YO to the CLE

I just took this flight with my family last week. The plane was completely full both ways. Convenient, affordable, and comfortable. We connected through Dublin to Paris. This is a great service to have out of CLE, and I hope it only keeps expanding.

I love that KJP has now blown up 2 large announcements (Sherwin and Browns) lol

Now this is an argument that you can definitely make. My argument was more focused on the return on taxpayer investment being wildly overblown for the city. Now I would agree that the creation of a new entertainment district is going to have a poaching affect. That is...once it is fully built out. It all depends on what they can offer entertainment-wise that downtown or even a place like Crocker cannot. That is not a whole lot, but maybe they'll pull it off. If they offer sports betting, then I can definitely see that demographic favoring Brook Park over downtown. Cleveland is already a heavy sports bar city, so that's not a new concept by any means.

That's fine. I am going off of observations, so this may very well be true. I'd like to see those statistics if someone has them, but even so...8 days a year. And I would argue that a lot (not all) of those rooms would still be booked even if the stadium were in Brook Park for obvious reasons.

Why? I lived downtown for 12 years. Attended many Browns games, went to the muni lot many times, the bars/restaurants around the stadium many times. Walked the streets most Browns home games. The economic benefits are wildly overblown on the surface. Outside of W 6th, the bars and restaurants were rarely busier than any given Sunday afternoon in summer. The fan base largely wants nothing to do with downtown. Most people drive in, do not use the hotels and bring their own food/alcohol for tailgating. W 6th is mostly younger folks who live in or near downtown already who are just out with friends partying. After the game is over, the streets are dead within an hour. To add, this only happens 8 times a year...I'll give you tax collections for ticket sales and employee income tax, but again, 8 times a year? Conversely let's look at the Cavs and Guards. Both have many games played at home, attract more families and a crowd who is more willing to frequent the bars/restaurants downtown. More income taxes collected, more ticket sales taxes. It is not even a close comparison. Again, I lived downtown for 12 years. These are first hand observations. I guess I do not have hard numbers to validate these claims but until someone provides these numbers to refute my observations, I will continue to think this way.

All of this has left an incredibly sour taste in my mouth regarding the Browns. I am actually glad that Bibb and the city are playing hardball with this organization. Out of all the major league sports teams, the Browns have arguably done the least for the region economically. The Cavs and Guards contribute far more in activity and vitality. Most of the people who go to a Browns game don't even frequent downtown establishments. They just get smashed in the muni lot. On top of that, they have delivered nothing but disappointing seasons except MAYBE last year. Let them go for all I care. Put that money into something much better.

I have it from a decent source at the cleveland clinic health center across the street that it is in fact at TJ’s. This person is in a position where they could actually know this info with 85% certainty. They also mentioned that the random lot behind the pit used by clinic patients and employees is going away soon. So a sign that things are maybe moving?

see, that won’t work because all of the homeless in the city will bathe in the canals. The river is also far too polluted and dirty for tourists to enjoy it. Might as well continue to ignore it and use it as the trash dump it is - every cleveland.com commenter

^And there is part of the reason for the preference of single family housing in our region. It is just too darn affordable here. The barrier to entry is very low compared to other regions. Couple that with HGTV-ism, and every millenial is lining up to buy their own home. It is not all bad since the city proper offers that housing type. It just all needs a lot of work.

Trust me, the term "luxury" only refers to upgraded amenities and higher end finishes. In a lower rent market like CLE, units are separated by minimum fire code requirements only. Anything extra is value-engineered out right away and added soundproofing is considered a big, costly extra.

As someone who works in property management, unless the building is an 150 year old masonry structure, you are always going to have "thin walls". 1/2" drywall vs 5/8" thick drywall vs plaster....Doesn't matter. People who live in apartments need to accept this as a fact of life. My wife and I hung out for many years in apartments. No sense in even trying to conceal anything in a new build apartment complex unless it was deigned by a sound engineer.

^Cleveland Clinic shoudl absolutely be considered part of UC. Now is the time though where they need to get their sh*t together and create a cohesive and walkable campus linked with UC. The newer buildings under const are a small step better than before. Why can't they seriously build something to interact with the street the way Miller Pavilion does. I mean is it really that difficult?!

Idk. All of my friends would say otherwise. We all thought entering the child raising stage, we would follow your theory a bit more, but honestly, having kids has shown us that we need dense walkable neighborhoods even more to avoid going absolutely insane

Cleveland State is pulling A LOT of people from Buff. Coming from a graduate of CSU. I had a lot of WNY friends in college

This is awesome! This neighborhood has lost a lot of these over the past few years. Nice to see one being saved!

If this is actually something in the works, do what they did at Tremont Pointe, add in a small one block section of retail centered around the community center on W 25th and call it a day.

The Catanese building could go to open up the waterfront. But they better leave the corner buildings alone across the street.

Little Italy is apparently the price point in CLE that warrants exceptional architecture. Not that I want all of CLE to be at that price point, but just an interesting observation

^Realistically, I think the B&O station only makes sense as a Northern terminus of an extended CVSR. Other than that, it is quite isolated from visitors coming into the city. The visitor center is already in about as prime of a location as you can get right now

^In a perfect world, people would start to move back to the great lakes and northeast states where it makes sense for people to live. Instead, when the water dries up, they will just come to us looking to pump from the Great Lakes. I know we have the GL compact which is great, but I am sure that in our country which is so focused on jobs and political influence, someone would find a way around the GL compact. The only saving grace is that Canada would certainly have none of that BS and fight it tooth and nail.

I am so excited for this project! It is a block (long block) away from my house, and that pit in the ground is such an eyesore. Catso does quality stuff. VEry excited to see what they offer up

Someone please call the Rochester NY developer and tell them they now have a much larger parcel of land to work with.

This^ The housing is reminiscent of Little Italy where all the historic charm has been stripped or covered up. Also doesn't have that signature commercial district. Too disjointed. The industrial/residential mix of the neighborhood is traditional badass Cleveland but in many ways works against it.

On one hand, I dislike the decrease in density cumulatively, but I love the designs! Although in this case, maybe taking a few apartments in Little Italy off the market will start to push the students further into Glenville and help the repopulation efforts in that neighborhood. Rising tide lifts all ships!

@KJP need you to write an article on this because I am not subscribed to Crains or CLE.com!