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This one is significant because of the size of land and the location (adjacent to Legacy Village and Beachwood Place). From Cleveland.com: Land's future only a guess if Acacia sells Posted by Jim Nichols August 19, 2008 20:16PM LYNDHURST -- Lyndhurst Mayor Joseph Cicero hopes the prospect of Acacia Country Club's sale and development will roll out as smoothly as a putt on one of the golf club's well-tended greens. But if the past is a predictor, Cicero should expect some of the same uncivil unrest that roiled his city and other eastern suburbs when the Legacy Village shopping center next door to the club was first proposed. "We've come a long way since then," Cicero said on Tuesday. "There were a lot of fears then that proved to be unfounded."

^ Chester between E. 18th and E. 25th. AKA between the soccer dome and the innerbelt ramp.

It seems that some might prefer the pre-Schwartz days when there was only one place to live on campus - an old Holiday Inn.

Well, these students will be adding foot traffic to that part of Euclid. Which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for the other side of the innerbelt bridge on Euclid.

Mind all of you, this is being built overlooking the innerbelt, of which is going to see a lot of construction, demolition, dust, and smoke flying around in the years to come. It's good this is happening now than waiting 15 years for the innerbelt to be re-configured.

^ Awesome indeed! I sure am glad a write up has been done - it answers many of my questions about this mysterious project. I hope he builds out the house he has planned on my street in South Euclid - it's just as unique and is also set on a hill with dramatic floorplans.

I don't see anything wrong with them. It's going to be built right up to the sidewalk, replacing a surface lot and ugly bookstore with a brick building full of windows and people living inside who don't have cars. CSU costs a fourth of what it costs to goto CWRU and these are very similar to the new dorms over there that have a football field in the middle, hidden off of Euclid. I thought we all agreed on filling in surface lots and focusing on low-rise density throughout as the way to go, as opposed to building scattered high rises. CSU is slowly filling in the remaining gaps on the campus and is being very urban friendly with every single project. The new Admin building on Euclid has a restaurant on the ground level, which fronts the sidewalk on Euclid. Same thing with Fenn Tower, being beautifully restored and accessible on Euclid. They didn't need to go that way but they did. I am sure these dorms will not be setback with lawn like Cleveland Clinic, UH, and CWRU tend to do with all of their new projects. Let's give credit to CSU on this one. Also, the design looks nearly identical to the brick building on Euclid at E. 71st that is in the process of being transformed into lofts. I think that building is beautiful.

I am from Cleveland and don't know too much about Cincinnati's new developments, but I wanted to know more about Ovation - 1 billion really WOWED me. I'd like to know what it will consist of for anyone on the up and up.

^ OMG, I just read what I wrote in Jan. 2007 about east vs. west, but that was east side of city of Cleveland vs west side of city of Cleveland, which is a LOT different than east side suburbs vs. west side suburbs vs. south or any of that. As one of the moderators said above, for no vs. discussion, clevelandrocks, I am totally willing to share why I like it more on the east side with you, but I am not at all interested in saying one area is better, because honestly, I love both equally. But the south side, damn, that's a whole 'nother story.. j/k. :) I for one, have nothing bad to say about the west side. As a matter of fact, I have often found more similarities between the two sides than differences. Again though, I am referring to the entire Cleveland metro area when I think of "east side" and "west side" (and sometimes "south side"). The reason I like living on the east side better is because there is more accessibility to vegetarian and health foods, the main of which is Whole Foods, somewhere I had visited in Columbus, Toronto, NYC, and Long Island, and of which, I had longed for one in the Cleveland area. When one finally opened up in 2007, I was living in Lakewood, finding myself shopping there 3-4 times a week, so I eventually realized when I eat out and go grocery shopping, it's more often on the east side, so I decided to move closer to those places. So for me, it was a move that was based on my lifestyle and had little to do with much else. I still find myself in Lakewood and the west side area no less than once a week: Lakewood Park, Edgewater, and "Melt Bar & Grilled" to name a few examples. I do admit however, that I never go to Seven Hills unless I'm visiting my parents! I think I cruise right past Seven Hills to goto Akron more often than I actually get off I-77. :D

I was born in Virginia, moved to and lived in Seven Hills (southern Cuyahoga County) most of my life, then lived in Lakewood for 2 years, and finally moved to South Euclid this year. Main reason for moving there: proximity to the new Whole Foods. And so far, I love the east side 10 times more than the west side and 50 times more than the south side! :D

^ What is disgusting about it? Do you know the story behind it and the deep meaning it displays? To me, that is a masterpiece.

I would love to visit Dubai to see the architecture and the cranes everywhere. I don't think it'd be about anything else. Only problem, last time I looked it up for the heck of it, a plane ticket was around 4000 dollars.

