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Clifton is on the Left of this image, UC is above the image. And it looks like the banks because it's the same architects- CR Architecture (formerly Cole + Russell).

jmicha is right- They are closing off Hartshorn street and moving it over so the intersection is opposite the parking garage entrance between UPA and Calhoun. The image we are looking at is from the perspective of above the roof of the UPA, looking southwest- ie. Clifton ave is to the right of the buildings in this image. Phase 1 of U Square at the loop is from the back of the buildings abutting Clifton, to the back of the shell station at Ohio Ave. Phase 2 is the development across from St. George.

I really hope everyone can be there tonight. It's really crucial. This meeting was planned by opponents to try to STOP the project. They THINK they can get more people there, but we need to be there in full force. 6PM at City Hall- please be there!

Uptown Properties, a major redevelopment and rental/leasing firm, recently was in the preservation spotlight for their demolition of historic homes on Euclid Avenue in Corryville. Since Uptown appears to have the total support of the Corryville Community council, whatever they want to purchase and then demolish for constructing more apartments will apparently be rubber-stamped and considered a done deal. Corryville apparently does not want to be known for historic architecture, but as a large apartment community serving the housing needs of nearby UC students. It also appears the Community Council includes developers as members so not surprisingly redevelopment projects receive a sympathic reception. While I think Corryville did have some outstanding historic architecture, if everyone in the decision-making process is on-board with it being replaced with apartments, then my opinion is worth nothing. It's really depressing- Who owns that building currently? It's really gorgeous. I'm so sickened by the idiocy of the members of the Corryville community council and local corryville leaders. really disheartening to see them destroying so many great properties.

No one in their right mind would go to P&G or anyone else and guilt them. This isn't a foreign concept-- when the park board is building something they go to P&G and say- hey guys, we're building this awesome new pavilion down by the river and we think this would be a great opportunity for naming rights, etc. P&G doesn't say- hey park board, build a pavilion and we'll pay for it. The city should approach these corporations, give them a genuine pitch as to why it is in their interest to help this project, and hopefully they do. Regarding 5/3 and Fountain Square- All private corporate funding for Fountain Square totaled just under $5 million of the $43 million funding. To say that 5/3 funded the "majority" of the project is a fallacy: Private Conventional 1st Mortgage $15,000,000 New Market Tax Credits $10,750,000 Cincinnati Equity Fund $4,000,000 Corporate/Philanthropic Contribution $4,905,621 Urban Redevelopment Loan $4,000,000 Public City of Cincinnati $4,000,000.

^ Of course you would. P&G just posted a $2.7 billion profit about two weeks ago. Many public infrastructure projects receive corporate backing- BofA provided major funding for LYNX, Duke has pitched in $6 million for the streetcar, and these corporations, many of which give millions to name pavilions in parks, etc. should definitely be approached by the city to join as corporate partners.

^ hopefully-- I don't think it is any more than a 50/50 chance- but that's definitely the plan- $9 million to complete it is nothing if split by the Banks developers, 5/3 and P&G as private investment.

^ Wow-- Those are almost entirely BAD GOVERNMENT ballot measures- If Smitherman had half a brain he'd know that if the city and county wanted to merge police and sheriffs departments, the city charter ALREADY requires a vote. The city charter says the city must have an established police department. If we are going to get rid of it- the charter must be amended- the charter can only be amended via a vote of the people. It's embarrassing for the local NAACP that he is in charge. Recalling the mayor!? Where does that even come from-- Smitherman... just because you want to be the mayor doesn't mean everyone wants to recall our current mayor and give you his job. Although- if we were to have a recall ability- I'd prefer it came from council- Something like- a Super Super majority- 7 out of 9 votes to recall the mayor. How many cities even allow mayoral recalls?? Most states don't even allow gubernatorial recalls. Obviously the streetcar one is just bad politics-- It's a stupid measure-- Chris Finney admitted that 10 years was an arbitrary number that they just happened to choose. And While I do think Dohoney's proposed $20 a month garbage fee is far too high-- the vast majority of major US cities have trash fees and many in our state do. It's not unreasonable to have to pay $5-10 a month for garbage pick up. And even if you think we shouldn't pay for it-- Ballot measures like this are NOT the right way to do it. Talking to your council-members is!

