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No CSU doesn't. The building below was basically raped and torn apart a few years back and as far as I know, nothing was saved. What a shame: beautiful ornaments on this one! I have heard some were saved but at that rate, when will we see them again? It had some facial sculptures too. It was torn down so that a field of gravel could take its place - and the hope one day for some high tech building to be built there. ONE DAY. Always ONE DAY in Cleveland. CSU destroyed a very dense residential neighborhood for a parking garage and has torn down so much stuff that an 18 year old college student today would never in a million years be able to envision the density of rather nice looking stuff that once graced the land. When I went started at CSU in '99 they were tearing down a very large warehouse-style building that was the size of Norton Furniture. That land is currently a field of grass. Not saying nothing should ever be torn down, but CSU was and still is a major contributor to ripping stuff down. Then again, most of Cleveland was and still is like that.

Good one! I completely forgot to mention little Mumbai! Love it! I was on the top floor a few years back at an Indian party and it kicked ass!

While we haven't had any flocking #'s to our city JUST YET, it is apparent we have some slowly developing patterns and some that have been dying slowly for the past 20, 30, even 50 years. We have some immigration patterns underway and developing in the last several years that really have me excited. It'd be interesting if someone was willing to plot it all out. I would LOVE to but simply don't have the time. One trend I have noticed besides the obvious (Asiatown) is what's going on along Lorain between 100-150. Koreans flocking to Little Italy, Albanians in Lakewood, from an above post, Indians at Noble/Green, and a solid Orthodox Jewish population concentrated (as has been for a while now) along S. Taylor and also along Green Rd. Russians in Mayfield Heights, Ukrainians and Serbians in Parma. In my own experiences North Royalton has proved to have a fair share of immigrants from Eastern Europe. Many of the ethnic churches there probably help that fact. I recently read there are some other very interesting patterns happening in places like Wadsworth. Just a few, surely many more - lest us not forget the Czech's who still hang by the threads over by Hyacinth Park and the Slovenians who until just a few years ago were still heavily concentrated deep into Slavic Village - around Union/79. If and when the immigrants flock here as we all hope they will (and are planning for), I believe they won't establish some new district, but rather disperse to where others of their same descent are, whether it's inner city Cleveland or a place like Wadsworth - only time can tell.

There is a sign that says something like "Parking Lots To Close Anytime Now". Yet, yes, they are still open. I think the groundbreaking was them hitting a car with a shovel. BTW, is it official that the Art Bldg. is coming down? I kinda like it... and yeah, they say "too expensive to fix up", but isn't that the cost of saving old gems?

I suppose I have found some answers by using Google. I hope we can still post a few pics of the area when it was built up. Euclid Heights Euclid Heights Boulevard has lost quite a few other structures. Beginning at Cedar the boulevard (which begins with an old stone wall at Overlook) is now missing a double at 2360-2 (between two existing doubles). Three houses between Lennox Road and the Excel Apartments were removed to make room for a parking lot. Several small structures were also removed in the 1990s. The north side of the boulevard was always more open, but there was a small frame house about where the former Margaret Wagner House's auxiliary building now stands. Historical documentation of this enclave is problematic because the structures on what is presently called "Herrick Mews" had addresses on three different streets in old directories. Lost to Parking Further up Cedar Road was once a small apartment house just past Grandview. Built about 1912, it was one of Cleveland Heights' earlier multiple dwellings and was still quite new when the Tudor Revival Heights-Grandview Building replaced it around 1931. Several houses and small apartment houses on Grandview Avenue have been sacrificed for parking. East of Delaware on the south side were a small business block and two houses that were replaced (along with houses on Bellfield) with new structures or parking lots. A wonderful, ornate, Spanish-style parking garage behind the impressive Germanic-style Heights Center Building was replaced in the 1980s by a contemporary concrete garage. Former Greeting For over 40 years, everyone entering the Heights via Cedar Glen Parkway was greeted by the ornate four-floor, brick, stucco and half-timber Heights Overlook Apartments. Its facade faced Cedar, and its walls had battlements. Part of that wide walk remains. To its right at 12349 Cedar was the still more elaborate, eight-story Edgehill Apartments which had a beautiful, crisscross pattern in its brickwork. Both buildings were gradually converted into Doctors Hospital from 1946 on. By the 1960s, the larger building was the hospital itself, the smaller a clinic and staff residence. On-site expansion plans were considered, but instead the institution moved eastward and became Hillcrest Hospital in 1968. The following year both Cedar Hill structures were demolished for a never-built municipal lot and fire station. Overlook Road was originally conceived in the 1890s as the most prestigious street of the Euclid Heights development. It was lined by 1920 with 17 mansions from Cedar to just past Edgehill, only a few of which remain. This is reflected in the fact that all of the mansions that corresponded to the "carriage houses" on Herrick Mews are gone. Actually, all but five Overlook mansions were in Cleveland. Anyone have a pic of the Spanish garage? God, do I hate the current one.