MTS, that's great that it's one huge ass park, but what does that do for Cleveland? Goto Lakewood Park and find swings, pools, a performance stage, a skatepark, a pier, and so on, people of all ages enjoying themselves for an entire afternoon. Goto Central Park and find breakdancers, a skate rink, full grown trees, joggers, sunbathers, bike rentals, horse rides and get lost in the park for an entire day. Goto Mall B and be bored in 5 minutes. I walk, ride, and jog in downtown all the time and I never want to hang out in the Mall area. Either a homeless person will ask me for money or I will simply be bored because nothing is ever going on. I'd rather see more public events (the outdoor movie thing is a start), I'd also like to see better crossing options (Coventry in C. Hts. knows how it's done), I'd like more trees, more rocks, public restrooms, underground walkways leading to the Arcade and Tower City and NOT to a parking garage, I'd like outdoor festivals all year round and not just in July and August, I'd like to see public art on display, art festivals, anything. Maybe then I'd defend Mall A, B, and C. Maybe move the Free Stamp to Mall B and tear down Willow Park. As for the Mall closest to City Hall and the overlook near Browns Stadium, put some binoculars out, build real overlook viewing area, connect the Mall something other than parking garages. As for the Federal Building's new plaza's full of trees. I would rather have seen some sort of mixed-used project offering retail on a ground or underground level topped with green space. It's not going to be utilized other than M-F 9-5 - a great smoking pit for employees who will have no need to leave their "job site" now. If we accept everything as it is, this city will never grow or be better. I want more. I demand more. And you should too. The parking lots suck, the Malls need to be utilized better, and so forth. If we constantly defend bad ideas because it's the only idea, then we lose in the long run. Many of those people with ideas and demands get sick of being shot down and they leave to go somewhere their ideas are more accepted. I am not exactly too happy with the fact that the Convention Center is being steered by $ and the Tower City location was a given a year ago, so Nance doesn't need to tell us, because we already knew how this would pan out. Again - who cares what would work or look good - let's just steer the future with a few powerful players. I'm damn sure if the Convention Center WAS built near the Malls, they would finally be utilized properly.

This is awesome! One of my favorite pieces of public art that has been sitting in a field of overgrown grass where nobody could appreciate it! I am assuming the new location is the the SW corner of Chester/18 which is basically right in front of the Business Building at the pocket park in front of the parking deck.

No, I didn't forget, why? There is way too much open public space in downtown. If the space was better utilized, then I'd see a cause to keep it preserved. But when I am downtown at 5:30pm walking to Browns Stadium from E. 9th and Lakeside, passing an empty Willow Park and an empty Mall A, B, and C, I ask myself, "if nobody uses this space during a busy Friday afternoon, pre-Browns event", then what is their purpose? Perhaps we should tear down the "old" convention center and build a Malls D and E. /sarcasm.

There are too many malls, parks, plaza's, and public space in downtown Cleveland. 3 or so blocks at Public Square, 3 malls near that, the new plaza's on both sides of the Federal Building, the park at E. 12th, Willow Park, Voinovich Park, Settlers Landing, and whatever other parks I'm missing. I really wouldn't be upset if the Civic Center had one less mall and one more building in its place.

^ Haha! I agree! But remember, the county has 3 commissioners and only 1 is out. Shouldn't stop this from happening. If it does, then I smell corruption on the national level!

The traffic on Darrow Road is already awful. For the most part, it's one lane in each direction and during rush hour, everybody leaves their industrial park using the only entrance/exit, meaning those parkway's have enormous backup traffic. That's the problem with exurbia and why industrial parks and subdivisions simply suck. One way in, one way out. If that entrance/exit is ever blocked, then bamm, everyone is stuck inside. As a cross-example, a city with a grid system or even a place with windy roads but many cross intersections such as Cleveland Heights, this problem ceases to exist. I would think that the area was never built to be a retail haven, let alone an industrial center and now it's almost too late to spend 100's of millions of dollars to fix the road system - it wouldn't just involve widening a few main arteries, but also adding sidewalks (which cease to exist in Twinsburg) as well as new on-ramps, off-ramps, turning lanes, and so forth. Until that stuff happens, this project is not feasible. The same thing happened in North Royalton - another city with crappy roads and no sidewalks that wanted an upscale lifestyle center. Poor public transportation is another problem in Twinsburg. The infrastructure is not there and it may never be. Twinsburg evolved as an industrial power because of Chrysler and several others and has since become a place for soccer moms and the scared suburbanite who wants a boxcutter house. But seriously, that's all this little city can handle. The new Cleveland Clinic might succeed since they successfully have monopolized the entire region no matter where they decide to open up at (e.g. Amherst). But that is it! Notice that Beachwood Place (this projects "only" competitor) has many main road arteries in the vicinity, each with 5 lanes. There is also a 10+ lane I-271 right there to support heavy traffic, which is why Legacy Village and Beachwood Place co-exist. And as busy as the area is with traffic, there is usually never a "real" jam-up. However, just as I was in Twinsburg yesterday, I was sitting and waiting in traffic, shaking my head as there was 1 lane in each direction with everyone wanting to exit their industrial parkway. This is the condition of their streets pre-luxury lifestyle center. I can only imagine everybody and their mother shaking and rolling their heads as they try to exit this new lifestyle center, with traffic backed up for a mile on Hadden Road. This is the good life, apparently!

