jbcmh81

1971 called, OSU... Looks like a good place to sell Oldsmobiles. You know, I know a lot of people complain about Columbus art and architecture projects being outsourced to other cities/states, and I am usually in agreement about keeping it local. And then projects like this and the new Columbus Commons Apartments renderings come out and then I start rooting for the outsourcing. I just don't get it.

1971 called, OSU...

The new courthouse also was built on a surface lot. It's not like every last old building is being demolished to put this stuff up. In regards to the Trautman Building, I hope they do a feasibility study on the condition of it before just tearing it down. If the building is full of mold and beyond repair, that's one thing, but the mold smell also may be from the two newer 3-story additions that run along the alley and are not part of the main building.

I'm not really sure how this project would necessarily mean that surface lots won't be filled with other projects. It's not like this is the only project in the works. Neighborhood Launch is almost exclusively building on surface lots. The Arena District is losing just about all of it's surface lots right now. The Short North is seeing it's surface lots being filled. I understand your point, but I don't really think it means anything in the bigger picture about infill.

Yeah, Columbus is probably the only city in the nation to ever tear down old buildings. :roll: BTW, I do agree that they should try to save the old building. I think it would be great to incorporate it into the design somehow, and build an 8-10 story building where the 3-story is right now. But your point, otherwise, is pretty silly.

I think as long as we're adding residential, that's the important part. More people will ultimately lead to more projects down the line and all those ugly surface lots will gradually disappear. My one complaint about all the new construction proposed or ongoing is that the heights suck. It's High Street, the city's main corridor, and the most they can come up with are 6-7 story buildings along it with the new construction. The 2010 plan suggested (unfortunately, not mandated) that heights be minimum of 8 stories. I don't want to see the Downtown filled with low-mid rise buildings. Granted, it would be an improvement over so many surface lots, but come on. It's the freaking downtown. OSU campus is building much taller buildings right now, why can't the city's center do it? Every new building the past year from the Short North south to German Village has been 7 stories or less, most of them 5. The only exception has been the Joseph hotel. Oh, and I originally didn't think the 6-story building was historic given it's really ugly exterior, but I guess it was built in 1895. I would much rather see it restored than torn down if possible, the only time where I throw out the height frustration. The other building can go.

I wouldn't think it would be that far off to see that happening.

Nothing exciting about a Tim Horton's, but I bet Livingston will take it just fine. I hope to see some better development come along there, though.

Not to mention that there is still a pretty massive residential project in the works for ADW as well.

http://development.columbus.gov/uploadedFiles/Development/Planning_Division/Boards_and_Commissions/Historic_Preservation/Italian_Village_Commission/Meetings/2012/2012%20IVC%20NOV%20agd.pdf A little bit of an update. Phase 1 of the Jeffrey site development plan is to include 334 residential units in several different styles (townhomes, apartments, condos) in several buildings. From what I can tell, this is only a small part of the overall site, so having 334 units already in the works shows that this site is going to be a pretty massive development. The same commission notes also mentions 46-48 East 4th Street for a 4-unit residential building on an existing surface parking lot. So overall, some good news for this area.

Now for the two buildings to the left of the YT. I can't imagine that they'll remain undeveloped for too much longer.

