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here's my theory: Post Clinton years. Economy was pretty good at that point. Economy and jobs good, crime down? Well, no doubt the economy was doing well in the late 1990s-2000, but that certainly doesn't explain why crime rates generally dropped through the recession as well. Population decrease? Doesn't explain Columbus. Plus these are national trends, occurring in growing and declining cities alike. I dont think Columbus can be compared to the rest of the post-industrial Ohio cities. Its a unique place in where it has annexed alot of its suburban area. Its city is essentially safe, suburb like territory with the exception of the small pockets near downtown and east of downtown. I wouldnt expect Columbus crime to be consistant with Cleve, Akron, Cincy. However, we are talking about trends in crime rates, not the physical makeup of cities. Again, crime is falling in the vast majority of cities no matter what their population is, whether or not they're growing or declining, industrial rust belt or sun belt boomtown. It's across the board. In that case, Columbus is no different and indicates other factors at play rather than population trends.

here's my theory: Post Clinton years. Economy was pretty good at that point. Economy and jobs good, crime down? Well, no doubt the economy was doing well in the late 1990s-2000, but that certainly doesn't explain why crime rates generally dropped through the recession as well. Population decrease? Doesn't explain Columbus. Plus these are national trends, occurring in growing and declining cities alike.

You're comparing cities to an entire state. Ohio actually beats most states in economic development. Ohio is #8 for GDP, while Michigan is #13 and Minnesota is #17. It also is regularly at the top of the list for states having the most business expansions, including last year when it was #1. And Ann Arbor pales in comparison to any of the 3-Cs when it comes to education and health jobs and growth. The growth for ed/health jobs in Ann Arbor has been just 6.6% the last five years, while Cleveland was 10.6%, Columbus was 25.8% and Cincinnati was 6.8%. Even Ohio's smaller cities are doing better, with Dayton growing at 7.9%. Minneapolis, btw, had a 13.9% growth in this area. Columbus, Ohio's largest city, was almost double that. But yes, it's all about jobs. Ohio needs to maintain this momentum.

North Dakota is another example. 3% unemployment and a population that recently surpassed its all-time high. I wouldn't call the winters there awesome, and the summers can get as hot as any place in the South.

