not on university property or in the scope of their jobs at the time. Also, the part added to his contract covering issues like this happened after the 2015 incident and therefore, it is difficult to hold Urban responsible for this. This arose due to the controversy with the Ray Rice and Mixon matters. Given the contract and the incident, Meyer handled things appropriately in 2018 when Smith was fired for his actions. I just have a huge issue holding someone's past deeds that were acceptable to today's standards. We need to move on. If the person does not comply with today's standards that is a different story, but past mistakes are past. We must move on. Demand better and if Urban falls short, then you fire him.

Tressel lied in an attempt to cover for others who were seeking pay for their uncompensated labor. Urban is alleged to have: *Lied about his knowledge of domestic violence *Failed his Title IX duty by not reporting domestic violence *Failed the explicit stipulation in his most recent contract to report domestic violence *Enabled the wifebeater by having two of his closest advisers pressure Smith's wife to not report the violence (a lot we still don't know about this part of the story) It's obscene to compare what they have allegedly done. Title IX does not apply to a domestic dispute between a husband and wife. Where it becomes a university issue is when the charges get filed. There is a certain privacy that exists in the husband/wife relationship that is still recognized by courts. Taking earlier action before a police report based on a he said/she said allegation is improper and a lack of due process. We need to remember that here. We don't know for a fact he lied and likely the only person who could confirm that would be Shelley Meyer. Shelley Meyer cannot be compelled to speak out against Urban, so we may never know this for a fact. His most recent contract was signed a year or two ago. When the incident with Smith occurred, he was fired (complying with the contract) What happened in 2015 was under the old contract and he should not be held accountable for that standard even if he did know. Did he enable the wife beater? The guy was Earle's grandson, the "advisors" were friends of the Bruce family and family friends. They were trying to resolve the issue with a family member. Also the 2009 issue was the warning sign, people can change and grow with age and wisdom. I have no problem with 2nd chances, especially for troubled people. We all make mistakes. As for the 2015 issue, that is a bit more troublesome should he have known but, the other difference there is that they were separated and going through a divorce. The problem was being handled by the Domestic Relations Court at that time and normally, once the marriage is dissolved, the issues go away since the parties are not around each other. In his mind, would it be reasonable to say, they got divorced so the problem has taken care of itself? What sucks is that as a society, especially lately, there is this thirst for vengeance instead of justice. There is a desire not just to end the problem but to get the scalp of everyone who may have even the slightest tangential connection to the matter. That is what is wrong and needs to stop. Yes, I am sure Urban did not act perfect in this case here and hindsight is 20/20. At the end of the day, should he take the fall for his assistant coach's marital issues.

This statement is beyond absurd. Please read what Urban has actually been accused of (Facebook link, but it's the actual article from the journalist who uncovered the story): Tressel lied to NCAA investigators. Urban did nothing wrong legally or by the NCAA. Urban created a PR disaster. These are apples and oranges. PR disasters can be managed. Look at the Joe Mixon thing, that has died down. Give him a reprimand and move forward with zero tolerance on the issue in the future. I really don't get how title IX would come to play here. Again, if Shelly Meyer did not report it, she can lose her job with the University but that is where the punishment would have to end. Telling Shelley is not the same as telling Urban and you can't say because they are married he has to know too. Even if you are 99% certain she would have told him, you cant make her admit otherwise because communication between spouses is privileged. There are many employment issues at play here and Title IX should not be at play since it was a dispute between a married couple outside of the scope of employment or on university property. Privacy still does have a place, doesn't it?