Just some numbers I thought were interesting about the state of Ohio politics and the direction it's going. On a county basis, Democrats lost an average of 1% support vs 2008 while Republicans gained and average of 3%. D 42% to R 56% was the margin this election. Here are the top 10 counties that moved the furthest Right 2008-2012. 1. Monroe County: 16% This county was won by Obama in 2008, but Romney took it this time. 2. Harrison County: 12% 3. Tuscarawas County: 12% Obama in 2008, Romney in 2012. 4. Van Wert County: 12% 5. Mercer County: 11% The epicter for Republicans in Ohio, Romney won by 55%, the highest margin of any county. 6. Auglaize County: 10% 7. Homles County: 10% 8. Putnam County: 10% 9. Noble County: 9% 10. Shelby County: 9% Top 10 counties that moved to the Left 2008-2012. 1. Licking County: 7% 2. Ross County: 6% 3. Madison County: 4% 4. Pickaway County: 4% 5. Scioto County: 4% 6. Franklin County: 3% 7. Vinton County: 3% 8. Clark County: 2% 9. Fayete County: 2% 10. Mahoning County: 2% 11. Marion County: 2% Central and South-central Ohio had the majority of counties move more towards the Democrats this election, mirroring a long-term trend that has been ongoing since then 1980s. In total, 62 counties moved further right, 15 moved left and the remaining 11 saw no change. You'd think, given those numbers, that Romney would've won, but the 7 largest metro areas still far overwhelmed the Republican increases. What's interesting is that the long-term trend shows there are more counties trending more Democratic than Republican, and the ones that are already blue are becoming moreso. Columbus and Franklin County are going to be an increasingly important Democratic stronghold for the state, and the metro is gradually trending less strongly Republican, even during an election where Republicans made significant gains elsewhere.

Because buildings don't ever get torn down in White neighborhoods? Concentrated poverty didn't and hasn't worked. The buildings are not really historic or architecturally significant in any way. As is, the area will never be productive and cities cannot afford to let neighborhoods rot just because some people are nostalgic for times that, quite frankly, were never that good to begin with. I encourage area residents, however, to get involved, voice concerns and ideas for future development and help possibly save some of the more usable buildings.

It's kind of surprising just how little crap they found once the water level dropped. I was thinking maybe the bones of some Michigan fans.

So is this supposed to be the "OMG, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES, THE ECONOMY IS CRASHING!!!" thread? There really isn't a single shred of good news in the entire world, let alone the US?

Metro Mining/Logging/Construction Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Akron: 13,400 +900 Columbus: 30,300 +200 Toledo: 12,200 +0 Youngstown: 8,900 -300 Dayton: 11,000 -800 Cincinnati: 39,900 -1,300 Cleveland: 32,800 -1,400 Metro Manufacturing Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Cleveland: 123,800 +5,200 Cincinnati: 114,000 +4,800 Akron: 42,000 +1,900 Dayton: 40,900 +900 Youngstown: 30,600 +300 Toledo: 38,700 -800 Columbus: 62,200 -3,700 Metro Trade/Transportation/Utilities Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Cincinnati: 202,700 +9,600 Columbus: 184,400 +9,100 Cleveland: 179,500 +3,500 Youngstown: 47,300 +900 Akron: 62,000 +300 Dayton: 61,300 -400 Toledo: 55,800 -2,100 Metro Financial Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Cleveland: 64,900 +1,000 Columbus: 72,100 +900 Cincinnati: 61,900 +500 Dayton: 17,100 +200 Akron: 13,700 +100 Toledo: 11,000 +100 Youngstown: 8,800 +100 Professional and Business Services Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Cincinnati: 161,900 +10,000 Columbus: 153,800 +4,400 Akron: 50,200 +1,500 Cleveland: 140,700 +500 Youngstown: 21,200 -900 Toledo: 33,400 -1,300 Dayton: 47,500 -2,300 Health and Education Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Columbus: 139,800 +8,600 Cleveland: 192,300 +5,700 Toledo: 52,300 +1,000 Akron: 50,800 +400 Dayton: 70,400 +200 Cincinnati: 150,900 -100 Youngstown: 43,300 -100 Leisure and Hospitality Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Toledo: 37,400 +3,600 Columbus: 92,200 +2,500 Cincinnati: 111,800 +1,900 Dayton: 39,900 +1,200 Cleveland: 85,800 +800 Akron: 28,500 +100 Youngstown: 23,300 +0 Other Services Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Columbus: 40,200 +5,600 Cleveland: 42,300 +1,000 Cincinnati: 40,800 +600 Dayton: 15,300 +100 Akron: 13,100 +0 Youngstown: 9,900 +0 Toledo: 13,000 -100 Government Jobs, September 2012 and change from 2011, best to worst. Dayton: 65,500 +200 Akron: 46,500 -1,000 Youngstown: 29,000 -1,300 Toledo: 45,500 -1,700 Cleveland: 128,500 -2,700 Cincinnati: 123,500 -2,800 Columbus: 148,500 -3,400