^ couldn't agree more.

^ regarding that same area of houses: http://www.urbancincy.com/2011/02/122m-urban-stream-reclamation-project-includes-potentially-huge-impacts/

With respect- I couldn't disagree more-- Expanding the end of the Oasis line closer to the stadiums would cost roughly $20 million following the streetcars own cost per mile projection - Streetcars are all about stops every roughly 800-1000 feet. The Oasis line doesn't have any development along it. Stops would be at minimum a mile apart- and through very sparsely populated areas- It doesn't have stations or stops- there's a few more million- We'll put a minimum of $50 million in to it and a year or two of construction (it takes about 18 months to get a streetcar... they don't just sit on lots waiting) and no one will ride it since no one lives along the line and there is low development potential along the proposed oasis line. Since no one will ride it it will be derided as a failure and a boondoggle. Really don't think that's feasible.

^ it's simple economics really- amazing more people don't realize this. I've been trying to figure out the timeline for future development at the Banks- The garage that is currently under construction and the rest of Freedom way will be opening in the fall. Is there no construction planned for 2013? I believe there are NO set dates for: the condos next to Current the hotel next to Current residential/retail development above the garage currently under construction any further garage construction the restaurant spaces on the grass lot south of NURFC Can anyone verify or correct me if i'm wrong? thanks

^ it's been amazing feat- No accidents in over 330,000 work hours, and actually it's better than Randy says- That phrase is poorly marked on their website. Later on it says: "Phase 2a construction budget of $52.3 million remains within budget." They actually haven't gone over budget this entire time.

^ the comments on there are ridiculous- People are so stupid sometimes.

Ok-- so what do we do-- Obviously protests aren't enough- Some law has to change. Does anyone know what other cities do??

^ in some ways true--- BUT the fact that we are basically in last place for alternative energy has nothing to do with the fact that we still have factories-- You can have the dirtiest factory but still power it by wind or solar power!

Btw- there is actually an Internet basket and it is full of Gannet eggs.

^ you're assuming they think. However, in Gannett's recent quarterly statement they posted revenue declines in every category except online ad revenue. They are putting all their eggs in the Internet basket. I'm guessing they don't feel like the ad revenue on smartphones and ipads comes close to that of suburban residents logging in online

^ so what can we do to make sure this never happens again? What specifically needs to change at city hall.

^ Is anyone aware of preservation rules in other cities that prevent tearing down of these buildings for speculative construction?? I highly doubt any construction will start at this site in the next two years. Tearing a building down does NOT take that long. Why can't we wait till they sign off on a site, begin planning construction, and THEN tear a building down (while I'm still against that... at least it doesn't just increase our empty lots).

Until the move in February, 3CDC had their offices in the Kroger building. That's the only thing I can think of

Wow. I had no idea. Do you have any details or pointers to where to look for information? I would start with an email to Chad Munitz at 3CDC- But like I said-- they aren't just helping anyone who owns a property-- 3CDC has about 13 properties (shown in the most recent OTR work Group April 2011 PDF on their website) that they have slated to become single family homes with individual owners. If you like one of their properties, they will work with you to get the financing and a developer. http://www.3cdc.org/images/editor/OTR%20workgroup%20-%20April%2019%20(NXPowerLite).pdf There are three that are right next to each other- on 14th between Pleasant and Elm- I would love any of those! But I'm not in the market to rehab-

It may not be a GREAT location but you're acting like it's unreachable. It's no less reachable than the Target that it is right next to. The city is about to start on the Kennedy connector making it easier to get to- Metro busses drive along the development-- (Marburg). It has easy access from the North (Via Ridge or soon via Kennedy) East (via madison to the road connecting madison to Marburg) and the south via Ridge or Madison again... It does not have access via the west or northwest. It's also easily accessible from 562 and 71. It's not hard to get to.

http://statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=90789 wow-- that's depressing.

^true, Ohio won't do anything to fix it... but Cincinnati is the only Ohio stop along the Cardinal. It enters the state from indiana, crosses through Hamilton, then to Cincy and then to Kentucky. So It's more so if Indiana and Kentucky want to do some work on the line. Our little stretch wouldn't make much of a difference. If the Cardinal was ~6 hours to Chicago instead of about 9 I would totally take it. 9 hours is just too much for me :(