Brutus_buckeye

I never suggested anyone said anything about them. Only that when trying to get the desired diversity, we must make sure not to take any short cuts and create quotas.

There used to be a residency requirement for all civil servants to live within city limits but that was ruled unconstitutional. I believe that was around 30+ years ago.

While diversity is good, we need to work to make sure we do not set arbitrary quotas to achieve a mix that may be "desired" by some.

Just pointing out the absurdity of the whole thing.

While we are at it, we should change the city name of Cincinnati because somewhere thousands of years ago, Cincinnatus owned slaves. Also, we should remove Mary Emery's name from places around town because she hated Catholics. The Taft name should probably be scrubbed too because they have been around long enough they have probably some tangental connection to slavery. Since Marge Schott was such a bad person, we need to disavow any of her ancestors because of their connections to her. Their money is just as tainted. Only after we purify ourselves and our society we can truly be saved, and create that perfect utopia that comrade Marx preaches about. Do you see the absurdity in your idea of creating what you deem a "better society"? How about just promote individual liberty. People will be much happier in the long run

^ you cant just do that, because then you will just have a bunch of statues of racist horses who represent their racist owners and the perpetuation of racism will just continue into perpetuity. It would be chaos. Also, if you were part of the marginalized group, how uncomfortable would it be to have to walk into a park and see a horse that is immortalized in a statue who was only bred to be a successful horse because of slavery. In fact, Jake, you could probably research the history books and find that even Secretariat came from horse ancestors who rode in the fields at the time of slavery and that he only won the triple crown years ago because he came from a privilege line of horses that was only there because of the horses genealogical line can be traced back to slavery at some point. If anything it should invalidate his Triple Crowns. Can you now see the problem with just leaving the horse up?

They dont have to be much lower for him, he gets to pocket an extra $200k plus in the land sale. It will offest a lot of property taxes. It seems like a rather awkward lot to subdivide.

I will agree with you on this point, he was a bit quick to end the meeting. He did need to show a bit more patience.

I dont think it will help him with votes. I do agree with his position. When you let the meeting get out of order like that, it devolves into chaos. People have a right to be heard but they have a duty to make their voices heard in a civilized manner.

Well said. As I said a while back, we should just agree to disagree. Personally, I find putting a plaque to add historical context next to the statue a good solution too. So it looks like we have a detente. I think we can put the issue to rest. Hopefully Seelbach will too.

You keep missing the point that Jake and myself have been trying to make. Harrison is essentially a footnote in history as a president, but for Cincinnatians at the time, it was a big deal. In 1841 pretty much all presidents sans Andrew Jackson were from VA, NY, PA (the original colonies). For a growing city like Cincinnati, this was akin to having one of their own in the office. It was a feather in the cap. That is what they are celebrating, not the man himself. It was something that established the city as a peer city with its East coast counterparts. The man himself is a footnote. You keep getting bent out of shape by his history, but as Jake and I have been saying, it does not matter. That is not the point of the statue.

I get the point completely, you seem to be the one with a revisionist sense of history. What i said was that he may have been on the wrong side of history on that issue, but that is not why he had a statue. It is much different than Confederate Generals who have statues and such because not only were they on the wrong side of history but their key accomplishment was fighting for that right. Harrison's act of being president of the US had nothing to do with fighting for slavery. They are separate parts of his life and separate points altogether. We can agree to disagree on this that is fine. As mentioned, I think Seelbach is simply stirring the pot with his bully antics like he always does.

The design looks like a prison.

You clearly are missing the point. He advocated for an opinion at the time that was not accepted. There was a schism in thought at the time, but at the same time, he was not fighting for something illegal. He was guilty of pushing the wrong thought in the marketplace, and he lost that battle. He is allowed to be wrong, nobody is perfect. He does not get honored with a statue for that. He gets a statue because he was president. The rest is left to the history books.

You have proved my point though. King was an influential leader but was also in an era that may not have been as enlightened in certain areas as people are today. Would he be different toward the LGBT community if he were alive today? probably. However, the same can be said for the likes of Harrison and other leaders of their time who may have condoned slavery as it was the law of the land and common for the time. Just as you can give MLK a pass, you should also give Harrison the same benefit of the doubt. Well, I did know him personally, so my impression of him is not based on what he does in the media. There are few people that I hold in such low regard, and he just happens to be one of them.