Hey all, can someone provide a history or nice historical pics of the intersection of Euclid Heights and Cedar Glen Parkway (AKA Cedar Rd.)? I believe that corner used to be full of apartments back in the day, maybe even a 6 or 7 story war hospital if I'm not mistaken. I often wonder what the land is zoned for and who owns it. I could swear that I read once that it was going to be developed but then again, Pearls of Coventry (Coventry at Cedar) was too. I am curious why everything got torn down - a plan that fell thru? more green space? dilapidated buildings? But more importantly, why nothing has ever been built there since. It's a major intersection, the gateway to both Cleveland and Cleveland Heights, but also the entrance to Case and University Circle. IMO, this corner is the most under-developed on the entire east side. By golly, there is so much foot traffic from students everyday that any retail would be just as successful as the extremely busy (probably busiest) Starbucks in NE Ohio one block over. One larger apartment complex still graces the corner, just a hundred feet into Euclid Heights. Opposite the corner is Ambler Heights Historic District, one block over is Cedar-Fairmount, and to the north is the old historic Mews.

^Actually, believe it or not, most progressive cities build parking underground even in the tightest blocks. Toronto is my favorite example of an underground city. But then again, every city except our has experienced a brain surge, much on the account of our brain drain.

One of the most beautiful buildings to ever grace our city once stood where Viking Hall is now at. As a matter of fact, there were 2 other buildings, a one-story and another long building down E. 21st that were all torn down for a Holiday Inn. Sad part is, the New Amsterdam Hotel that was there was among the ultimate beauties of architecture we ever had. To tear down Viking Hall is an absolute plus, because it is a way to move forward and away from the 60's where we demo'd all we could. CSU was a bad bad boy when they first built up the campus and have taken some steps to change that, maybe not to change what bad stuff they did, but at least to improve the look of the campus. As for the building by W&W that is planned to come down - what a damn shame. We just had a W&W mansion, one of their first, torn down in Cleveland Heights this year! Zimzolla, if I can help in anyway, let me know. I want to save this building from the wrecking balls. Once it's gone, it's gone. Me and my brother have tears in our eyes over the loss of New Amsterdam, let's hope this doesn't happen again.

^ I agree 100%.

The reason South Euclid acted so quickly is because had this been put on hold, it's be getting built at Acacia instead. Try to remember that's for sale too. By the way, for those who think this area has "too much" retail, I have to ask if you've ever traveled outside of NE Ohio. I could name so many places that are 5x as much retail and continue to grow. Tyson's Corners is a perfect example: 3 malls next to each other and then some.

I admire your viewpoints, but you first state that the new park is a bad idea because our youth will destroy it. You then conclude that Fran's plan making all of Oakwood a park was the best bet all along. You can't have it both ways! What would you propose since a park is a bad idea, retail is a bad idea, and anything that adds traffic is a bad idea? I also would like to point out that a developer is donating 20+ acres to become a park that he will maintain at no cost. I can't recall this happening anywhere in recent memory. I also want to remind all opposed to Oakwood that it will contain a high density residential aspect for seniors, which may introduce some highrises. There are already 2 large complexes adjacent to Oakwood for seniors so it will be a nice addition and population increase. Furthermore, the Oakwood Clubhouse is being implemented into the project and will be saved and re-adapted.

