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There's that large parcel of land where Brevier dead ends. Behind the APL. I can see a couple hundred units going there.

I don't understand these types of demos! I literally just sold one of my rental properties two blocks from here for well over asking with a cash offer and multiple bids. I have driven by this building multiple times. There is absolutely no reason to believe that demolition is more cost effective than renovation in this neighborhood unless the home is fire damaged. Plain and simple.

I'd be curious how they make the rail trail work as well. This is not like the Red Line Greenway on the west side. This rail line is heavily active with much larger freight trains compared to RTA's smaller trains

^Ehh, wallpaper can stay gone for all I care. It is such a pain in the ass to both install right and remove. However, to go along with the above assessment that people want everything to look "perfect" and modern/crisp, the one thing I CANNOT stand which lots of flippers are doing here in CLE, (and buyers are inexplicably buying) is covering up original hardwood floors with that cheap glue down fake vinyl plank! Like seriously WTF. I am sorry, but there are very few hardwood floors which can't be saved with a small investment. Flippers are just cheaping out and I can see why I guess since people are buying it!

Hate the design, love the small scale infill. Hooray for Inc-Dev!

Inc-Dev for the win! This is delightfully refreshing to see. I have been tracking this area on occasional jogs for quite some time. It started along Wade Park/Ashbury but has really grown significantly beyond those borders. Although I love the larger projects popping up around Downtown and UC, this small scale development is how the bulk of Cleveland's neighborhoods are going to be brought back.

On maps, it looks like this actually sits considerably far back from the street. If the development is designed accordingly in relation to the strip of rowhouses next door, the garden could actually be a neat little courtyard.

The asbestos I could maybe get, depending on how far they went with the asbestos, but some of these buildings are definitely less than 3000 sq ft per floor plate and don't require an elevator anyway (Disregarding the fact that they are grandfathered in unless accepting some kind of public subsidy).

^But that is the thing, unless the foundation is completely f*#$ed and/or their is significant fire damage or widespread long term water infiltration, it is almost always more economical to utilize an existing framing structure vs supply new. Especially now because lumber is through the roof due to shortages. Edit: The reason sometimes reno becomes expensive is because masonry is a very costly item. Developers are not keen to using or restoring masonry because of the upfront cost. They want the profit margins, so they use every other exterior cladding under the sun (my company is just as guilty). It's great for construction margins not to use masonry, but for my world (maintenance), nothing is better than masonry structures. Just pains me to see us tear these down for inferior construction.

As an engineer, I'll never understand how any structure is "too far gone" to save. Especially when what they are building here is exactly what was here before. The only structures I've ever seen that are beyond repair are some of the homes in Detroit's neighborhoods.

I find all of this very interesting. I do agree that we are seeing a move away from the dense, higher-priced coastal cities and Chicago. This may play out to Ohio's advantage (or at least Cleveland's as I can only speak with experience regarding that city). For a long time, I think the general consensus is that Cleveland found itself in a middle ground in terms of legacy built environment. We were missing the built environment and density of coastal cities. As much as I personally love the Ubiquitous Cleveland doubles and colonials lining our streets, they never gave a "wow" factor to the demographic looking for a truly urban experience or coolness. Put it this way, there is a big difference in the urban experience in CLE or any Ohio city for that matter vs NYC, Philly, Boston Chicago urban experience. And as much as we'eve added over the past 10 years, we still do not come close. We just kind of fall in that middle ground of density...too quiet for those wanting the "Hip" city life and too dense for those wanting the quietness of the suburbs. Fast forward to Covid 2020, and I think we are perfectly situated to capitalize on the current situation. Our housing stock now becomes quite practical for both sides. Doubles offer families the opportunity to cohabitate as the next generation of young adults is probably more hesitant to move away to the coasts or grandparents retire and hestitate to retire in Florida or elsewhere. On the flip side, someone coming from the coast can still find decent urbanity without the crush of people at a fraction of the cost. Now the county needs to find a way to incentive modernization of this housing stock because it all of the sudden becomes desirable again.

^This is true. Cleveland operations are one of the most productive steel plants in the world. The fact that even they are being hurt by all of this is a telling sign of the world economy

^Was that building always a garage? Has the makings of a warehouse at one time. Definitely a cool little building but looks to need significant masonry restoration.

Proud Viking alum here! So excited to see my alma mater growing like this.

I still love this design. Pays homage to the industrial past in a "non-disney" way. To the untrained eye, someone me even mistake it for adaptive reuse (at least the river side of the buildings)

Holy crap, that is a lot of vans...Good to see though, and if there's going t be a distribution center, this is the perfect spot for it.

I'm calling the Lee/Meadowbrook site. EDIT: Ohh wait, nevermind, I know exactly what it is because my company is involved with it...I'll let KJP divulge when he's ready.

Wow...This is quite the surprise. The city needs to find a way to create a more pleasant connection between the main commercial drag of Euclid and the quaint residential neighborhoods north of Payne. Chester is terrible. Hopefully the OC renders Chester useless.

^I hate it. WAYYYY too much density, and I feel personally offended at such a design. I am going to make sure I free up my calendar from anything remotely productive so I can go sit in on the BZA meetings and express my unabated anger towards such a design. I may even sue for personal anguish.

I am soo pumped to watch this thing be framed. It's going to be quite a sight to see. The engineer in me is going to be slightly aroused every time I drive by this thing ?

ugh

I have a friend who just bought at phase one of the Scranton townhomes. I toured his place, and miraculously, the noise form the highway was not very bad at all. Granted he is a little further away than phase 2. The views though...One of the best of downtown I have seen.

It's crazy how similar the Irvington neighborhood looks to Lakewood, OH. Almost exactly the same vernacular. Of course, they appear to have better urban tree canopy than us which is the story with pretty much any Cleveland area neighborhood ?. WE NEED MORE TREES

This is going to be such an incredible asset once it is fully completed all the way to the National Park. Where we lack in our lakefront development, we make up for in having a very impressive regional trail network.

I assume you guys spent that much time there looking into being a potential partner? If so, I urge you guys to stick to what you’ve been doing. We need someone to keep filling in our neighborhood commercial strips with quality product! Have you guys ever looked into the Detroit Ave corridor? Further west towards the Lakewood border? There is a former light warehouse at the northeast corner of w110 and Detroit. I see a for sale sign out front. Always thought this would be such a good spot for apartments/condos. There are a lot of rental properties in the neighborhood, but everything stays pretty full and is quite a popular area. I never have any problems leasing my units with relatively updated finishes. Something like the Tappan would do great! mods, I don’t know how to quote someone in one thread and post to another, so please feel free to move