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Interesting. I think when the Reds were knocked out of the playoffs they slowed down the construction schedule. THey had planned to work overtime to get it done for the World Series, where they to have been in Cincinnati.

No way, that's almost never true, but companies like Populous would love you to believe it. $125 million would lead to an impressive renovation to USBA for college basketball, ECHL hockey and other one off uses. The Yum! Center was $280 million to build (in 2013 dollars). That price obviously doesn't include demolition, which at this site would probably be another $25-30 million due to it's structural role in the GABP plaza thing and the sheer mass of it's design and tight urban location. The demolition of the Astrodome in Texas, which is proposed as just an implosion and is surrounded on three sides by parking lots, is quoted at $80 million. Obviously a much larger structure, but also a significantly easier demolition. No one builds a stadium in a medium market town (us) for less than 50% of the cost being covered by public dollars. Cincinnati and Ham Co are not in positions to even consider that. UC barely scraped together a financing plan to do a $70 million renovation of their Football stadium. Money is TIGHT in the world right now for giant projects like this. There is 0 chance of a new stadium being built downtown or in the west end or anywhere in the next 10 years. Hell, the Banks still needs $40 more million in public dollars just to get built. Riverfront Park probably needs another $20 million from the City to be fully funded. Either UC builds something new on campus (probably around a $225 million build, let alone demolishing something else that's on it's location), or several groups partner to fund a major renovation of USBA for between $100 and $125 million. WIthout getting an NBA or NHL team (both incredibly unlikely) there is no demand to build a legitimately new stadium downtown.

I thought it was open in October? Am I wrong?

Incredibly unlikely.

Still believe it's either on UC or a Downtown renovation and that's it. Here is the size of the Yum! Center placed on UC's campus btw.

There is one tenant who has a lease still in the building. The hair salon. Once the City finds them a new location and moves them there, they can begin planning for demo. Also, because of parking requirements with the Hyatt and Saks, the parking conversion for Tower Place Mall is supposed to happen first. That is supposed to start construction before the end of the year.

^what you said is pretty much all true. Plus, I'd rather have our regions most prestigious, largest shopping center 15-20 minutes from downtown in Kenwood than in Mason or some other far off destination. The City owns the building that Saks is in. I hope they tear it down and replace it with a tower with first floor retail.

Those are the correct parcels. It's owned by North American Properties now and being developed by Greiwe Development. This is the same partnership that has "fulfilled Mary Emery's vision" in Mariemont with the 4 phase development near the square. Their MO is high quality, high density, high price condos near town squares. While I loved that art deco-ish building at the corner that has come down, I'm certain this will be a great edition to Hyde Park's core. here is what they did in Mariemont: Here is a map showing the properties in relation to the center of Mariemont:

I'm not worried about the Saks leaving. Retail is changing dramatically. Malls are declining, shopping in general is declining as more people buy things online, etc. I would LOVE to see this building torn down and a high rise replace it.

In 2009 a COAST backed Republican, Brad Wenstrup got over 40% of the vote against Mallory. We can't pretend only democrats and moderates live in Cincinnati. If conservatives are given a reason to show up they will. I volunteered at a polling location as well. Lots of wealthy white conservative women handing out Save Cincinnati ballots at my spot too. Cranley won with Blacks and wealthy republicans and benefitted because most moderates and progressives didn't show up to vote. There are a million factors to blame, poor campaign, mallory is incredibly unpopular outside of downtown and OTR, parking deal, etc. Cranley will agree on most things. He has close ties to 3CDC and loves the Banks. But there will likely be less deal making for major downtown projects. However, his attitude is very negative quite often, which is certainly about 80% of what the Mayor can actually do. He's more of a fighter(for good causes as well) but less of a statesmen, which is what Mayor is.

If it was full by 8:30AM they are charging too little. $3 all day parking is pretty ridiculous.

