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I thought it was funny even with that one...Cleveland redrawn includes around 1/4 of it being Lake Erie whereas all the others had very little water in the new limits. The idea is correct though. Why should Houston get more federal dollars than say Philley because they are a sprawl city which costs more to run and is a bigger drain on resources? Obviously, that's talking very simply.

Going all the way back to 1953, it still seems very spread out. The historical aerials are tough to make out but it seems there were quite a few multi-story buildings and still quite a few parking lots.....but not parking blocks.

While I'm sure it would be better for your theories if that were true...it changed in 2013. From a KJP post..."Interesting.This 2013 apartment market analysis report for Greater Cleveland shows that the apartment submarket with the highest rents and lowest vacancy rates is "Central Cleveland." http://www.mimginvestment.com/documents/resources/Cleveland_4Q13Apt.pdf Submarket Vacancy Ranking Vacancy Y-O-Y Basis Effective Y-O-Y Rank Submarket Rate Point Change Rents % Change 1 Central Cleveland 2.5% 80 $1,058 0.8% 2 Lake County 3.0% 0 $743 6.3% 3 Westlake/North Olmsted/Lorain Cnty 3.6% 50 $833 0.7% 4 Parma/Middleburg Heights 3.9% 0 $736 2.5% 5 Strongsville/North Royalton/Medina 4.0% 240 $785 2.1% 6 West Cleveland 4.7% 270 $702 0.4% 7 East Cleveland 5.1% 90 $831 3.2% 8 Beachwood/Mayfield 5.3% 280 $926 5.9% 9 Euclid 7.0% -90 $631 12.3% 10 Southeast Cleveland 8.2% 470 $724 4.0% ###" Read more: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24830.805.html#ixzz3A5aBxvGZ

The graphic above is a massing, not a rendering. He'll use that to attract tenants (probably some anchor retailers), then draw up some conceptual renderings to secure the financing. And if he gets the financing, then we'll see some meaningful renderings. A lot of this is dependent on how fast The 9 fills up and at what rents. If Stark's project comes together quickly, then that will be a strong affirmation that downtown has turned another corner. From my research of looking for places....The 9 seems to be over 50% leased already.

Very nice, so if we went by that massing, it looks like 380' for the taller and 200-250' for the shorter. That would be skyline impact!

It is. The Downtown Cleveland Alliance report I posted includes a statistic regarding that progress. EDIT: Here it is.... Cleveland emerging as a magnet for talent attraction, experiencing a 68 percent increase in the number of 25-34 year old college graduates (2006-2012) http://www.downtowncleveland.com/media/221278/Q2-2014-DCA.pdf Additionally, household income downtown increased by 274% for $100-150k, 336% for $150-200k and 199% for over $200k. These shifts will cause a snowball effect. Increased population, increased household income, and low vacancy will increase rates helping push new construction. It will also lead to a greater selection of retail and surrounding neighborhoods will continue to grow as well.

Ugh, that's going to be awesome. I hope there are pictures taken!

I agree. I plan to focus on redeveloping properties around the city so I've been trying to do as much research as I can to actually make money doing it as well haha.

Using new developments, housing rehabs/infill and knowledge of the city, my current estimation for 2020 is around 370,000-377,000. I continue to update my spreadsheet as new info/developments comes available, but unfortunately, I don't feel like the slide on the east side will be stopping anytime soon unless something drastic happens.