This is actually untrue. I was born and raised in the south, and for years old-school deep south (aka backwards) states like Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma, etc. have been trying to figure out how to have the economic growth that exists in other states like North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, etc. Obviously there's a different recipe for each success story, but low costs was only a marginal factor in TN and virtually negligible in NC and especially TX. Cost of living is actually very high in Dallas, for example, whereas Dallas (Houston being "Oil Capital of the World") is clearly the business capital of Texas, in a diversified sense. I know many of you yankee urbanists like to snicker at the big projects in Dallas, but the reality is that you could be dropped in Dallas and honestly swear you were in Chicago and be confused why so many TX license plates everywhere. Dallas has grown up, and it's become an completely enclosed, gentrified (or ghettofied) city. Economics are, by far, the biggest reason people move. Either for a job, retirement, etc. This simply cannot be overstated. The perception has long been that the South offered a low cost of living, but also a low cost to do business. Attract people, you attract jobs and vice versa. And every cost of living assessment I've seen has states like Texas and NC toward the bottom of costs. Ohio tends to be in the middle on most of these, but if you do a direct comparison, Ohio is on par with most things, and much cheaper on others, like real estate. The secret has and always will be young people - education, and then retaining those graduates produced by the education system. TX reinvested a lot of its oil profits in the 70s into making UT and A&M world-class research institutions. NC just did it without a massive cash influx to begin with, by prioritizing UNC and NCST over anything else. TN's main growth driver is the Nashville area, which is a mecca for research, with Vandy, medical schools, national research center in one of the southern suburbs, etc. Outside of Nashville, TN has benefited from low costs and especially a lack of union workers, as companies like Nissan and Toyota have demonstrated a strong preference to avoid union regions in establishing new manufacturing centers. Unfortunately. Young people are key, I agree, but you still need cost and jobs to attract them. I think you are overstating to some degree what singular institutions really accomplish in terms of long-term growth trends in a state. I'm sure places like Austin are helped by this, in the same way that Columbus is, but on a statewide scale, I don't think it matters nearly as much as being able to provide good-paying jobs for the graduates, no matter where they graduate from. Also, I disagree that unions are necessarily holding back Ohio vs other states. The state residents recently rejected legislation meant to curb union power, and since then Ohio's unemployment rate has dropped 10 straight months and has had the first or second most jobs gained by any state for a couple months already this year alone, including in May. A significant part of these gains was in manufacturing, particularly related to the auto industry. The unemployment rate is also almost a percentage point below the national average, one of the largest spreads in decades. The state is recovering well economically. Certainly moreso than places like NC, which continue to struggle with jobs and too many people moving there expecting the good times to come back at any moment. Education is always the most important factor, and having a highly-qualified (and public health is also a factor, being healthy) workforce. It's all about human capital that sets states apart, very little has anything to do with costs. Having low costs will attract non-union manufacturing (which is still good), call centers, Indian casinos, and low-skill service jobs - this is absolutely not a basis for economic growth. No Fortune 500 companies, R&D companies, innovative tech startups, or anything that can add skilled labor opportunities to your economy, are looking for cheap. They are looking for quality places to locate over cheap places. States trumpeting their low costs over their education and quality of life are actively repelling good jobs, as a matter of fact. That's all my home state does and they will never figure out why it doesn't work and why the economy is still 100% tied to oil despite other states like Texas successfully diversifying. Again, retaining graduates is important, but the only way to do that is to have jobs available in their fields. An educated workforce doesn't do any good if you have no companies to work for. And Ohio's not exactly at the bottom of the education heap, either, so I don't think the problem is that Ohio doesn't have enough college grads. And what's most interesting is that the South, including Texas and NC, have some of the lowest rates of job mobility in the nation, meaning that it's much harder to move up the ladder and gain success in these states vs Ohio. Most people seem to have no idea about that. Then it comes down to an absolute truism when it comes to economic development. Conservatives craft nothing but dangerous, regressive, backward policies and trumpet them as business-friendly. There is a reason that the most economically prosperous places are usually the most progressive (different from "liberal") in their region - NC and VA are a perfect example of how a state that turned progressive left its Dixie neighbors behind in the dust. If you compare the economic benefits of MS to MN, you'll see a very high-cost yet progressive state up against a very low-cost yet regressive state. If you are an R&D company that employs 200 people, but has a major ripple effect in the economy due to your innovations (in other words YOU are the ED cash cow every state is dreaming about), which state are you going to locate in - MS or MN? I would argue that Ohio is far more progressive politically than any of the Southern states. The largest private research foundation in the entire world is in Columbus, and Cleveland has nationally recognized innovative health facilities. It's not like Ohio lacks in the creative. It's just been that the state has seen 30 years of decline because of too much emphasis on too few industries, not to mention being at the butt end of the suburbia movement. Those things are no longer reality, so it remains to be seen if Ohio can continue its momentum and become a state people associate with success instead of burning rivers and industrial rot.

Okay, so here are the rankings in 2011 based on crimes per 100,000 people. Rankings are highest to lowest. Some cities may not be listed because of a lack of data for 2011. Murder 1. Dayton: 23.2 2. Cincinnati: 20.5 3. Cleveland: 14.9 4. Akron: 13.6 5. Columbus: 11.0 6. Toledo: 10.5 Rape 1. Cleveland: 88.7 2. Akron: 82.4 3. Columbus: 71.7 4. Dayton: 69.0 5. Cincinnati: 59.6 6. Toledo: 43.2 Assault 1. Toledo: 544.3 2. Cleveland: 465.2 3. Akron: 432.2 4. Dayton: 412.7 5. Cincinnati: 352.9 6. Columbus: 163.6 Robbery 1. Cleveland: 794.7 2. Cincinnati: 596.3 3. Dayton: 449.3 4. Columbus: 411.7 5. Toledo: 401.4 6. Akron: 360.3 Burglary 1. Toledo: 2,914.6 2. Cleveland: 2,694.5 3. Cincinnati: 2,238.7 4. Dayton: 2,197.9 5. Akron: 2,140.0 6. Columbus: 1,925.0 Larceny Theft 1. Cincinnati: 4,191.9 2. Columbus: 3,840.0 3. Dayton: 3,217.6 4. Akron: 2,886.0 5. Cleveland: 2,645.3 Motor Vehicle Theft 1. Cleveland: 1,030.0 2. Toledo: 510.1 3. Columbus: 458.8 4. Dayton: 445.8 5. Cincinnati: 427.6 6. Akron: 404.0 Total Violent Crime Rate 1. Cleveland: 1,363.5 2. Cincinnati: 1,029.3 3. Toledo: 999.3 4. Dayton: 954.2 5. Akron: 888.4 6. Columbus: 658.0 Total Property Crime Rate 1. Cincinnati: 6,858.2 2. Cleveland: 6,369.8 3. Columbus: 6223.7 4. Dayton: 5,861.3 5. Akron: 5,430.2

here's my theory: Post Clinton years. Economy was pretty good at that point. Economy and jobs good, crime down? Well, no doubt the economy was doing well in the late 1990s-2000, but that certainly doesn't explain why crime rates generally dropped through the recession as well.

