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I actually thought it was just the name of a specific development over there until right now.

I grew up in the Cleveland area and one of my high school buddies does say "melk." The rest of us all tease him about it though. So it's a Cleveland thing but still weird enough that other Clevelanders think it's weird?

I did not know until Jon Ossoff that it was even possible to run for Congress without living in the district. Bizarre.

They call it a sung-through musical. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sung-through I haven't seen Hamilton yet either, but listening to the soundtrack it seems like they rap through parts that most musicals would just have speaking lines. Then, they put all of it on the album, where most musicals would leave all those speaking parts off the album. So it makes for a really long and drawn out album. Haven't seen Moana.

^^ are you sure we aren't in a current heydey of musicals? There have been quite a few massive mainstream successes in recent years. Hamilton is a bit boring on the soundtrack because they rap through every line of the play, and I think it's hard to get into if you haven't seen it. They ought to release an abridged version.

I have only listened to the soundtrack a few times, not yet seen the show, but this was one of the songs that stood out to me. The soundtrack is so long because the show is sung through the entire way, it can be a lot to absorb the first couple of listens.

I'm cool with anything that at least plausibly sounds like it could have been chosen at least 50 years ago. My alma mater changed from Redskins to "RedHawks" and I just can't stand that capital "H" in the middle of the word for a school that was founded in 1809. If your team has over a century of tradition, pick something old-sounding, not something that sounds like some kind of expansion team in Arizona.

They just opened one in Columbus a few years ago. I wonder what will become of that.

Seems like the path to victory for #SaveTheCrew

You are correct that Clevelanders say it that way, most specifically when referring to Carnegie Avenue. I have no idea the accuracy of this statement, but one time years ago in the Plain Dealer I read that it was Clevelanders who are pronouncing the Andrew Carnegie's name correctly and everyone else is botching it... Anybody know?

Incredibly Cleveland... It's always the car dealers.

More news today - looks like Precourt might be trying to wash his hands of the whole thing. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/01/26/crew-sc-owner-talking-with-potential-investors-in.html?ana=twt

You don't have to stop anyone from competing, just split D1 into three to five competitive divisions. There could even be a promotion and relegation system. It'd certainly give us less lopsided football, but the smaller schools might not actually want it because they'd probably get less revenue.

It may have something to do with the educated young small town kids all moving to Columbus because there's no work in the small towns anymore. The older educated remain in the towns, but the only young people who stay are the ones from the Hillbilly Elegy book. Sad but true.

I'm not sure there's space for another pro football league in America. Is he misinterpreting the NFL's (very relative) decline? Do people want something different than the NFL, or do they just not want to watch as much football anymore?

Very interesting news: Vince McMahon: XFL to return in 2020 without gimmicks Darren Rovell WWE founder and chairman Vince McMahon announced Thursday he is giving a professional football league another go. It will be called the XFL, the same name of the league McMahon and NBC tried for one season in 2001, but it won't rely on flashy cheerleaders and antics as its predecessor did, he said. MORE: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22213241/vince-mcmahon-gimmick-free-xfl-return-2020

This is a very interesting subject. I've seen articles about black Americans turning their AAVE on and off depending on who they're around. Globally, accents tend to be thickest among working class people, so I think most educated people with working class roots have this phenomenon of turning their accent on and off. I wouldn't say my family is working class per se, it's kind of a mix, but if you go back a couple generations then we definitely were working class, so that influence is still there in some ways. It's funny you mentioned Mike Trivisonno a few pages back, I went to the same high school as he did (decades later) and we probably a similar family history, and I always thought he was the quintessential example of whatever accent I might have. I definitely can sound a bit more like him in certain contexts.

That's pretty impressive - that memo might make up for the comic sans lebron memo haha.

It's the nasal 'O'* in 'cot' and an 'aw' sound in 'caught.' Go to 0:43 and listen for a few seconds. *In the Northeast Ohio/Great Lakes accent there is a nasal 'O' which is just as significant as the nasal 'A' but seems lesser known. Shows up in words like 'job' or 'vodka tonic.' I gahhta go to work at my jaahhhb tomorrow so I can only have one vahhhdka tahhnic.

Caught rhymes with thought. Cot rhymes with bot.

The video was saying that even the children/grandchildren of natives to the area do not say "cawwfee" anymore. I do not know enough natives to the area to be familiar with the true situation on the ground. The natives I do know around my age (30) speak with very faint accents, mostly noticeable in the "marry/merry/mary" situation, but don't sound like Bernie Sanders.

It's dying in NY as well though, at least according to the video I posted above discussing Bernie Sanders' Brooklyn accent. Accents, dialects, and even languages often change or die out. Ask those who spoke Latin or old English.

Watch this video, it addresses the pronunciation of "coffee" by NYers:

The Cincy accent is hard to pin down. I'm from Northeast Ohio, went to college at Miami and met a lot of Cincy kids, including befriending a bunch of Catholic school west siders, pretty much the most quintessential Cincinnatians out there. I feel like if I met somebody from there I'd be able to tell they were from there but I couldn't tell you what they actually did that made me recognize it. I used to think they said their A's weird, as in "I'm from Cincinnahhhhhti..." but that's probably more a reflection of how we say our a's up here-- "You're from Cincinnyaaaaaaati."

Warsh comes from everywhere. Off the top of my head I think I've read that it's a German-American thing, present anywhere that had lots of German-Americans... could be wrong though. Not sure about that German thing. Warsh is found from Pennsylvania and West Virginia all the way out to the Great Plains, though.