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Workforce housing is not a defined term like "affordable Housing" or "HUD Income Based Housing" Workforce housing is just a new term to desribe market rate housing that caters to the renter by necessity. Typically, workforce housing is a Class B- to Class C property. The tenants tend not to be college educated or are working in a trade type profession. Healthcare workers such as LPN's lower level government workers, warehouseman, construction, exterminators, etc. They will typically earn between $25k-$50k per year. These individuals are not on a voucher and pay out of pocket. They are often in the unit for multiple years and they typically are not looking to purchase a house. They will always be renters.

But Cranley essentially needs to stay a stealth candidate for as long as possible.

Also, the Busch family owned the baseball team. I do believe the county owned the stadium, but Busch Stadium did not seem overly corporate at the time given the family ties to the area.

If were going for Cincinnati based companies, I vote for the Roto Rooter futbol bowl

there is very little inventory on the market. People are not wanting to move right now.

True. THe primary will provide the clearest answer to the question. Will have to see what happens in 18 months. The other thing to keep in mind now is that assuming Dewine continues to be popular. How many established names would be willing to throw their hat in the ring? An up an comer looking to develop a name, yes. Could Whaley and Cranley run a stealth campaign to raise money behind the scenes. I can see that happening. If DeWine's popularity craters, then they come out publiclly. If not, they never commit to running. Cranley built his name by running and losing for Congress, so he has nothing to gain by falling on his sword and losing to a popular governor or overperforming in a loss. I think Whaley is the same way. I would not think she has greater intentions unless she had a strong chance of winning, so acting as a foot solider and running a long shot race may not appeal to her either.

But Cranley is well connected with the political class up there and has strong connections with some in the business community given his prior ties to the area.

Cranley will be a much stronger candidate statewide. He runs a bigger city so he has more name recognition there. Plus, he has a lot of allies in NE Ohio. He went to college in Cleveland and still have a lot of connections up there plus his time in government has developed them too. Whaley is from Indiana and pretty much limited her entire adult life to Dayton.

He is going to position himself as a conservative pro business democrat who is socially liberal. It would be a race between 2 moderates, Dewine Center Right and Cranley Center Left.

Going up the Gilbert Hill would be expensive, like the Vine connector. Plus would the ballet site really bring people there, I thought it was just a practice facility. Going to the Baldwin building is a bit intriguing because it connects that area with downtown which would be a benefit and could spur more development there. Plus with the art stairs right there, it now connects the art museum (although many people would probably not prefer to take the stairs). The only reason i suggested the Casino line is if the Casino pays for it. Then you get a ton of other potential connectivity going E-W with connections in Pendleton and to your point now the Eden park area.

The Casino line would be beneficial if you can convince the Casino of the benefit and to pay the bulk of the construction costs. It could create a transfer station at Washington Park or Kroger or some other place. It would also open up more of Pendleton to Street Car usage and maybe additional development on the lots near the Courthouse. I agree that it is not as beneficial as the UT and FCC stadium spur

If you want to be fareless, there are currently 2 large city parking structures on the Street car line (Ftn Sq, US Bank building, The Banks) if you build an FCC garage and extension to Union Terminal, you add a couple more lots. Add $1 flat fee per car that parks in the garage that would be dedicated to the Streetcar fares and make them free. The $1 per car would encourage more riders because they are paying for them and also, assume you only get 25% of those parkers who ride, it could finance the Streetcar system. Monthly parkers could pay a flat $10 fee per month so not to inflate their bill too much. You don't need to charge all city garages the fee, only the ones directly connected to the line. It may even finance expansion. The question is whether that legally works with the ownership structure of the garages (I think Ftn Sq is owned by 3CDC) or the law allows for parking funds to be split in this way. It could be a better way of doing it than TIF funds or special property tax assessment. Anyone have any idea if this is a possibility?

There are two benefits to the parking garages at stadiums. 1) it is a premium source of revenue on game days (for Someone, as it makes the economics work) and 2) they offer affordable parking for downtown workers during non-game day - game times. The Banks garages offer relatively cheap parking compared to the rest of downtown, and old Riverfront stadium garages did too. By people having to walk 3-4 blocks to their cars, it encouraged them to make a stop after work sometimes, it discouraged them from taking their car out at lunchtime and driving to KY or Hyde Park for a lunch appointment. During the working hours it keeps people downtown more. If you have a lot more surface parking or garages next to your building, it allows more movement during the day. I remember years ago, working in downtown Cleveland. There were a lot more larger surface lots in the business district and people were able more apt to take their cars out during the day it seemed. Now, their downtown is more spread out, and there is also more public transportation in the area, but it seemed like after work, or other events did not take place in downtown proper (Note that this was over 10 years ago so things in Cleveland have probably changed a bit).

I think that would be a great spur to add. It connects 3 attractions (Casino, FCC Stadium and Union Terminal) to streetcar grid, giving the streetcar more destinations for use. Casino, Union Terminal, FCC and Banks are all major parking structures and allow the ability to shuttle workers into downtown via the streetcar. This makes it more of a transportation alternative for everyone instead of just those living downtown. Now, you can park on the fringes easier (at the stadiums, etc,) and get to your place of work and also to other entertainment venues. At the end of the day, the majority of the area does not live in the city so creating opportunities to expand ridership for people not living near the line would be a good idea. Now, it allows a worker to take the streetcar to grab a beer at an OTR bar and get to their cheap parking lot at FCC garage or Union Terminal to go to their home in Delhi or Northside. Or for those who park at the Casino, they can take the Streetcar to and from work, giving them more incentive to visit the Casino.