The best way is to have a good, growing economy and low cost of living. Ohio is working on both, as it's already relatively low cost, despite popular belief, and the economy continues to improve, having the 2nd fastest job growth of any state in May.

Not sure how we could get away with deporting criminals to another country, assuming without their permission, and I can't imagine why they would agree to it. Incidentally, in regards to prisons, I just read an article not long ago about how Ohio's prison population has declined in recent years. Just label repeat violent offenders terrorists. Then get them out of here. There is laws on the books that you can do that to terrorists. Citizens or not. AFAIK, you can't just deport people, no matter what you label them, to random countries without their consent, not to mention the constitutional problems this would present.

I'll do rates per 100,000 and city rankings a bit later.

Finally, Youngstown Murder 1990: 19 1995: 66 2000: 32 2005: 37 2010: 25 2011: N/A Rape 1990: 64 1995: 62 2000: 40 2005: 60 2010: 28 2011: N/A Aggravated Assault 1990: 644 1995: 791 2000: 537 2005: 476 2010: 406 2011: N/A Robbery 1990: 580 1995: 650 2000: 358 2005: 347 2010: 235 2011: N/A Burglary 1990: 2,442 1995: 2,043 2000: 1,972 2005: 1,718 2010: 2,101 2011: N/A Larceny Theft 1990: 2,876 1995: 2,465 2000: 2,707 2005: 2,217 2010: 1,806 2011: N/A Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 1,060 1995: 973 2000: 650 2005: 765 2010: 523 2011: N/A Total Violent Crimes 1990: 1,307 1995: 1,569 2000: 967 2005: 920 2010: 694 2011: N/A Total Property Crimes 1990: 6,378 1995: 5,481 2000: 5,329 2005: 4,700 2010: 4,430 2011: N/A Youngstown is following most cities in a gradual drop of rates, with some exceptions.

Not sure how we could get away with deporting criminals to another country, assuming without their permission, and I can't imagine why they would agree to it. Incidentally, in regards to prisons, I just read an article not long ago about how Ohio's prison population has declined in recent years.

Not all cities had complete info. Toledo, for example, did not gather crime stats that were up to FBI standards, so some years weren't included. Toledo Murder 1990: 37 1995: 35 2000: 12 2005: 28 2010: 23 2011: 30 Rape 1990: 422 1995: 278 2000: 163 2005: 179 2010: 140 2011: 124 Aggravated Assault 1990: 1,334 1995: 1,146 2000: 1,175 2005: 2,162 2010: 1,594 2011: 1,562 Robbery 1990: 1,748 1995: 1,414 2000: 1,030 2005: 1,356 2010: 1,097 2011: 1,152 Burglary 1990: 6,268 1995: 6,298 2000: 5,105 2005: 7,101 2010: 7,287 2011: 8,366 Larceny Theft 1990: 17,571 1995: 14,821 2000: 13,805 2005: 13,331 2010: N/A 2011: N/A Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 4,614 1995: 3,204 2000: 2,737 2005: 3,198 2010: 1,197 2011: 1,465 Total Violent Crimes 1990: 3,541 1995: 2,873 2000: 2,380 2005: 3,724 2010: 2,854 2011: 2,868 Total Property Crimes 1990: 28,453 1995: 24,323 2000: 21,647 2005: 23,630 2010: N/A 2011: N/A Toledo is another city without strong trends in most catergories. Some are going down, some up, some are staying steady.