<b>New restaurant, bar project planned for Short Vine: EXCLUSIVE October 21, 2013 Tom Demeropolis | Courier</b> Dan Schimberg’s vision for Short Vine just keeps getting bigger. Schimberg is president of Uptown Rental Properties LLC, which owns, manages and develops residential rental units across Cincinnati. “This is the hottest up and coming business district in the city,” Schimberg said. And Schimberg isn’t just saying that. In recent years, Short Vine has been booming, adding a number of new restaurants, such as Taste of Belgium and Mio’s Pizzeria. And Uptown Rental Properties, with partner North American Properties, has built a number of new apartments in the area. Views on Vine opened earlier this year, and their next apartment project, which will add 166 apartments on Euclid Avenue, is a $30 million project. By 2015, a total of 1,000 more people will be living on Short Vine, just east of the University of Cincinnati main campus. Schimberg’s latest acquisition is a large shopping center right in the heart of Short Vine. An affiliate of Uptown Rental Properties purchased the Colonnade at Corryville for more than $1.5 million. The property is located at 2718 Vine St. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2013/10/21/new-restaurant-bar-project-planned.html This is very interesting. He's moving all clients out, and will do a "couple" million dollar renovation to the entire property. Removing the dated 90's era sculpture thing and renovating all storefronts. He wants to attract bars and restaurants and will renovate the garage. I'm pretty surprised by this actually. This 1 story late 80's/early 90's development is ripe for a teardown and rebuild with multi story housing. He says he'll have more details in a few weeks.

Got it. I'd like to see the railroad sold by the city and the amount used to upgrade the Chicago-Cincinnati rail line for 110 mph passenger trains by day and fast intermodal freight trains by night. That would never work. The railroad currently provides $19 million of annual capital to Cincinnati each year. Just to be clear, The City only spends about $60 or so million in general capital each year. So the railroad is about 1/3 of the City's general capital expenditures. Secondly, there would never be a City who took one of its most valuable assets, sold it (which they wouldn't get near the full value for- it's estimated to be valued at over $1 billion, but Norfolk southern isn't going to pay that), then funded an upgrade through two other states for a service managed by a federal agency and hoped that sources outside of their control (Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Federal government) didn't stop the service at some point in the future. City's should never ever ever be funding things through other states, let alone very far outside their own borders. If they were going to leverage it in another way, it should be for more rail in Cincinnati. OR for major terminal upgrades at Union Terminal as part of an increase in passenger service due to an upgrade on the line to Chicago. But not sell the line to fund the upgrades ourselves.

John- When is the CfP mail piece going out? I was volunteering for roxanne recently and we were knocking on doors for people who already said they had voted. Also, Roxanne is probably out funded 2-1 by John right now.

Ice can definitely be an issue, both on the wires and in the switches. They will probably run the cars continously, even in the middle of the night, to keep ice from forming on the wires. Most modern light rail and streetcar systems have switch-warmers thes days. Thanks for this explanation. Why do we still have people who get so defensive every time someone asks about a potential issue? It's like it's some personal attack to ask questions. (Obviously not referring to quimbob or John). That makes sense that for parts of the winter they may still run streetcars after hours to prevent icing. John (or others), how many lights are being adjusted to give preference to Streetcars. Is the driver going to be able to hold a light for an extra 30 seconds, etc?

Ya- Signs get stolen all the time. I've heard from one particular campaign that they are upset their signs are disappearing. It's annoying sure, but it happens to everyone, always. It's probably a mix of people opposed to you, and just kids being kids. Taking a 4x8 sign though is a big deal, simply because of how much work it is.

Www.roxannequalls.com

Volunteer or donate to a streetcar candidate this week.

It's possible he cancels it, but it would be difficult and would come with massive costs. He would first need 5 members of council willing to fire Dohoney right away (there are likely some anti-streetcar people who sill wouldn't fire Dohoney right away). Then he would need to be willing to spend nearly $70 million canceling the project (paying back all utilities for work already done) paying profits to MPD and CAF, paying expenses incurred to both groups and millions in legal fees. And of course, returning the $44 million in federal grants. We would have rail in the ground and wouldn't have saved any money.

Cranley would have to fire and replace the city manager before that could happen.

I agree. Also I don't think of the caps as big priorities right now. The city has very scarce capital dollars. I'd rather see more vacant buildings filled first or the park move further along. Or the streetcar continue further up the hill.

Cobblestones will cover this cement pour for the entire length. Rail likely to be delivered in 2 weeks. I've been told overall things are moving slightly quicker than expected.

very cool indeed. but the wrong thread :) I was very confused at first about new buildings next to St. Xavier Park. Someone has also posted the article in General Economic news for Cincinnati.

It wasn't bought by John Cranley. It was bought by John Cranley's dad- they have the same name. I would bet as he is very old now, that John Cranley is a property controller, however. It's also a horribly underutilized building full of half vacant class C office space. I also bet he's had to refuse several redevelopment offers in order to show that he doesn't profit off the streetcar.

You know no "people around lunken" are reading this and you're just saying that to anger everyone on here who knows that 4 new flights a week when we're down from 130k to 70k isn't going to be noticeable. it's the typical mason/cranley ideology that stops good ideas.