What about the old Garfield Hotel. I thought those were being turned back into apartments? Did they ever open?

Certainly, operators are going to fight to keep their product relevant as it ages. 4th and Plum is certainly investing back in the property, but eventually, it becomes a cost benefit analysis where it is better to go from a Class A apartment to a high class B apartment and rent corresponding to that. I think a good example is Lytle Tower. Back up until the 2000's it was pretty much the only apartment building downtown of any relevance and catered to a high end crowd. While it offered good views, there are too many structural issues there that prevent it from comepting with today's class A product and their amenities. Lytle has low ceiling height for example which cannot be remedied. It may not be able to offer the amenities such as a dog park, or rooftop terrace that are common with today's downtown developments or even certain conceirge level services. While rents still are on the higher end, it does not command the same level as say a 7. I have read some papers on Inclusionary Zoning and it does not seem very effective in NYC where it is being tried. I dont think Cincinnati has the base for it yet and housing is still relatively affordable here for that type of zoning. LIHTC certainly work, but certainly, those seem to go toward more specialty developments such as senior only, etc in the present time. There is a wide area between the luxury apartment and the LIHTC apartments that is not being served now and finding a way to market to this group is key because a lot of the YP"s fit in this group. I think the Blonde is an attempt at this. We will have to see how it plays out and then I imagine you will see the sister project to the Blonde take shape in another year.

As mentioned above regarding costs making affordable housing prohibitive, the thing that it does do is push older housing into a more affordable class. New product makes it difficult for the older product to compete and there is less incentive to keep the older product up to the level that would compete with the Class A new product. Plus style changes and what was designed new 20 years ago cant be redesigned as easily to meet today's preferences. The Class A product becomes Class B and no longer competes with as high of rents. Looking downtown, 4th and Plum lofts is a perfect example of this. In the mid/late 90s early 2000s these were great apartments. Now they are a bit dated and rents correspond to that. THey are expensive still, but not quite the level of say 7 on Broadway or the Banks.

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While nice, it would have been cooler for a 30-35 story tower in Western part of the CBD or along 7th street

--- and we can choose to disagree on this. Now do I agree he must be suspended and he must show he is sorry and complete some type of penance. Of course. But he should be given the opportunity to redeem himself. I think it would be better for everyone if he does have the chance. It will foster more healing and understanding between people

again, people should not judge people on one moment in time. I know it is tempting and easy to do. Taking a pause and looking at the totality of the person before condemning them is important to truly understand a person. It takes a shallow person who really cares little about humanity who looks at this incident and quickly decides that Brenaman is a good/bad person. It is much more complex than that. Let's pause before we pass judgment.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/08/20/reds-players-react-to-thom-brennaman-s-comment.html?ana=e_cinci_bn_editorschoice_editorschoice&j=90524668&t=Breaking News&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkRVM05XVTJObVpqTTJZMCIsInQiOiJsOFBYR3hxY0tuaUkxd3RiOFJZRWRzbjJxUmV3aURkNHlDcDhDbXY1Q2FWMmRXM2xjWWI2TjhQaWVBZE1ZQTZ4MGhtYmFSUDVEUmpScHJqY0IzWTRCK2d3UEdHMjVrUXBiYWxodGE1bmJSZXpoVmNHbUFzclBiS2UzU0IxMXREQSJ9 THis is a good article. I for one tend to agree most with Stephen A Smith's analysis. However, I most want to point out Chris Seelbach's statement. As you know I am not a fan of him, but I do have to applaud him for his take. He seems to be open to the concept of reconciliation and forgiveness and I applaud him for being open to that. It ultimately is best for bringing everyone together. If this is how Seelbach feels on this, I agree with him.

Absolutely agree that he needs to do some sort of penance. It is not just asking for an apology, but he needs to redeem himself too. Redemption should be allowed and should be warranted. You can tell he is a bad person because he used an inappropriate word? It is a shame you judge a person solely by one thing they say instead of actually examining the entirety of their works. You quickly make a snap judgment on someone whom you really dont know on one instance? I get it, perception is reality for most people, but just like we make snap judgments for the good, people are too quick to make snap judgments to the bad. People are complex. Is someone who spends their time helping the poor or sick in hospitals and shelters a bad person because they once said a racist word at one point in their life or a homophobic slur? Or what about the person who kept their words PC, but behind the scenes are just a giant SOB and jerk when the public cameras are not around? Personally, I am more willing to defer to the person with good actions and good intent that may occasionally slip up and use poor language. Actions speak much louder than words, Lets at least pause and see if Brenamans actions speak louder than his words before we castigate him to Hell.

People say inappropriate things. Lets face reality. You cant control people's thoughts in private. THat does not mean they are an ass, people are people. We need to quit the microaggressions and forgive people. You all live in glass houses. All I am saying is that maybe, if you want to change the narrative, practice forgiveness and have him seek reconciliation instead of cancelling him.

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