The rest of the cities. Dayton Murder 1990: 47 1995: 39 2000: 32 2005: 32 2010: 34 2011: 33 Rape 1990: 321 1995: 237 2000: 152 2005: 142 2010: 93 2011: 98 Aggravated Assault 1990: 1,246 1995: 789 2000: 701 2005: 512 2010: 602 2011: 586 Robbery 1990: 1,475 1995: 1,360 2000: 1,180 2005: 851 2010: 782 2011: 638 Burglary 1990: 4,678 1995: 4,022 2000: 3,749 2005: 3,234 2010: 3,390 2011: 3,121 Larceny Theft 1990: 10,155 1995: 9,357 2000: 7,435 2005: 6,041 2010: 4,882 2011: 4,569 Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 2,973 1995: 3,145 2000: 3,207 2005: 2,211 2010: 673 2011: 633 Total Violent Crimes 1990: 3,089 1995: 2,425 2000: 2,065 2005: 1,537 2010: 1,511 2011: 1,355 Total Property Crimes 1990: 17,806 1995: 16,524 2000: 14,391 2005: 11,486 2010: 8,945 2011: 8,323 Dayton is most similar to Cleveland, seeing most catergories seeing consistent, steady drops. This includes burglary, which most other cities saw some rises post 2005 because of the economy.

Columbus Murder 1990: 89 1995: 77 2000: 67 2005: 103 2010: 95 2011: 87 Rape 1990: 647 1995: 636 2000: 578 2005: 557 2010: 574 2011: 565 Aggravated Assault 1990: 2,745 1995: 2,582 2000: 2,255 2005: 1,733 2010: 1,434 2011: 1,289 Robbery 1990: 3,541 1995: 3,329 2000: 3,098 2005: 3,810 2010: 3,369 2011: 3,244 Burglary 1990: 14,828 1995: 13,126 2000: 13,600 2005: 14,714 2010: 15,258 2011: 15,169 Larceny Theft 1990: 32,387 1995: 31,905 2000: 36,316 2005: 32,181 2010: 30,906 2011: 30,259 Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 8,466 1995: 7,040 2000: 7,180 2005: 8,014 2010: 4,159 2011: 3,615 Total Violent Crimes 1990: 7,022 1995: 6,624 2000: 5,998 2005: 6,203 2010: 5,472 2011: 5,185 Total Property Crimes 1990: 55,681 1995: 52,091 2000: 57,096 2005: 54,909 2010: 50,323 2011: 49,043 Columbus does not seem to follow any pattern. 2000 saw rises where other cities saw big drops, some rates rose mid-decade while others consistently fell. The bottom line is that 2011 saw rates near or at their low point in most cases.

Yeah, I thought so too, but that's what the FBI has for them. You'll notice, though, that almost everyone saw significant drops in 2000. Maybe it was a millenial thing.

Cleveland Murder 1990: 168 1995: 129 2000: 71 2005: 109 2010: 81 2011: 59 Rape 1990: 846 1995: 689 2000: 615 2005: 485 2010: 344 2011: 352 Aggravated Assault 1990: 3,259 1995: 3,108 2000: 2,271 2005: 2,089 2010: 1,923 2011: 1,847 Robbery 1990: 4,917 1995: 4,224 2000: 3,084 2005: 3,744 2010: 3,181 2011: 3,155 Burglary 1990: 10,198 1995: 7,693 2000: 7,435 2005: 8,624 2010: 9,871 2011: 10,697 Larceny Theft 1990: 15,289 1995: 13,764 2000: 12,969 2005: 13,238 2010: 10,131 2011: 10,502 Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 11,408 1995: 9,058 2000: 6,139 2005: 6,809 2010: 3,510 2011: 4,089 Total Violent Crimes 1990: 9,190 1995: 8,150 2000: 6,041 2005: 6,427 2010: 5,529 2011: 5,413 Total Property Crimes 1990: 36,895 1995: 30,515 2000: 26,543 2005: 28,671 2010: 23,512 2011: 25,288 In most cases, Cleveland's rates have been consistently falling. Year to year changes might be higher, such as 2010 to 2011, but the trends have been clear and did not really see the mid-decade rise that other cities saw, such as Cincinnati. Cleveland has probably had one of the best drops overall of all the cities.

Cincinnati Murder 1990: 49 1995: 50 2000: 22 2005: 79 2010: 68 2011: 61 Rape 1990: 388 1995: 408 2000: 284 2005: 324 2010: 236 2011: 177 Aggravated Assault 1990: 2,426 1995: 2,027 2000: 1,073 2005: 1,010 2010: 1,194 2011: 1,048 Robbery 1990: 1,613 1995: 2,155 2000: 1,404 2005: 2,319 2010: 2,117 2011: 1,771 Burglary 1990: 5,896 1995: 5,366 2000: 4,960 2005: 5,439 2010: 6,515 2011: 6,649 Larceny Theft 1990: 15,458 1995: 15,012 2000: 12,440 2005: 14,077 2010: 12,466 2011: 12,450 Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 1,677 1995: 1,913 2000: 2,029 2005: 2,956 2010: 1,619 2011: 1,270 Total Violent Crimes 1990: 4,476 1995: 4,640 2000: 2,783 2005: 3,732 2010: 3,615 2011: 3,057 Total Property Crimes 1990: 23,031 1995: 22,291 2000: 19,429 2005: 22,472 2010: 20,600 2011: 20,369 Cincinnati followed a pattern where crime dropped through the 1990s, bottomed out in 2000, rose through mid-decade and have been generally falling again since. 2011 is generally the low point or near the low point.