South Euclid has very little empty retail, contrary to what people seem to think. Mayfield (the main retail area) is full of small mom and pop shops and non-national stores. There may be a few empty spots, but they have no parking available. That is the problem with those spots. They were built when Mayfield had street parking which it no longer does. The road is very busy and never again will the right lane become a "parking lane". The shopping centers at Green and Cedar are 100% leased on both sides of the street and have been for as long as I can remember. There are no vacancies in the area except University Commons which is faulted in design. Now that you got me thinking about it, now I see why Schneider wants to develop Oakwood. There aren't any places for Kohl's or Olive Garden to expand, and this would indeed bring new retailers to the area. And it also has me thinking that the reason there's no shortage of retail is because it's a very busy area - highly and densely populated by residents but also an area that is attracting people from all over NE Ohio. Whole Foods (about 2x the size of the other location), Legacy, Beachwood, La Place - all have retailers that are nowhere else in NE Ohio, so people are DRIVING into our area to shop here. That means 2 things: They are car dependent and need parking spaces and also it means that if a Jimmy John's or Panera (or some other retailer that "shouldn't have too many locations in the region" should be built somewhere, it should be built here along the Cedar Road corridor instead of the exurbs and interchanges along highways because the entire area becomes a place to go, a destination for the shopper.

Not sure how a Jimmy John's and a Panera in South Euclid hurts the entire region. Some retailers have 100's of locations in a single city. Cleveland has a Jimmy John's by CSU, another by Public Square, another planned for University Circle. Are those ones hurting each other, even though they are all owned by Jimmy John's? We're not talking about business headquarters such as the way multiple city's competed over American Greetings. We're talking about national chains here in the retail sector. Their formula for success is: expand and grow. Plain and simple as that. If Jimmy John's doesn't get built at Cedar Center, then it eventually gets built at Legacy. So I'm not following the reasoning for not building Cedar Center with retailers that already exist, considering there is indeed demand in that area. As for re-adapting historical buildings - yes it's nice when it's available. Not everywhere has historic buildings to re-adapt. South Euclid was built up in the 40's, so nothing there is historical. As a matter of fact, Cedar Center is a re-adaptive use of land. Oakwood is a rare land opportunity that places like Lakewood does not have available. Each city has different opportunities. The developers develop what becomes available. What is it that we want to see happen to make projects a success in the mind of urban planning? Right now, nothing in Cleveland or the entire region is up to par with what is happening all over the country in that regards. Take the Whole Foods in Santa Monica that I was just at: a 2 level underground parking garage and zero surface spots available. The only thing that Uptown or Lakewood does better than Cedar Center is that they HIDE the parking lots behind the building.

Also - I will agree 100% maybe even more on the disgrace of a Gordon Food Services and Bob Evans as the first two announced retailers at Cedar Center. I hate both and will not go to either, but, I realized when I was driving to Solon last night, I passed a Bob Evans at Chagrin and I-271, and another one at 422 and Som Center and yet ANOTHER one in Aurora by their big shopping center. I realized THEY ARE EVERYWHERE and there's not much we can do to stop them. It's like McDonald's - everywhere! Every part of Cleveland, every city in our country. So yes, it is disgraceful, but no, it's no different than anywhere else. As for the rest of the retail announced at Cedar Center, I'm quite impressed. Especially by the return of Golden Dragon and a new coffee shop. Even if Sbux moves over, it will absolutely be a good thing because the current location is almost always so packed there is nowhere to park and the inside has almost every seat accounted for when I go there. So these are some of the things I'm looking at right now. Panera serves coffee drinks and so that means 2 new coffee shops to go hang out at. Nice for the Notre Dame and JCU students. Nice for all the UH and SE residents to have more options. When I think of disgrace in the area, several things DO come to mind: 1) the vacant parcel behind Wal-Greens is a huge eyesore; It is screaming "TEAR ME DOWN"; The huge field of weeds next to Burger King is also a huge eyesore; Not sure who owns this land but I know that it went to auction and someone bid on it and won; And the shopping center torn down for a McDonald's - if they added more to the mix than just 1 place, I'd have been ok with it. But that center once had 5-6 places in it and now it's going to be a McDonald's of all the places we hate, I definitely put them right next to Wal-Mart and Bob Evans. However in all due respect, I will accept that as some people love these places the way I love Whole Foods or Melt, so to each their own.