This area is unfortunately a huge cut through at rush hour. Because the innerbelt backs up daily, many commuters take I-90 to 2 and then go up West Blvd and reconnect to 90 West and vice versa for the opposite commute. You've got a turn lane for West Blvd (that regularly is so long that it takes up the second lane), and then another turn lane for Berea Road, then two through lanes that immediately go to one at the Chicle building. Sadly Cleveland just recently EXPANDED West Blvd northbound to 2 lanes a few weeks ago north of Detroit. They did this by removing street parking, shrinking a turn lane, and repainting stripes. The increased cut through traffic the past 2 years has been unreal. But there's always been problem for pedestrians trying to cross at both West Blvd/Detroit intersections to get to the rapid stop. Anytime you've got a pedestrian walkway crossing a multi-lane turn you're going to get safety issues. Currently, you can only cross Detroit on the west side of West Blvd from the rapid stop, but many people will still try to cross on the east side where there are no markings. The terrace rowhouse rehabs look really great, but I wonder how long the facades will be kept up. I'm hoping some attractive landscaping in the spring time will help. This neighborhood anywhere else would be insanely different. You have direct rail access to downtown Cleveland (11 mins) Direct access to Hopkins Airport (15 mins) direct access to Lake Erie and Edgewater Park, yes that's just 5 blocks to the north without any impediments! You have a ton of medium to high density apartments (half vacant) surrounding a rapid stop. You have a historic commercial strip. You have gorgeous tree lined streets with beautiful homes. Any 5 story or taller apartment building would have Lake Erie views here as it sits just on the secondary lake edge bluff. Theoretically this should be one of the most desirable neighborhoods in Cleveland and if this were any other large city it would be. Yet it blows my mind how this is arguably the worst section of Detroit Avenue, and the neighborhood is not on Cleveland's long list of up an coming areas. However, I would say that if we were to have a sudden energy crisis, that could be a huge game changer for the neighborhood. It has all the elements needed that make a neighborhood successful, it's just severely lacking investment. A sudden jolt in the price of oil and rest assured, this will be one of the first areas in Cleveland to see development, rehabs, and an influx of new residents as a sound infrastructure is already in place. Just happened going through the older posts, and feel this one bears repeating... Was just recently drove around the Cuddel neighborhood during the 4th holiday and was pleased to see it's slow but steady improvement. Marous Bros' rehab of the old 1890s-built Oppmann Terraces along West Blvd (with 116 total units!!) has lifted those sagging, but amazing buildings considerably (I noted a laundromat in the Detroit facade of the buildings) and, at the south end, a new-ish CVS (I hadn't noticed before) a block away on Madison Ave, seems to have kinda pumped a little life in this sadly blighted, yet still beautiful (architecturally), dense neighborhood... note: there's a really cool old Philly style short row house directly across from the CVS. I share WestBlvd's sentiment that this area seems to have a ton going for it as an urban, walkable, transit friendly (and hell, BEACH friendly) neighborhood. I just hope and pray it'll get there. If things continue for the city the way they have been the last couple of years, I completely see that happening. The lower price-point neighborhoods will be the next rehabs as it gets more expensive in DS and OC. Cudell has as much (or more) potential as Clark-Fulton and Brooklyn Center.

So it seems he's adding another one to Thurman as he's already ask for variance on 2305 and 2307 Thurman?

I'd go with the 12,500 number as well. 14,000 would be all of the projects that were announced through last year. With the new ones proposed/announced this year, it should push over 15,000 by 2016.

I'm in Fort Lauderdale/Miami area until I move back early next year.

It's just NIMBY nonsense. Plain and simple.

What's crazy about this is in the Cleveland market, according to real estate agents I know, there is a GLUT of multi-family housing (in the traditional frame dwelling 2-unit "double"). I don't know why they haven't caught on, since the time is ripe to snap them up cheap, put in modern ammenities, and rent them out! This is what I plan to do. Rent some, sell some. Unfortunately, I'm a year or so out though.

Honestly, I was surprised YOLO lasted as long as it did.

On top of all that, people are more likely to move around the country/world than in the past. It does not make financial sense to buy if you could be gone in less than five years. And for those talking about rentals bringing down housing values....the new apartments are in the $1,000-2,000 a month range (more than a mortgage). These renters are a little different than $600 per month slumlord style renting.

Hmmm...nothing online that I can find on a phase two...is this the first we're hearing about it? So that's the parking lot west and Mi Puebla east of Euclid 115.

^Topshop within Nordstrom also has slim fitting selections at an inexpensive pricepoint.

Brokaw is expanding, staying put downtown "That was the headline that a Cleveland-based advertising agency put on its July 16 news release announcing that it plans to expand by 60% its offices at the 425 Lakeside Building in downtown’s Warehouse District. Brokaw, known for quirky, prize-winning ad and social media campaigns, has a notable first-floor presence on the street, partially due to a mannequin in a window that wore a Cleveland Browns jersey with Tim Couch’s name on it … and slips of paper identifying his many quarterback successors since 1999. In a signal of a switch, Brokaw last week put a LeBron James jersey on the mannequin." http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140721/FREE/140729969/0/search