Crime has been in the news lately, most recently in a report that stated that national crime rates continued their general fall in 2011, part of a long-term decline. There are many theories out there about why crime is going down, but regardless of the causes, national rates are approaching levels not seen since the 1940s. Anyone who tells you crime is worse now than it used to be, especially given the way the news sensationalizes it all, really doesn't have the facts. The FBI's uniform crime stats are collected each year for agencies nationwide. You can search through them for cities from 1985-2010, and they have a link on their main page for the recently released 2011 numbers. I put them all together for Ohio's major cities since 1990 and here's what I came up with on how they've been changing in the state. I'll do a profile for each of Ohio's largest cities based on 5-year increments. Akron Murder Totals by Year 1990: 18 1995: 18 2000: 3 2005: 27 2010: 23 2011: 27 Rape 1990: 193 1995: 209 2000: 92 2005: 194 2010:164 2011: 164 Aggravated Assault 1990: 1,600 1995: 1,166 2000: 143 2005: 443 2010: 886 2011: 860 Robbery 1990: 773 1995: 875 2000: 372 2005: 625 2010: 602 2011: 717 Burglary 1990: 3,513 1995: 2,792 2000: 1,362 2005: 3,441 2010: 4,262 2011: 4,258 Larceny Theft 1990: 9,730 1995: 8,824 2000: 3,278 2005: 7,358 2010: 5,933 2011: 5,744 Motor Vehicle Theft 1990: 1,669 1995: 2,017 2000: 838 2005: 1,392 2010: 752 2011: 804 Total Violent Crimes 1990: 2,584 1995: 2,268 2000: 610 2005: 1,279 2010: 1,675 2011: 1,768 Total Property Crimes 1990: 14,912 1995: 13,633 2000: 5,478 2005: 12,191 2010: 10,947 2011: 10,806 Akron is probably the worst performing city in the state right now as far as trends go. While there were big drops in the 1990s, crime has generally been rising or holding steady at a higher level in most catergories since then. Still, in most cases, crime is down overall for the entire 1990-2011 period.

Can't wait to see the actual Jeffrey site plan. I hope it's a fairly dense development. There's a huge opportunity there with such a large amount of space and I would hate to see something low-density, like single-family housing or 1-2 story buildings go in there.