Thx musky! I updated the list. Interesting: 5 of the 7 in our region were built this year. Sounds like an upwards trend to me! :wink2:

I'm only speaking in general about what I see everytime I click the Oakwood or Cedar Center threads. Lot's of rage and anger towards SE. I'd rather not spark a conversation of who dished SE and who defended it because at that point the thread will get a huge AX saying OFF TOPIC. I'd much rather discuss a point you made: "these two new developments are a disgrace". What do you feel the better solution would have been? The Citizens of Oakwood had no solution except to say the privately owned land should be donated as a park. To ask someone who just spent millions buying land to then donate it is absurd. To then ask for this happen and not offer a solution on WHO will maintain the park, WHO will convert the golf course into a park, WHO will buy the park.. NONE of those things were answered by Fran. Maybe had they offered a realistic plan, I'd have supported it. The developer stated that if the ballot failed and Oakwood was stopped, he'd have built housing which would have most likely eliminate the park and would also bring no new jobs nor nearly as much revenue to the city. So, to say the solution to Oakwood was to vote down 97, I'd have to say NO, that's not the solution. If the solution was an urban designed shopping center, then I'd have to ask why, considering there is no street parking there, and it's a very busy high speed road - that is not the place to build up to the sidewalk. I'd argue the opposite for anything along Mayfield since much of the retail is already built in that fashion and there is a lot of side street parking available. That is not an option at Oakwood since the streets are on the opposite side of the boulevard. So again, I'd say that is not the solution. We can't say the project is a disgrace based on what retailers are coming because NOBODY knows what they even are. So, what I'd really like to discuss is WHY this and Cedar Center are disgraces. We often cite other urban success stories, but sometimes we fail to realize what works in one city doesn't necessarily work in the next.

Everyone dissing SE because it's getting 2 large developments. Sure, I'm frustrated that neither will look like downtown Lakewood, but let's review 2 simple factors: 1. Just about every store opening at Cedar Center North is located in downtown Lakewood. And I love downtown Lakewood. The difference is that there will be a parking lot at Cedar Center to provide parking. Oh wait, the shopping center in downtown Lakewood also has a parking lot. The stores that both will have: Panera, Chipotle, Five Guys, and a Jimmy John's. Sounds the same to me. Actually, it sounds a lot like Westgate, Southpark, and Mentor to be honest. SE has every right to have these stores too. I didn't know there was some sort of prohibition on letting SE have these sort of food options too. 2. Oakwood Commons is from the developer of Legacy Village and Steelyard Commons. We have all praised Steelyard Commons for bringing retail to the city. SE is an inner ring and in recent years has desperately sunk behind its neighbors in retail offerings with the loss of Cedar Center North. University Heights' University Square and Cedar Center South; Beachwood's Beachwood Place and La Place; Lyndhurst's Legacy Village; Mayfield's Golden Gate and East Gate; and Cleveland Heights' Severance Circle. As a resident of South Euclid, I shop at EVERY ONE OF THESE SHOPPING CENTERS. Each has stores I like and use. It's odd because the only place I shop in my own city is the Starbucks and a few indy shops like Warehouse Beverage and some Jewish restaurants. I spend a lot of money in stores and I'd love to spend it in SE. The places I do shop are mostly smaller indy shops and that's great but I'd love to have the option to shop in SE than go to Beachwood or Mayfield along the I-271 corridor, if I could. I often question why every suburb around me has huge modern shopping centers and my city has none. I am in favor of my city having better retail. The shopping center at Green and Mayfield needs a major overhaul and is not enough for a city of 20,000 people with few other businesses. Beachwood is making big $ from all the businesses along Chagrin and Richmond - 100's upon 100's of hotels, office buildings, and campuses. Lyndhurst has Landerhaven. Both have Fortune 500's. SE has none of that. So yes, I support new development, if it means developing a private golf course into a retail development. I love green space and with the right circumstances, I'd have supported the scare-tactic-using Citizens of Oakwood in their campaign to stop Oakwood. Only problem with Fran and her extreme military tactics is that they propose the owner of private land donate it all as a park magically all the money to maintain the park would fall from the sky. As for SE - I am sort of sick of people bashing it. I am a resident of the city and moved there from Lakewood and love it. City services are excellent, never have I seen crime or experience it. There is an extreme variety of ages and diversity in this city: college kids, seniors, children, families, young professionals, and so on. I'm sorry Lola isn't in our backyard for the extreme urban pioneers. I'm also sorry that everything isn't beautiful for all the exurban paranoia folk. Sorry everyone isn't white. Sorry everyone isn't rich. My neighbors to my left are from Korea, my neighbors to my right moved here from Hungary, many Orthodox Jewish families live on my street, my neighbors across the street are African American, Israeli, and American, respectively. I am 30. My neighbors to the left have kids, to the right are empty nesters. I've never seen such diversity in my life. It's a nice feeling. Last time I checked, Notre Dame is beautiful; All the independently owned businesses on Mayfield and Cedar are unique to SE only; The library in a former mansion is beautiful; Our other country club is beautiful; Access to highways, college campuses, malls, museums, downtown, and University Circle is central and excellent. Sidewalks everywhere, trees everywhere, wildlife ALL THE TIME, and an outstanding dog park all things that are nice amenities of the city. A YMCA, a good school district, and excellent tennis courts at the SELREC. The Bavarian Tea Shop is awesome; The fact that I can walk to the Apple Store in 10 minutes and to Whole Foods in 10 minutes is something I am proud of. I hate to have to sit here and protect my city, but ya know what, too many people bash South Euclid on here in a way that I feel you are hardly any better than the people who degrade the Cleveland.com forums. Honestly, it offends me and makes me sad that we urbanOhioan's can't be more openminded and considerate to all the cities in our region than just the hip neighborhoods in the city. And for those who just can't hold in their tendency to bash other cities, you should check out the previous edition of the Heights Observer, which ranks SE the #2 suburb of Cleveland, next to Cleveland Heights. It ranked in first with access to amenities and first for access to parks. The fact we are getting our largest park ever now, I'm very pleased.

