Burnham_2011

Does anyone remember what the latest (last) comment from the city was about the Public Auditorium? I haven't seen the inside of it in years, and don't know much about the rooms, halls, venues, but wonder if it would ever make a good multi-use building. Apartments, Hotel, Condominiums, retail, restaurants... It would take LOTS of money and I don't expect that to be the reality for any time in the near term, but has anyone ever heard discussions for future (creative?) uses?

Couldn't help myself...

Maybe this should go in the Mall/Convention Center forum, but I've always thought that 3rd street should be covered (not closed, at the ends, but covered) like the Kogod Courtyard in D.C.'s portrait gallery. http://americanart.si.edu/visit/images/courtyard.jpg Having some sort of technology hub in this area would require it to be fully enclosed, but maybe it could be built in the main library's western side adjacent to E. 3rd... new windows could make this transparent and "connected" to the E 3rd Mall gateway... dreams, perhaps... :drunk:

I wonder what kind of inter-institution communications is going on in the Cleveland Government these days... Considering the Group Plan has talked a lot about using E. 3rd as a new green space and perhaps having some kind of enclosure. Since a lot of talk with regard to the group plan has been about making the mall more functional (an extension of real urban uses and not just park space surrounded by monumental buildings), I wonder if large amounts of money (12M) should have these long term broader projects in mind. We all know the Group Plan isn't something that will happen in one fell swoop, but it seems to be essential that any and all major public plans should be done with the longest of terms in mind.

If we had 515 style parking garages (assuming you mean with the option of additional floors built above for residential) w/retail on the first floor, then sure -- bring them onto the WHD. But it's more likely that if the Garages on the north end of the mall go, any new parking garages would be cement chunks taking up the best blocks for future development. But I would love to see some 515 style development ...really anywhere!

"From the standpoint of the health-care industry, Cleveland is going to become the hub in the United States :clap: " I wish the Plain Dealer could write something half that positive. Though since it's from thetennessean.com maybe it's transitive and CDC can only write those kinds of things about other cities... :-D

The smaller bubbles just mean you can only "walk" to small area around the station (bus, metro, subway) before it would take 6 minutes or so. So if you drop the pin at the Terminal Tower you'll see you can get to a lot of stations and the closer the station the further away from it you can walk before hitting 5 minutes. So the bubbles shrink at each successive station away from the Terminal Tower.

Pictures? :roll:

Cities around the country (world) boast about their public transportation options and walk-ability. Though Cleveland has a strong bus presence, (and solid RTA Rapid coverage) it would seem that there is much work to be done. This website shows, in pretty spectacular form, how walkable a city can be. Note that bus and subway stops become "reachable" in under 10, 15, 20 minutes (etc.) before the areas between their respective stops. Drop the point in the "burbs" and you'll immediately see how important public transit is. http://www.mapnificent.net/cleveland/#/?lat0=41.4980489964127&lng0=-81.69459340845947&t0=15&lat=41.48593007965399&lng=-81.68862817561035&zoom=13

I was only writing off of a report I read on the U.C. forum -- thank you for correcting me though. As for: and if someone thinks you can plop a market rate apartment at East 60th and Euclid Avenue by itself right now... good luck with that. I specifically wrote the equation as Psych Hospital now, Urban developments later. We do have to be realistic, Euclid Avenue from PS to UC is nearly 4 miles long, that's half the length of Manhattan. It would take a century of strong leadership and intelligent design to make the full corridor an urban artery with retail/residential/commercial activity at every intersection -- however, one asset Cleveland has an abundance of is land -- why not build these projects one block north or south of the EC and allow the corridor the develop as the market sees. Sure, right now E18 and Euclid is more valuable than E55 or E60, but over time that will change (if left alone). By placing government service buildings here we are potentially shifting (forever) the future value of the adjacent blocks. Though I completely understand the idea of taking any reasonable projects/development now. I just think we are either at the dawn of sustained urban growth, or the precipice of another missed opportunity with regard to the EC.

<ClevelandOhio> wrote: "Whatever happened to the row of buildings on prospect where the family sportswear and goldfish store(i know they didnt sell goldfish) where/are?" Has anyone mentioned what this row of three (four?) buildings has in store? Seems as though the Volks building would be just as appealing if not less so than the dark building on the SouthWestern corner of 4th and Prospect. And with the small adjacent parking lot facing the entrance to E4 one would imagine the development possibilities being pretty amazing. (Sorry if this has been covered before)

@327 (and others) - I've heard a lot of discontent over these two developments, and also other general anti-urban policies along Euclid Avenue (the most recent being the new hotel up in U.C. requiring dramatic back setting from the street), and, you may recall, the new CSU buildings are all individual buildings set off of the sidewalk. My question is, does anyone here talk to, or find themselves in conversations with government officials who can change this? The City Council and Mayor can and should --must(?)-- be looking at the Euclid Corridor from the perspective we share. Clearly a psych hospital in 2012 is less valuable than market rate apartments and commercial buildings (even if its in 2020 or so...) Do any of you advocate directly? Does UO have an avenue for this?