Metro Civilian Labor Force, September 2012 and change from September 2011, best to worst. Columbus: 962,200 +9,400 Cincinnati: 1,108,100 +3,900 Akron: 371,800 -1,700 Youngstown: 265,800 -2,700 Toledo: 315,500 -6,100 Dayton: 405,000 -7,800 Cleveland: 1,071,700 -16,400 Metro Employment, September 2012 and change from September 2011, best to worst. Columbus: 907,400 +25,100 Cincinnati: 1,036,900 +24,800 Akron: 349,000 +5,400 Youngstown: 245,700 +600 Dayton: 376,900 +300 Toledo: 293,000 -100 Cleveland: 1,001,500 -4,900 Metro Unemployment, September 2012 and change from September 2011, best to worst. Cincinnati: 71,200 -20,900 Columbus: 54,800 -15,600 Cleveland: 70,200 -11,500 Dayton: 28,100 -8,100 Akron: 22,800 -7,100 Toledo: 22,600 -5,800 Youngstown: 20,100 -3,300 Metro Non-Farm Jobs, September 2012 and change from September 2011, best to worst. Columbus: 940,100 +24,000 Cincinnati: 1,021,000 +23,200 Cleveland: 1,005,200 +13,100 Akron: 324,000 +4,200 Dayton: 378,300 -1,100 Toledo: 302,700 -1,300 Youngstown: 224,600 -1,300

September 2012 Ohio Unemployment Rate: 7.0% Down from 7.2% in August. By City in September 2012, best to worst and change from August. Columbus: 5.8% -0.3% Akron: 6.9% -0.5% Cincinnati: 6.9% -0.7% Toledo: 8.2% -0.1% Dayton: 8.3% -0.6% Cleveland: 8.8% -0.7% Youngstown: 8.9% -0.5% By City, Change from January to September 2012, best to worst. Akron: -2.4% Youngstown: -2.3% Dayton: -2.1% Cincinnati: -1.9%. Toledo: -1.8% Cleveland: -1.4% Columbus: -1.4% By County in September 2012, best to worst and change from August. Franklin: 5.8% -0.3% Summit: 6.2% -0.3% Hamilton: 6.4% -0.4% Cuyahoga: 6.9% -0.4% Mahoning: 6.9% -0.4% Montgomery: 7.3% -0.3% Lucas: 7.5% -0.1% By County, Change from January to September 2012, best to worst. Mahoning: -2.7% Summit: -2.3% Hamilton: -1.9% Lucas: -1.9% Montgomery: -1.8% Frankling: -1.3% Cuyahoga: -1.0% By Metro in September 2012, best to worst and change from August. Columbus: 5.7% -0.3% Akron: 6.1% -0.3% Cincinnati: 6.4% -0.4% Cleveland: 6.5% -0.4% Dayton: 6.9% -0.4% Toledo: 7.2% -0.1% Youngstown: 7.6% -0.3% By Metro, Change January to September 2012, best to worst. Akron: -2.3% Toledo: -2.3% Cincinnati: -2.1% Dayton: -2.0% Youngstown: -1.7% Columbus: -1.6% Cleveland: -1.5%

Oh really? Any link to the designs? I wasn't aware they had gotten that far with it.

Keith, the pedestrian bridge from the 2010 plan is still in the works, but the last I heard, it wouldn't happen for a few years anyway until after the Scioto River project is complete.