Tressel was fired for far, far less. Additionally, he made a denial last week Tressel denied it (lied) to the NCAA. Lying to the press isn't a NCAA offense as far as I know. It's bad. For any normal high-ranking official, executive, coach, he's probably gone. But OSU fb is a borderline cult, so... Also, the goalposts on "fireable" have shifted massively since 2011. It would be a bad precedent to fire him over a mob mentality here. This is not anything near Penn State or Tressel. 1) the situation involved 2 consenting adults in a domestic dispute. Smith may be an ahole and deserves what he gets for being a jerk but to ask the head coach to be responsible for getting in the middle of a domestic dispute between an assistant coach and his wife was really not his business. This was between Smith and his ex-wife and the police/court system. If he was doing his job, his home life should be private. 2) There is no NCAA violations here. None of the alleged events happened on company time or on campus where OSU would have any jurisdiction to assert responsibility. Whether Meyer knew of marital issues or a dispute between Smith and his wife were not relevant as long as it remained a private affair between the married couple.

Portune has been around long enough and is pretty entrenched in the local political scene that he really does not need to play the party games anymore. He pretty much can run his office how he wants and the party can be damned if they don't agree with him. He is like Dusty Rhodes in that regard.

^ No Portune forced SORTA to push the sales tax initiative back because he did not want it to compete with his sales tax for the county and he knew if SORTA had one on the ballot at the same time they would both go down in flames.

I think the amount of signatures was more threatening to them than the lawsuit

It is refreshing for a mayor to actually talk about clearing up the problem instead of pussyfooting around the issue and placating the Josh Spring's of the world. This is what happens in many other big cities and it is good to see Cranley is taking a tough stand.

^ There are plenty of opportunities available that are not OSU for local players. you have JCU, Oberlin, Hiram, Baldwin Wallace, Case, Wooster, Ashland, Walsh. Assume the average DIII team has about 90 to 100 players, that is close to 700+ opportunities for NE Ohio Students. Then you add in Kent, Akron, YSU and BGSU and they recruit many more from the local area who may not be good enough to play at OSU. Point is, if you are good enough to play college football, and want to play in college, there are more opportunities in Northern Ohio than almost anywhere else.

They could play DIII or DII. You have Case, Mount Union, John Carroll, Oberlin, Baldwin Wallace, Hiram all within an hour drive to choose from. THey don't give athletic scholarships but give academic scholarships to talented football players. If they wanted to play so bad, they could have gone to these schools. The talent level at schools like John Carroll and Baldwin Wallace is not much different than Dayton and depending on how they run the program would not be much different than what CSU would put on the table initially either. The question is would this generate the interest amongst the student body and alumni to offset the cost. Does it create an environment where people want to stay around campus longer or go to CSU? I just don't see the ROI there. If I were a typical CSU student, I would go to CSU because of 1) Price and affordability and 2) it is located close to home and I can commute from home and save on college costs. If I want to move out I can find an apartment in the area to live affordably near campus with friends and 3) I am in the city and have all the amenities and benefits of being in a major city like Cleveland. I don't need to have the bond of college football on Saturdays because I am too busy working at my job that day or I would rather attend an Indians game or watch the Buckeyes on TV or go visit friends at Kent or AKrowdy.

Why on earth would CSU start a football program? it is an expensive venture and I doubt there would be demand amongst the alumni to do this, and cant see how it would really benefit the school. There are a plethora of DIII schools in the area including Case which is less than 10 minutes away if people want to watch DIII football. CSU's product would not be much better. If Clevelander's want to watch a MAC product, Akron and Kent State are only about 45 minutes away. CSU will never be Ohio State or even UC for many reasons discussed above. It needs to find its own niche. I know the DIII schools struggle for attendance like everyone else and many reasons why they have a program is because of the long tradition from its alumni to support a football program. Football is not CSU.

I have a hard time getting excited about 1/2 mile bike path. I would have tried to get at least 2-4 miles open first

Josh Spring needs to eat a bag of s**t

I don't know if the city is set up for a good N/S bus only lane. It could work E/W better but even then it would be hard to find a good bus alley with the highway configuration the way it is along 3rd, 5th and 6th street. Cleveland and Minneapolis did something like this with Euclid and Nicollet but the topography works better. there. Maybe if they started to use the Riverfront transit Center on a regular basis and that gives the bus only lanes.