That's what they (Bingham) said. I was asking about moving in by Feb. 1, they said they hoped to be at full (which is not really 100% but close) occupancy by spring. Not sure how long ago this happened, but apparently it's under new management, and the place looks nice (gym had new equipment, rooms seem clean and nice for their prices), and being a DC resident looking for an urban apartment is sort of new (D.C. real estate could be its own thread, and I don't recommend it...).

No update here (sorry!) but just a general question... Since there seemed to be a lot of projects on the drawing boards circa 2005 & 2006, that were subsequently wiped out or postponed by the G.R. I wondered if anyone had thoughts on the possibility for a stark-like development in the WD in the upcoming years. I was recently (last month) looking at apartments in the WD to move there, and asked about occupancy. The Bingham and Bridgeview both said 85% and 90% respectively. I don't know about the others, but it would seem, to me, that those numbers indicate enough mass to warrant new projects. And more residents will clearly need/mean more retail. ...and how does (if at all) FEB play into this?

Hts, you said it. I used to read CDC all the time (in the days before UO) and I felt like I needed to take some aspirin beforehand to avoid cardiac issues. My blood would just boil. As for marketing this great city, I had a thought... I currently live in Washington, DC and "talk up" Cleveland to my friends all the time. I've found that "google earth" tends to be the best way to show people the unique place that Cleveland is. Seeing 3 major stadiums, beautiful old architecture, lake views, and urban streetscapes all condensed downtown with transportation connections to a world class cultural campus (UC), market district, little italy, and more gets people excited and they immediately forget what they initially thought of the city. The pdf's recently published for the group plan by LMN that contained ideas for connecting Cleveland included a heavy emphasis on streetscaping and urban furniture that make regions unique. The WHD, EC, Playhouse Sq., UC etc. I think we need to continue to promote these as distinct regions, and make sure tourists and visitors know "where they are" within the city at all times. "Sell" the idea of "Go Fourth" or "The Nation's other Broadway", and think BIG. People will have their opinions regardless, (just read CDC) so we might as well promote Cleveland as a place you'd never want to leave once you get here.

Has anyone posted this before? http://www.forumarc.com/projects/mixed/default.htm#2 I know we've seen multiple drawings of development, some that just show the hotel and E&Y tower, others show much more development, and these (above) seem to show an entire new community! Has anyone heard of legitimate "phases" that Wolstein plans to develop? Since they own all that land out to the river, would they be the only ones to do it? Any chance a vibrant multi-building campus is actually in their long term plans?

I didn't mention Eaton as part of the FEB but rather as an example of a large employer leaving downtown, which is what I'm worried about with FEB. But I agree with the above, developments aren't bad, and the E9th buildings aren't going anywhere. Hopefully it will inspire further reconsideration of the buildings downtown. I personally think the most important part is the connectivity of the FEB area to the WHD. People need to be able to walk to W6th for lunch and back, and that foot traffic will inspire development between. We can't have islands of development!

So this is my inaugural post on UO, :wave: though I've been a long time reader. I'm a big big fan of these forums as you all seem to a) have lots of good information and b) actually CARE about these projects and have a positive attitude about them. Unlike the Cleveland.com forum which is so truly depressing. Today, however, under the article in the PD on the FEB project, there was one comment that really struck me (perhaps because it was... intelligent.) The commenter was talking about real-estate development v. economic development. Here is a piece of his post: cask23 December 21, 2010 at 8:48AM "Real estate development in NE Ohio is a zero-sum game. Each new development must “steal” its commercial leasers and its residential renters from another NE Ohio location and more property adds supply driving down lease and rent prices making it more difficult for existing building owners to stay in business. The E&Y gain for the new flats office building will be a loss for Huntington building. We have been living the past 2-3 decades confusing real estate development with economic development. Real estate development is easy to confuse with economic development; the buildings are shiny and new, a temporary boost is provided locally through construction jobs, and politicians get to have photo ops at ribbon cutting ceremonies. If you didn’t know any better, you’d think we were experiencing progress. Economic development, on the other hand, is the exercise of fostering growth of long-term sustainable and good paying jobs through brining new companies to the region and encouraging organic growth of existing companies." I won't argue that there are dozens of new retail/restaurants and even new apartments/condos in downtown, but for the commercial real-estate, and the broader growth we're still lacking. I love seeing the projects going up in Cleveland, and seeing the new developments take shape. There is certainly forward progress in many respects. But it seems true, to me, that the commercial sector is (on the whole) diminishing downtown. Eaton Corp. was the latest BIG blow to the economy. Does anyone have any thoughts/info on how FEB and work around Euclid and 9th are capable of economic development instead of just real estate development? We need to fill FEB and E9th and Euclid, but it seems we're mostly redirecting what's left. :? Thoughts on the true benefits of projects like FEB?