I thought this project couldn't begin until court cases were settled, zoning was changed, and everyone was happy. Did I fall out of the loop, because I was shocked to see they are actually building and working down there already. This is great news if that is the case!

OK, I was in Twinsburg for the first time in ages today and I drove down into the subdivision where this project is supposed to be getting built. It is off of Hadden Road on North and South Park. Well, I made a wrong turn onto Ray Court and ending up going into a very rundown public housing neighborhood. Everyone was looking at me like I was an alien or a black sheep. Anyways, the next street over was not public housing but was also very rundown. A naked infant was walking in the street as well. I've seen many of the Akrom Metropolitan Housing divisions including some in inner city Akron and this one is worse. Well, I spent little time reminiscing the new upscale development, instead wondering two things: 1) How does an upscale luxury mall succeed across the street from a rundown public housing development; and about a 1/2 mile from the highly polluted Chrysler Stamping Plant? To me, this location is a joke. I am an urban explorer and have been to some pretty rough places and I hate to say, but I felt very unsafe when I took the wrong turn off of Hadden onto Ray Court. And Ray Court is basically the entrance to this proposed project. I honestly did not know such a crummy area even existed in the "perfect suburb" of Twinsburg, but I assume that it's the kind of place nobody brags about having in their backyard. 2. Why would someone build such a project behind a Bob Evans and a Get Go gas station, next to public housing? This to me, is nonsense, absolute freaking nonsense! I was in Hudson at First and Main today for the first time and it seems alright. Why not expand on that and ditch this crap in Twinsburg? Oh yeah, I forgot, the rich surgeon from Lyndhurst and Twinsburg want $$$ and could give 2 damns how destructive this sort of thing will be to Cleveland and even Beachwood if it goes thru.

I don't know how I feel about this. I like Jamiec's viewpoints and I also like Cleveland Pride and Clevlndr's side. I just hope this place takes into account that it's one of the best corner storefronts in all of NE Ohio and Cleveland. Take advantage of that and tell yourself, "God has answered my prayers" because 515 Euclid should not be vacant, since circa 2006.

I agree with Clevlndr. Even though PBL has donated money for many things, he has actually done 2 things which hurt Cleveland instead of helping the city: 1. Progressive's headquarters is located on the edge of the county along I-271 in a wealthy little village. It's this kind of backwards thinking that hurts our great city. If the region's biggest employer and the ever-so-amazing-PBL are going to build a headquarters in the suburbs, then it makes it seem like an ethical/good idea/smart thing to do, to leave Cleveland and re-locate to suburbs, cuz if PBL did it, then damn, it must be the way to go. 2. The way PBL has dissed University Circle is like bad publicity for our shining cultural center. Instead of saying, "I'm a super billionaire, and I will take the lead and show you how it's done!" he instead said, "You guys suck, I'm not helping!" Again - backwards thinking. He has a great collection of art that is apparently world renowned and it's hiding in Mayfield Village off of Alpha Beta drive inside of one of the 50 glass buildings he built. Even I, the local art enthusiast has yet to see or find these works, and at that rate, what does that say about the region? If a local art enthusiast can't see or find 'em, who can? Too bad they're hidden away, because it'd be another nice draw to the area, even if it's gotta be in Mayfield Village. What effect would UC have had if these works were more accessible in say, a real culturally rich area (e.g. University Circle). And no, I wouldn't compare PBL to Rockefeller - after all, PBL will probably want to be buried in a cemetery in Willoughby Hills because Lakeview Cemtery is hardly unique.

The plan is/was: 1. Build dorms on Euclid where the bookstore is. 2. Build more dorms on Chester where the surface lots are, near the soccer dome. 3. Tear down Viking Hall 4. Re-build dorms on the site of Viking Hall. The masterplan calls for dorms on multiple sites and it was Schwartz's plan to make the campus more dormy and livable as opposed to be a suburban commuter college. Collegetown on Euclid is a private project, and the "collegetown" on Chester is supposed to be a CSU project.

I took pictures of the renderings on display at the Ingenuity, I just have to find the memory card (mis-placed it) and will upload them. I knew to take pics because I had never heard of it and was surprised to see all these renderings coming out of nowhere.

Good, so I'm not the only one who thinks that Cimperman's house being started on fire DOES have a link to the Dimora/Russo corruption.