How old are you? I think thats a fair question. Most people my age (48 - Hush KJP/CDM), regardless of city, are more into house/dinner parties and couples things. I live in NYC 60% of the time, I can't tell you the last time I've been to a gay bar that wasn't work related. I think gay ghettos gayborhoods are becoming a thing of the past. In the early days of gay rights we needed the quantity of numbers and those with similar target audience to band together. In several cities their gayborhoods are being over run with "SwS" now that we've come in and rebuilt the area. Atlanta - Midtown is being built out Manhattan - West Village, Chelsea & Harlem Chicago, Dallas, Miami Beach & Philly - Gayborhoods boundaries are shrinking and crime is up. West Hollywood - Recently removed the gay flag, due to it offending straight residents. Silver Lake - Straight moving in by the gangbusters. DC - Dupont Circle was the heart of the gayborhood, it's moved to Logan Circle San Diego's gayborhood is not downtown, but now being encroached. Ft. Lauderdale and Wilton Manners buck the trend. I'm 29 and ya, Wilton Manors is definitely the gayborhood and not going away. The funny thing is, the bars are more neighborhood bars and there is only one club open on weekends, but people are still out nearly every night. Miami and Miami Beach are the opposite. Only the mainstays, Palace etc, stick around. Wilton Manors, is surrounded by non gay areas, and many of the businesses are mixed, like Rosies. I wouldn't say Wilton Manor is "not going away", look at Greenwich Village, Chelsea, Miami Beach, Long Beach, Oak Lawn/Uptown, Midtown ATL, Palm Springs, Dupont Circle, Fire Island, Park Slope, The Castro, Plesant Ridge (Detroit), Lake Merrit (oakland), Jaimaca (Boston), Edgewater/Clifton, WHD, Sterling-Payne, would say different. In Miami, you can still go to twist if you're on the Beach. There are some other clubs in the 70 but they cater mostly to Black or Latino gay men. My perspective on Bars is different considering our age difference, I live in the time of Clevelands bar & club glory. You could go out every night in Cleveland and party...and I mean PARTY!. I can remember leaving Tuesdays at Traxx at 3:45am and waiting for the first Shaker train, (4:10am) sneaking into my parents home, taking a shower and returning to the train for the ride back downtown for work! Partying on the Mall/Hanna Fountains. Edgewater/Eastern Lakewood has always been our largest concentration of gay pockets, but we have Coventry and the area just north of Severance; Shaker Square; University Hts, near JC; The condo/townhouse area south of Beachwood Place, the area on Detroit in the 80s, are all gay pockets. I'm sure there are places on the Westside that are also gay friendly. In 2014 is there a need to cluster in one area as we did in 1984? Ya, I moved to Cleveland in the time of Bounce, Twist, that tiny place on Lorain and the place on W117 that closed. I think it would be nice if there was one good dance club or classy gay bar, but I agree that we don't really need gayborhoods anymore. I am very interested to see how the city does with the Gay Games (will there be protests by the religious right, bashings or will it go over without any major issues). With regard to Wilton, I don't mean it couldn't go away, it's just unlikey anytime soon. Based on census data, 14% of the city identified as a same sex married couple. On top of that, 90% of the population is over 18 (so very few children) and 63.1% of the population is male. Prices would have to escalate to South Beach levels (which is highly unlikely) for a mass exodus to occur. Oakland Park to the north is cheaper and very gay friendly, but doesn't have the walkability that Wilton has.

How old are you? I think thats a fair question. Most people my age (48 - Hush KJP/CDM), regardless of city, are more into house/dinner parties and couples things. I live in NYC 60% of the time, I can't tell you the last time I've been to a gay bar that wasn't work related. I think gay ghettos gayborhoods are becoming a thing of the past. In the early days of gay rights we needed the quantity of numbers and those with similar target audience to band together. In several cities their gayborhoods are being over run with "SwS" now that we've come in and rebuilt the area. Atlanta - Midtown is being built out Manhattan - West Village, Chelsea & Harlem Chicago, Dallas, Miami Beach & Philly - Gayborhoods boundaries are shrinking and crime is up. West Hollywood - Recently removed the gay flag, due to it offending straight residents. Silver Lake - Straight moving in by the gangbusters. DC - Dupont Circle was the heart of the gayborhood, it's moved to Logan Circle San Diego's gayborhood is not downtown, but now being encroached. Ft. Lauderdale and Wilton Manners buck the trend. I'm 29 and ya, Wilton Manors is definitely the gayborhood and not going away. The funny thing is, the bars are more neighborhood bars and there is only one club open on weekends, but people are still out nearly every night. Miami and Miami Beach are the opposite. Only the mainstays, Palace etc, stick around.

The great thing about Cleveland is there are both a lot of older buildings and a lot of vacant lots. How off base is it to say that the current Class B will eventually be the Class C's and the Class C's that are currently being converted to residential would have gone vacant by that time anyway? Class A office construction will continue on the vacant lots (as well as hopefully residential when pricepoints hit the target). I also feel like we will start getting more mixed use. Until the city truly starts growing, I don't think we have much to worry about in the way of not enough cheaper properties.

We need to get Jeff on this board to keep everyone abreast on bike developments.

I don't know when I turned into such a sap....but this made me tear up?????