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I've checked around in Crain's, The PD, and here on Urbanohio and have yet to see any news on what's going at the corner of Clifton and Lake. This important corner/intersection used to house a gas station which is now vacant and dilapidated. Today however, the property was being dug up and and a number of construction vehicles were at work. This is a very valuable piece of land and you would think that RTA would have something to do with this project, but then again, who knows. And for anyone not familiar with this area, it's where the Shoreway terminates and splits into Lake and Clifton, right in front of Edgewater Park (the park area, not the beach).

Where is the Alahambra Apartment building located??

Jeez louise.. two whacked out murders this morning. Any word on if the suspects have been caught in the second incident outside of Mirage?

To hell with Forest City! They're the past and TC will no longer matter with all this new stuff planned!

Well, the week is wrapping up quickly and a lot of us are getting very impatient! So let's hear some news damnit!

I'm going to try and attend with my girlfriend.. this sounds fun! And I love Algebra's food, it's some of the best in Cleveland!

Brunswick can best be described as an extension on Metropolitan Cleveland. While some years ago, the line was drawn on Cuyahoga County to the south, with Strongsville's southern border as the end of the metropolitan/suburban part of Cleveland. Nowadays, Brunswick and Strongsville fit together like Shaker Heights and Cleveland Heights. It's suburban, exurban, sprawl, or whatever the hell you want to call it. Like it, hate it, or care less, it's been happening for many years. In 30 years from now, we'll probably be picking fights with all of the exurban growth in Valley City, Grafton, and Wellington. And 30 years ago we were complaining how Strongsville and North Royalton were what Brunstucky is today. It's sprawl, it's growth - and it's happening everywhere. As for the three people I know living in Brunswick, I have my own idea of what kind of people move there: 1) My brother and his wife moved to Brunswick for one reason and one reason only: CHEAP HOUSE. They were going to move to Parma or Strongsville but chose Brunswick because the house they found (for $150,000.00) would have cost ($170,000.00) in Parma. They could care less about schools, commuting, shopping, or proximity to anything. It was all about getting a bigger house for less cost. Originally from Parma and Seven Hills, they ended up in Brunswick. 2) My old manager moved to Brunswick for the same exact reason as my brother. He was originally from Parma. Again, another cheapo looking for a bigger house for as little dollar as possible. He works in North Royalton and previously lived in Parma. 3) My brother's old best friend also moved to Brunswick from Parma - AGAIN, he and his wife wanted a more for their money. He still works in Parma. I've always found it ironic that 3 Parma couples moved to Brunswick but still work in the Parma area. They all moved to Brunswick because the housing stock there is less expensive. A Split-Level is worth more in Parma or anywhere in Cuyahoga County than it is in Brunswick. Eventually, the housing market will bottom out and you will be paying the same price in Brunswick as you do in Parma. At that point, nobody (at least the cheap people I know) will want to live in Brunswick, since it seems the key to drawing people there is the cheap houses.

I doubt we'll ever see a subway on Euclid, since the Silver Line is geared for long-term. It's just as good as a subway though. We'll probably see a rail line or subway on Superior, W. 25th, Clifton, or Detroit Avenue before we ever see one on Euclid, if we ever see one anywhere at all!

I don't oppose an awesome new boulevard that will change the Detroit Shoreway forever. What I do oppose is a project that its end result is still unknown. There is no guarantee that high density residential will come into play. I'd rather see developers expressing interest in this area instead of hearing about ODOT and their ideas. What if we get a new boulevard lined with grass patches or large industrial facilities that take up acres upon acres? Is that possible? Yes. Is that what you want? No, I doubt it. So until we have a plan in place, I don't want to take away what we already have.

I hope it's a while, A LONG WHILE! :D

All signs on the Shoreway displaying exits for Edgewater Park have been replaced by new ones that also display an exit for Whiskey Island. Awesome indeed! But why, when the Shoreway is about to become a boulevard? Any input anyone?

Well, New Orleans lost approx. 22% of its population. And let's not forget the surrounding areas also hit by the hurricane. Where did those people move to? Atlanta and Houston were not only selected destinations by the government, but they also happen to be the 2 closest large cities. If 100's of thousands of people flock a natural disaster to another city, is this really considered "growth" as you continue to put it, arenn? Is Atlanta's infrastructure growing as quickly as the people fleeing from New Orleans? I don't doubt Atlanta's recent sprawling growth aside from those coming in from New Orleans - just look at all the suburban developments in recent years. All this growth is great, but does Atlanta have long-term assets to help deal with peak oil besides MARTA? The city lacks any rivers, oceans, or lakes and the most difficult aspect of Atlanta for me is that outside of the city center, there is no street grid system. A lot of the growth was centered around developers looking for a quick dollar and a government not realizing that you need to plan for the future. Of course, I shouldn't talk, because some of Cleveland's outer-ring suburbs have this mentality (e.g. North Ridgeville).