This post is about how individual industry jobs have recovered from their recession bottom. I only did the 3-Cs for this. The "peak" is based on when an industry had the most jobs in a metro area, while the bottom, of course, is the opposite. I focused solely on the 2006-2012 period, as that represented at least one full year prior to the start of the recession and at least a few years of recovery since the end of it. All peaks and bottoms happened in different months and in some cases different years depending on the metro. This is about measuring peak to trough and the recovery from that trough through April 2012. I think these numbers show a different side to the jobs numbers, as they're focused on the recovery aspect only and which industries are recovering the fastest and in which metro. First, overall Non-Farm jobs. Peak Cincinnati: 1,060,400 Cleveland: 1,090,200 Columbus: 957,200 Bottom Cincinnati: 959,000 Cleveland: 969,200 Columbus: 884,100 Total Non-Farm Jobs Loss Peak to Trough Cincinnati: -101,400 Cleveland: -121,000 Columbus: -73,100 April 2012 Non-Farm Jobs Cincinnati: 1,007,900 Cleveland: 988,800 Columbus: 928,000 % of Total Non-Farm Jobs recovered from trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 48.2% Cleveland: 16.2% Columbus: 60.1% For specific industries, I'm going to be a bit shorter and just get to the main points of recovery. Mining/Logging/Construction Job Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -22,900 Cleveland: -18,200 Columbus: -17,800 % of Mining/Logging/Construction Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 21.0% Cleveland: 14.3% Columbus: 25.8% Manufacturing Job Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -20,300 Cleveland: -34,800 Columbus: -17,500 % of Manufacturing Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 50.2% Cleveland: 24.4% Columbus: 0.0%*** ***Anytime you see a 0% change in recovery usually means that April 2012 represents the bottom for the industry in that metro. In this case, Columbus' share of manufacturing jobs reached a low that month. Trade/Transportation/Utilities Job Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -29,300 Cleveland: -34,200 Columbus: -28,600 % of Trade/Transportation/Utilities Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 15.0% Cleveland: 15.5% Columbus: 29.0% Information Jobs Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -2,000 Cleveland: -4,400 Columbus: -2,600 % of Information Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 0.0% Cleveland: 0.0% Columbus: 7.7% Financial Activities Job Losses peak to trough Cincinnati: -6,500 Cleveland: -10,500 Columbus: -6,600 % of Financial Activities Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 3.1% Cleveland: 7.6% Columbus: 45.5% Professional and Business Services Job Loss from peak to trough Cincinnati: -17,600 Cleveland: -20,900 Columbus: -14,000 % of Professional and Business Services Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 89.2% Cleveland: 46.4% Columbus: 85.0% Education and Health Job Loss peak to trough** **None of the metros actually lost jobs in this industry. All 3-Cs have had steady growth in this catergory before, during and after the recession. % of Education and Health Jobs recovered trough to April 2012.* Cincinnati: 91.8% Cleveland: 91.8% Columbus: 81.7% *For this, since there weren't any losses, I just took the lowest number during the 2006-2012 period and got the % change vs that and April 2012. Leisure and Hospitality Jobs Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -19,600 Cleveland: -24,300 Columbus: -13,700 % of Leisure and Hospitality jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 67.3% Cleveland: 20.6% Columbus: 62.0% Other Services Jobs Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -4,900 Cleveland: -4,400 Columbus: -3,600 % of Other Services Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 14.3% Cleveland: 13.6% Columbus: 72.2% Government Jobs Loss peak to trough Cincinnati: -19,300 Cleveland: -18,600 Columbus: -13,500 % of Government Jobs recovered trough to April 2012 Cincinnati: 59.1% Cleveland: 14.5% Columbus: 27.4%

None of this stuff is life and death. Either you enjoy the information for what it is or you don't. I have tried to just post the BLS numbers from the link I posted because I do agree, there are a lot of numbers out there and they don't always match. I'm sure there's an explanation for the differences and that they're measuring different things at different times, and some are probably seasonally adjusted and some aren't, but it's hard to find a reason behind them sometimes. I'm basically just reporting what these numbers are, I don't make them.

? International migration and natural increase are still more than covering any domestic migration losses, if they are still ocurring, that is. That's why the metro continues to grow. Domestic migration is just one part of the picture.

I used that link because it's difficult to find a breakdown of metro numbers like that, such as births, deaths and immigration trends. I also have this from Brookings, http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/state-of-metropolitan-america-indicator-map#/?subject=7&ind=72&dist=0&data=Number&year=2006&geo=metro&zoom=0&x=0&y=0 From that link, it shows the net domestic migration numbers from 2000 to 2006-2009 only, though. So from Brookings, the numbers for total domestic migration are: 2000-2006: -14,710 2000-2007: -16,064 2000-2008: -19,633 2000-2009: -18,313 So from this site, it does show a gain between 2008-2009. From the first link I posted, here would be the net changes: 2000-2006: -12,668 2000-2007: -13,501 2000-2008: -17,264 2000-2009: -17,648 Ironic that the link no one likes actually shows a more positive picture. Also, looking at data, I noticed that the Wall Street Journal at this link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704211704575140132450524648.html#project%3DCENSUSCHANGE_1003%26articleTabs%3Dinteractive used the exact same domestic migration numbers that my first link did. In any case, I've looked everywhere for yearly migration patterns for metro areas. The US Census site doesn't have a good breakdown that I could see, and most of the links on searches are older, from the 1990s or incomplete from the 2000s. The Enquirer article, unfortunately, did not really break it down either. So I guess until the Census comes out with more data, trust whatever link you want.

I read through it and it didn't specificaly state what the domestic migration was, only that the total in-migration was positive. This site here: http://recenter.tamu.edu/data/pop/popm/cbsa17140.asp shows domestic migration being negative every year since 2001 with the exception of 2006. The net growth seemed to be from births vs deaths plus positive international migration. From this site, at least, the Cincinnati metro hasn't had consistent domestic growth since the 1990s. I used this site for my migration trends post in another thread recently.