There is an effort called "The Weston Vision" that was posted by Columbus Underground in 2010, as follows: New Vision Announced for West Side Redevelopment: "A multi-part development announcement for the west side was just made today, which includes the formulation of an amendment to the Greater Hilltop Plan, the initiation of a Regional Commercial Overlay, and a market study and economic development implementation strategy currently known as “The Weston Vision”. These initiatives are collaborative efforts between The City of Columbus, Franklin County, Franklin Township, Hilltop area businesses, west side residents and the Weston Development Partnership. The goal of these plans is to produce a cohesive redevelopment of the entire West Broad Street Corridor." "The Weston Vision" also maintains an active website at http://www.thewestonvision.com/. Which, by the way, is not the same thing as the "Weston" redevelopment of Westland Mall posted in the Westland Mall Redevelopment thread here at UrbanOhio. jbcmh81 remembers correctly. In 2011, the City of Columbus enacted commercial development overlays along West Broad Street in the Hilltop and west of the overhead railroad tracks to Georgesville Road. Which is the extent of the land that is inside the Columbus city limits along West Broad. - Link to the maps of the West Broad Street Commercial Overlays Below are two recent maps that show the Casino and its west side context. The first shows the multiple jurisdictions in the area. The second was scanned from last Friday's Business First that shows closer detail of the existing context: So then the overlay doesn't extend to Franklin Twp, so the actual redevelopment around the casino itself will very likely resemble Sawmill more than West Broad through Hilltop. That's a shame, but not unexpected.

There's been talk of a "Weston" style development out there, but it would just be more suburban development the area already has too much of. Well, there's a Tee Jaye's across the street. Maybe if there were a streetcar down W Broad some casino goers would use it to go from the walkable storefronts on W Broad several blocks east (assuming the streetcar started attracting restaurants and bars) or vice versa, but the city didn't plan outside of a High St or Downtown streetcar. As it stands, visitors pretty much only have the casino and Tee Jaye's as evening destinations on W Broad until Dirty Frank's II opens 2 miles east. It seems I remember reading how the development overlay of the area called for zero setback on new construction, outside of the casino itself, that is. I wonder if that will actually happen. BTW, I don't think "Weston" is ever going to happen.

I would hardly say that any of the three Cs have "roared back" -- especially Columbus. Columbus and Cincinnati are probably near the top % of metros as far as total jobs recovered from the recession. So maybe not roared back exactly, but still doing well from a national picture. Besides, the entire article was not based on the single metro of job growth, anyway. It also talked about infrastructure and public works investments as well as the relationship between Democrats in Republicans within the metro and how it's related to the recovery.

Yes, as far as total jobs, but I have no idea how they arrived at their figures and gave an example that showed how Columbus could be ahead in the jobs picture. It just depends how they arrived at their conclusion. I hesitate to call them wrong when there is conflicting data that supports both claims.

Actually, that's not entirely true, either. Non-Farm Jobs Created August 2010 to August 2012 Cincinnati: 41,300 Columbus: 30,800 Cleveland: 13,700 So no, Cincinnati did not create more jobs than the two others combined, though Cincinnati does appear to have created more non-farm jobs in that time frame. I have no idea if they were using the non-farm jobs numbers or something else, however, not having a subscribtion. They may have also used total recovery from the recession bottom. If so, here's how many jobs were lost in each metro during the recession. Cleveland: -121,000 Cincinnati: -101,400 Columbus: -73,100 And here's the recovery in the past 2 years. Columbus: Gained 42.1% of jobs lost during the recession in the period August 2010-August 2012. Cincinnati: Gained 40.7% of jobs lost during the recession in the period August 2010-August 2012. Cleveland: Gained 11.3% of jobs lost during the recession in the period August 2010-August 2012. So if they went that way, Columbus did gain back a larger share of it's recession losses the last two years, but I'm thinking that's not how they measured it. And just an FYI, here is the total % recovery through August 2012 from the bottom for each metro. Columbus: 71.8% Cincinnati: 62.5% Cleveland: 33.3%