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One problem is downtown is adjacent to residential dead zones. Having healthy adjacent neighborhoods will also contribute to downtown retail. Below is a figure from their report showing the major downtown clusters. I think this is pretty telling, and the blobs I sketched out in red need some popultion growth.

It amazes me that Scranton Peninsula is now seeing apartments being built while the Flats West is still pretty much all parking lots. 10-15 years ago I would never have expected this trajectory.

Nautica seems horrible. They do nothing with these parking lots and want to create more? The tax code should be revised to punish this type of thing.

That's a pretty small space for 55 units. Perhaps the buildings east of the Treehouse are also getting torn down for this development?

Why Ukrainian and Latino migrations to Chicago worked out so differently Interesting article about immigration to Chicago, particularly the amount of recent Ukrainian immigrants. This number in much more substantial then I would have guessed. Has Cleveland seen an uptick in Ukrainian immigration during the current conflict? If so, any ideas on the numbers? Side note - Chicago's Ukranian Village, while still noticably Ukrainian to some extent, is more-or-less a gentrified neighborhood and I'd suspect most of those coming in from the Ukrain end up in the suburbs. In Cleveland I'm guessing they would end up in Parma?

A large lot in SF in one of the city's more desirable neighborhoods? Maybe if you add a zero to the end of that figure.

The historic campus is an intersting concept but seems like a poor use of land for the central business dictrict. Not to mention that I don't have much confidence in pulling off the architectual details on these buildings.

Looks like a solid development IMO. Assume the townhomes be for-sale units? That developer seems to be busy these days.

Any other insight on this? Is the Virgil Brown Center eyesore being done away with? There's a mass of parcels here if redeveloped with mixed uses would lowkey be pretty transformational IMO. Probably more so than some other higher-profile concepts around Cleveland being discussed. I've only heard about the Greyhound site from KJP's article.

Most excited for the riverfront development because, along with the development of Scranton Peninsula and the Flats, provides the opportunity to bridge the gap between Downtown and Ohio City with a new neighborhood that would be very unique to Cleveland. I'm also more bullish that the people leading the charge on this will be more successful in moving things forward. The lakefront development will be an improvement but I have a lot of the same qualms that CleveFan mentions above. Also the fact this site has seen multiple visions over the decades without action, and needs cooperation from ODOT, leaves me a bit skeptical.

FYI - there is an updated new survey posted on the City's website about the project for providing feedback. https://clevelandnorthcoast.com/

Noticed they sneaked in a "20 year vision for TOD" to the east.

I'd speculate you'd get more blight in undesirable areas as already stressed owners would have incentive to abandon their properties. On the flip side I believe you'd also see more positive momentum in desirable areas as it would incentivize more appropriate development of underutilized properties. Overall sounds like an idea I'd be in favor of but it probably can't be approached with a "one size fits all" type policy.

Looks like some more thought has been put to this, but I still would like to see a larger residential component or this area is going to be underutilized throughout much of the year. Why not pursue highrise residential buildings instead of the midrises that are shown?

I was speaking generally, but good to hear Ohio is doing something about this. In Illinois (my previous state of residence) it just seemed to get worse over the years.

Ohio's gerrymandering looks like child's play compared to what I was used to coming from Illinois. Unfortunately I don't see this game ending anytime soon.

I think Short North is further along in the gentrification/revitalization process than Ohio City or Tremont, and thus can now demand higher cost developments. There's been some nice progress, but I still see under-utilized lots, run down properties, chain-link fences, etc. when I look around Ohio City and Tremont.

I think this revised concept would be fine if they improved on the facade, which should not be a major ordeal. Pretty much like dave2017 shows above. I say build it. Hopefully the Lutheran parking lot sites can provide more inspiring designs once that gets rolling at some point. Empty lots, run down properties, and poor decisions from the past are more of concern to me than new developments not being architectural masterpieces...the Cleveland market is not going to demand many of those. Even newer buildings downtown like the Beacon and Lumen are not exactly the greatest IMO.

45 West site is just odd. Almost surprised they would take this on without at least the auto site parcel on the corner. I assume the owner of the auto site didn't want to sell, which is disappointing given it's a shabby auto lot. I can at least understand the gas station not wanting to move, even if I don't like it. That said, I think the proposal is pretty good given the awkward site and all of the neighborhood complaints. Vibrator Co. site proposal looks great.

Pretty dubious list. Cleveland more expensive than Chicago or Boston? No way.

Hopefully it can be a mix, given the size of the site could house multiple housing options. I think market rate townhomes along 74th/75th and a mixed-use building with affordable units fronting Detroit would be a good use of the site.

That's good and all compared to an empty lot, but that stretch of Detroit Ave from Lake Ave to West Blvd needs some market rate development. Seems like there's too much of a concentration of subsidized housing through that stretch. Smells a lot like Uptown in Chicago, which was held back for decades relative to surrounding neighborhoods for that reason.

This thread brought to mind these row houses built in Chicago. One of the better attempts to recreate the older style buildings

OK, back on topic. Anyone know what's going on with the plaza at Huron & Euclid. Looks like some construction equipment has been out there.

I just moved into downtown Cleveland from Chicago, so I get where you're coming from. To me the most glaring void is the lack of vitality once you get north of Chester and east of E. 12th. You really get a "no man's land" feeling over there. I think filling in this area out to the innerbelt would do wonders. The said, Playhouse Square is looking pretty good and this is the area where I decided to move to. A decade ago I certainly wouldn't have chose to live downtown.