I'd like to update my first post of this thread, but I'm a bit confused on the 2 under construction. So that I understand correctly, there are 2 going up at I-90/Route 2 split in Euclid? The pics above show Case Western on the towers, so is it part of a joint development? Also, is this the Sopko turbines? And it seems there will be 2, one that is now up and a bigger one that has not yet been constructed? Sorry, but the last few messages made it a bit unclear. Thanks!

Who can tell us more about the Cedar Glen Condo's building that on the corner of Cedar and Ambleside.. The top 2 floors in the center are obviously under major rehab from a private buyer. I toured that unit years ago and always knew someone would do the correct thing to it.. Well someone just put in massive new windows that reminds me of something out of NYC. Whoever is going to live there will have the nicest loft in town when that is completed. I am so jealous!

Once this is completed, that section of Euclid will be the new art center of our town!

Interesting, thanks for that tidbit. There is not much info. out there on Chester. It does seem like a parkway cut through now that I think about it. Sadly, it's nothing like MLK Parkway, which would be pretty cool. All it is today is mcmansions on one side of the street and nothing on the other side, with the exception of a castle tucked away down one street and of course Beacon Place once you pass E. 79th.

I noticed that Myxx (formerly Jillian's) is a huge space. It really seems that it's approx. 3x the size of the other establishments in the building (e.g. Aladdin's). Either way, it's an awesome place and nice to have a 3rd upscale bar/restaurant in that district. I wish in my lifetime I'll get to see Cedar-Fairmount grow, as there has not been any new construction besides the contemporary flats in the past 40 or so years. That area is thriving and needs to take advantage of the synergy from all the students and professionals in the area. A parking garage (a real one and not a crappy one) should go up to open some land behind the Medical Building for development. That parking garage behind Starbucks is horrible and would be better used for more restaurants.

KJP, I know you live in Lakewood and know a lot about the area, I was wondering if you could fill is in on the latest developments I saw driving through today. I can't find a general Lakewood thread, I know there used to be one. Anyways, what I saw was a new CVS going up (urban style) across the street from Lakewood Library. They demo'd a church for it. Then across the street where Drug Mart is, they have a huge proposal sign for a new shopping center. I know the shopping center has been the center of many possibilities in the past. Any word on what's going on there and what will happen to the old CVS when it closes? That part of Lakewood (downtown) is booming and has been growing with retail galore the past few years.

I work in midtown and drive through it daily. I love what's happening at Euclid and E. 70'ish. One thing I can see happening is eventually all of the empty buildings and empty lots being transformed into bustling tech buildings, as we see it is already happening. What I am more anxious to see is where developers will spill out to. Chester Avenue near Dunham area has no developments or housing or anything on the south side of the street. There are actually fields of grass with very large mature trees. I am not old enough to know if anything ever existed along this area of Chester, but I do hope this is the next area where progression takes the developers once Euclid is fully built out (3, 5, 10 years...?) at which point I could picture some 30-40 story apartments!

I hope that is 15 feet on top of the peak at the stadium!