Arenn, what you fail to understand is that if the Atlanta MSA/CSA consists of 33 counties, of course there will be large growth. Cleveland's MSA/CSA consists of only 6-7 counties, much of which is bordered by the Lake. The only way for Cleveland to grow is outward and those counties aren't included in the MSA/CSA. If Cincy or Cleveland had its surrounding 33 counties, there'd be even a larger growth period for Cincy and a very positive one for Cleveland (as opposed to the current decline suggested by the latest figures). If Medina and Summit were part of Cleveland's MSA, then it'd X out the people who left. All in all, if Cleveland had 33 counties, OR JUST 15 in its MSA/CSA, there'd be close to 5 million since Youngstown, Canton and Erie, PA would be included. Actually, I am so sick of CSA's and MSA's, we might as well say that Columbus and Cleveland are the same metropolitan region. That'd still be more realistic than these "metropolitan corridor's" along the Rocky Mountains or in Atlanta.

Well, as usual, let's assume that Akron and Cleveland are sooooo sooooo far apart that they are different MSA's. But in places like California and even elsewhere in Ohio, other MSA's stretch for 100' and 100's of miles. Truth and behold, Akron/Cleveland is one MSA and *by far* the largest in Ohio.

^ I am on the same boat as you, X, but I don't think that the sudden announcement of two parks means a bleek future. If you're thinking that we may end up with 50 parks (which won't happen), then we could start worrying. I think these two parks will spur development in the area. Right now it's a very creepy area and the bike park will pay a compliment to the Euclid Corridor. If I was to ride from downtown to UC (which I intend to do), I would be pedaling to metal around E. 55th St. because there is less good than bad in that area right now. Having other people present at parks will create a sense of safety in the area. No longer will the only liveliness in that part of MidTown be at Galucci's picnic benches out front.

Howabout a new thread specifically for this up-and-coming neighborhood. Battery Park isn't the only thing going on this neighborhood, so let's be creative and stir up some discussion on one of the hottest places to be in Cleveland right now! Gypsy Coffeehouse recently opened and is an awesome little place to hang out! They have some VERY unique sandwiches and drinks! Cleveland Public Theatre, The Happy Dog, King's Terrace, and BP spur development. Let's talk it up!

Hey, I suggested a few years back that this area be developed into a massive park, modeled after the lovely Central Park. With a mountain bike park and an urban garden connected, this is what I consider joint development and a great way to make a dead-zone more active. Instead of criticizing this area, we should be praising ANY and I mean ***ANY*** development near in this area. And if you don't praise the urban garden or bike park, please do tell me what development we have seen in this area in the last 40 years?

I weighed both options: buy or rent. They both have theirs advantages and disadvantages. With the renting, you have the option to move around to new places. You aren't tied down until you can sell your place. You also avoid high utility bills since they're usually included in the rent. Upside to buying is that you can make money. If you pay 200k now, in 5 years, the property may be worth 250k+. You also have options such as a yard (as 3231 says) and can make home improvements however you like. Downside to owning is paying property taxes (in my case, Lakewood has me at $4,700.00 per year). Downside to renting is that you can't remodel your place, since it's not your property. Both options are truly beneficial to each individual. I would love to one day become a renter and live in each neighborhood for a year at a time (e.g. Little Italy -> Tremont -> Coventry -> etc.) Two other things to consider: tax abatements! Finding a house to buy with a full 15/yr tax abatement is usually a great find! Buying condo's and townhome's usually have a homeowner's fee or maintenance fee. They range from under $100.00 a month (e.g. Payne Avenue Lofts) to $900.00 a month (e.g. 1 Bratenahl Place). Some include utilities (e.g. Winton Place) and others don't (e.g. Walker & Weeks Building).

W 28 street, great point. CSU or near League Park. Has anyone contacted Midtown with their ideas? CSU and League Park are not part of MidTown. And even if they were part of MidTown, I think League Park is in one of the shoddiest parts of Cleveland. I saw a car being "taken apart" across the street on W. 65th near Hough the other day and there was a 16-year old murdered there last August. Sadly, that's only a few blocks from the proposed site.

Why don't you think Lakewood is an urban pioneers dreamland?

The only new retail development on Broadview in Seven Hills has been the Ruby Tuesday and rec center. We may see a post office and an Aldi's in the future, but not much else can fit in the remaining parcels of land. I had lived in Seven Hills for 25 years until 2006 and still follow development in the city very closely. The office space that Pickle Williams is referring to is almost exclusively in the Lombardo Center office parkway off of Rockside Road. New senior citizen housing is the other major development in the city, both along Rockside and Broadview (behind the Swenson's drive-up).

Put the damn parking lot in back, for godness sakes! OK Ratner's boys, listen up! We are the true future URBAN PIONEERS of NE Ohio and we demand you put that parking in back! It's 2007 and the urban design needs to be politely respected for future generations!

Can you dig it? Can you diggg it? CANNNN YOU DIGGGG ITTTT??? Ha! I think this is excellent news for the city of Lakewood. Most importantly, the increased development near Beck will continue the trend of making Detroit an all-around fabulous street from one end of the city (Rockport Square) to the other (Beck).

OK, lesson learned: Add this survey to ranks of Forbes' "comical" list of surveys.

The Aldi's and Fifth/3rd which are being built in Lakewood, among anything else built out on this segment of land, will be built up against the street on W. 117th. The parking lots will be in the rear of the building, per Lakewood's building codes. Just a block or two down at Detroit and W. 117th is the Walgreens that had to abide by this code. The building is up against the street corner instead of having the building setback like it normally is in the suburbs. The Home Depot and Target are in the City of Cleveland and will not be models for what is happening on the Lakewood side of W. 117th St.