The problem is you seem to want to take Seelbach at face value, That slimeball does not deserve to be taken at face value. He barely knows much about Harrison, and i would wager his "research" is likely reading Wikipedia. he is sayng the statue should be removed because he ultimately lived at a time where slavery was legal and he was supportive of that at one time in his life. Seelbach seems to not think that any person who supported slavery has redeemable qualities. He really is nothing but a bully who is destructive. I have no problem removing condederate statues and the like. However, there needs to be common sense. Seelbach wants to tap into mob mentality to bully people around. That is what he is doing here.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55efa8b5e4b0c21dd4f4d8ee/t/55f03e34e4b07334ec9e7e20/1441807924727/Martin+Luther+King’s+advice+to+a+young+man+with+homosexuality_c.pdf I would think many in the LGBT would be outraged if this article came out today.

As usual Chris Seelbach is good at being an moron and an a$$. The man has a statue not because he owned slaves or donated money. He has a statue because he was president for 40 days. It celebrates the fact that he was president. It does not offer commentary on the man himself. Secondly, I highly doubt anyone is offended by being in the park since 99.99% of people who visited the pace knew little about Harrison to begin with. The litmus test by those on the know nothing left that they are trying to establish is just absurd. Nobody can pass a purity test and everyone is a flawed individual. You put a statue of the man to celebrate an accomplishment. In Harrison's case, that was being president for 40 days and being the first person from Cincinnati to hold the office. The statue does not need to recognize everything he did in life (that is what gravestones are for) but it simply recognizes one of the accomplishments he made in life that helped move the country forward. Thomas Jefferson for example owned slaves, but he was also extremely influential to the founding of the country that recognizing him with a statue for those reasons is appropriate. We would not be here if it were not for Jefferson's efforts. That does not mean he was a pious man perfect in every way. He was human like everyone else. We can recognize his flaws but still celebrate his accomplishments. Where does this stupidity stop? Do you remove MLK's name from things because he was not a supporter of LGBTQ rights and spoke out against them? You should be able to recognize the person's accomplishments in society without subjecting them to a purity test. Nobody is pure so quit trying to hold people to that standard.

Jen Mendoza is a nutjob. I am all for the right to protest, but in my opinion she is completely unhinged from the times I have seen her act on social media . Not surprised she is lashing out even more

We threw a kegger as our house warming party many years ago when I bought my first house, which in retrospect was not the best idea, lol No longer in those days though.

It really is looking like it will have a cool neighborhoody vibe like Wrigley in Chicago.

What do you mean by 30 minute lunch culture. I think that is pretty common in a lot of businesses now if you do not have lunch plans, you just grab a quick bite many times? Is there something different in Columbus? On a separate note, all the talk about the demise of the office I believe is overblown. Yes, certainly, there will be more work from home options out there, and more abilities for employees to work from home, but there is a significant problem with a fully remote workplace, especially early on. Most seasoned workers can work well at remotely. They have their job and know what is expected from them. However, there is still an importance of office space for the younger worker and even transfer worker. New grads for example will suffer the most from this because if everyone goes remote, it is going to be harder to develop workers remotely as it would be if they were in the office as part of a group, within the company culture. Certain of the soft skills will be lost as they are not able to be developed working remotely as they would when you are in the office environment. INtern programs will really suffer, because it is hard to give the direction and oversight of an intern when they are full time remote (lets face it, many fresh out of school may not be the best self starters yet and still lack the confidence to take initiative in their organizations). I feel bad for the college grads in the next 5 years because if we do undergo a transition in work style from office to remote, they will not have come up with the new paradigm and will be asked to shift to that on the fly, whereas, kids in Jr High right now will be able to absorb the switch by that point and be better trained to function in that environment.

The biggest thing I liked about the renovation is that it leveled off the square. The old square was like a maze of stairs and barriers. The new one is much more open to walk on (cluttered yes) and also flatter and less raised. It feels as if the new square increased the usable space a bunch which was helpful.

Most likely no. THe GOP is not going to run anyone. Sittenfeld has built the war chest of the moneyed, many GOP donors in the city because he speaks as being very pro-development. The one thing about PG is he is able to be easily influenced by donors and there are a couple of times where he got over his skis and had to walk things back some because of it. There is no room for someone right of PG because he has the fundraising. The only space is an upstart on the left or an African American who could capture the African American community and has name recognition to turn out the vote. If Alecia Reese loses the commissioner election, I would not be surprised to see her jump into the mayor's primary. She would likely be more to the right of PG (and she is also good with the business community), but she would actually pose a formidable challenge. It would be similar to the Pepper/Mallory campaign from 2007

I know this is purely anecdotal, but the interesting thing I noticed when driving around in Avon, Avon Lake, Bainbridge, Chagrin and Hudson recently, was the amount of homes that were for sale. It definitely felt like a bit of a buyers market up there given the amount of choices that seemed to be in the area. I know it is anecdotal, but when I contrast it with some of the areas of Cincy that I am around on the NE side, I do not see nearly the volume of homes for sale in those areas. It is still a tight market. I am not sure what people see in Columbus, but I found it interesting.