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http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/print-edition/2012/06/01/600-goodale-project-ready-to-rise.html Very strange location for this, basically in between highways and exit ramps, but the apartment project looks pretty nice. 174 new units in a 5-story building across from White Castle's HQ. http://www.columbusunderground.com/600-goodale-to-offer-modern-sophisticated-apartments Here's the CU link with more pictures. Very modern looking.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/print-edition/2012/06/01/flip-side-commits-to-yankee-trader.html Not really Arena District exactly, but close. The Yankee Trader building just north of the new Hilton on High St. has been vacant for awhile, but will now be redeveloped with office space, 11 apartments and a ground floor burger place.

I'd say that you just take it as good news. I'd think that having 20k+ more people employed vs last year is a good thing in Cleveland.

People continue to move to places with terrible economies (California, Nevada, North Carolina) too. Conclusion: people don't bother to research where they're moving and would rather live in a state perceived as "cool" or "up and coming" rather than economically stable or where they would have far more opportunity for upward mobility. The Sun Belt is notoriously bad with this.

Maybe all Ohio's metros just spend too much time in the pool...

I'm thinking that they just represent two different things and aren't meant to be measured together. I've been looking for definitions, but really haven't found them.

No, the 26,800 for Cleveland was for the increase in people who became employed over the last year. It's not the same thing as number of non-farm jobs, where Cleveland actually lost 800 in the last year.

I get the data from: http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.oh.htm However, I compile the data myself from the historic data on the site, so you won't find the year to year changes all laid out.

For March, I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible, and also add some state information as well. These are for metro areas. March 2012 and Change since March 2011 Civilian Labor Force Akron: 367,800 -5,600 Cincinnati: 1,095,600 +5,500 Cleveland: 1,085,700 +17,000 Columbus: 953,500 +4,000 Dayton: 406,700 -2,100 Toledo: 317,800 -1,000 Youngstown: 264,500 -2,200 Employment Akron: 339,300 -200 Cincinnati: 1,010,200 +17,300 Cleveland: 1,009,100 +24,200 Columbus: 888,900 +13,100 Dayton: 373,300 +2,900 Toledo: 290,000 +3,600 Youngstown: 241,900 +2,100 Unemployment Akron: 28,500 -5,400 Cincinnati: 85,300 -11,900 Cleveland: 76,600 -7,100 Columbus: 64,500 -9,200 Dayton: 33,400 -5,100 Toledo: 27,800 -4,500 Youngstown: 22,700 -4,100 Unemployment Rate Akron: 7.8% -1.3 Cincinnati: 7.8% -1.1 Cleveland: 7.1% -0.7 Columbus: 6.8% -1.0 Dayton: 8.2% -1.2 Toledo: 8.8% -1.3 Youngstown: 8.6% -1.5 As far as specific industries, I'm not going to break them down again unless people are interested in seeing that data. Here are the non-farm job totals, though. Non-Farm Jobs March 2011-March 2012, Total and Change Akron: 314,900 -100 Cincinnati: 996,600 +21,600 Cleveland: 980,800 -800 Columbus: 921,200 +15,700 Dayton: 375,200 +3,700 Toledo: 299,800 +4,400 Youngstown: 222,200 +2,100 Unemployment Rates by Specific Area, March 2011-March 2012 and Change City Akron: 8.6% -1.2 Cincinnati: 8.1% -1.1 Cleveland: 9.3% -0.8 Columbus: 6.8% -0.8 Dayton: 9.9% -1.2 Toledo: 9.2% -1.4 Youngstown: 10.4% -1.7 County Cuyahoga: 7.1% -0.8 Franklin: 6.8% -0.9 Hamilton: 7.5% -1.1 Lucas: 8.6% -1.3 Mahoning: 8.8% -1.5 Montgomery: 8.5% -1.1 Summit: 7.8% -1.2 EDIT: Made some changes to the first sets of numbers as the final ones came out today and some of them changed a bit.

Everyone wants to live in a dessert. Everyone eats McDonald's. Everyone drinks Bud Light. Everyone shops at Wal-Mart. Everyone watches Jersey Shore. Nothing surprises me in America anymore. If I could live in a dessert, it would pumpkin pie with whipped cream and a little pumpkin ice cream on the side.

I've talked some about foreign-born population, and did the numbers for the 3 largest counties, but not for the 7 largest metro counties, nor did I include 2010. So here they are. Foreign-born population by county, 1950-2010, total and % of population. Cuyahoga County Total 1950: 183,833 1960: 146,720 1970: 138,633 1980: 98,608 1990: 77,701 2000: 88,700 2010: 89,609 % of Population 1950: 13.2% 1960: 8.9% 1970: 8.1% 1980: 6.6% 1990: 5.5% 2000: 6.4% 2010: 7.0% Franklin County Total 1950: 13,046 1960: 15,426 1970: 17,882 1980: 22,080 1990: 31,542 2000: 64,253 2010: 103,544 % of Population 1950: 2.6% 1960: 2.3% 1970: 2.1% 1980: 2.5% 1990: 3.3% 2000: 6.0% 2010: 8.9% Hamilton County Total 1950: 25.654 1960: 25,790 1970: 22,658 1980: 20,590 1990: 21,636 2000: 28,441 2010: 36,909 % of Population 1950: 3.5% 1960: 3.0% 1970: 2.5% 1980: 2.4% 1990: 2.5% 2000: 3.4% 2010: 4.6% Lucas County Total 1950: 22,604 1960: 22,652 1970: 15,103 1980: 13,153 1990: 12,312 2000: 14,442 2010: 16,347 % of Population 1950: 5.7% 1960: 5.0% 1970: 3.1% 1980: 2.8% 1990: 2.7% 2000: 3.2% 2010: 3.7% Mahoning County Total 1950: 29,774 1960: 24,055 1970: 16,936 1980: 11,867 1990: 7,441 2000: 6,061 2010: 7,404 % of Population 1950: 11.6% 1960: 8.0% 1970: 5.6% 1980: 4.1% 1990: 2.8% 2000: 2.4% 2010: 3.1% Montgomery County Total 1950: 10,558 1960: 10,795 1970: 10,714 1980: 11,148 1990: 11,094 2000: 13,795 2010: 17,660 % of Population 1950: 2.6% 1960: 2.0% 1970: 1.8% 1980: 1.9% 1990: 1.9% 2000: 2.5% 2010: 3.3% Summit County Total 1950: 28,606 1960: 24,269 1970: 22,379 1980: 17,180 1990: 14,860 2000: 17,709 2010: 22,755 % of Population 1950: 7.0% 1960: 4.7% 1970: 4.0% 1980: 3.3% 1990: 2.9% 2000: 3.3% 2010: 4.2%

Southern California has always seemed like one giant trainwreck to me. I just couldn't do it.

My thoughts on this phase 2 retail section is that the developer has basically admitted that the economy for retail is just not there, and they're not interested in waiting for the urban development that they originally planned for. Instead, they're likely going to end up building anything from anyone interested in the site, and it won't matter if the development is urban or suburban, so long as something gets built. It's a huge wasted opportunity for this development and extremely disappointing that the developer has no interest in keeping to the original plans. It just seems like they've become tired of the project and want to move on as quickly as possible. The Giant Eagle might as well be at Hilliard-Rome Road with that layout. You have a large box store, a huge surface lot and a few fast-food drive-thrus on one end. The fact that they keep referring to this as a dense urban development is a joke.

I tend to agree. The way demographics are changing, I think that revitalization is much more likely to head east from Downtown through Bexley and Whitehall than to go northeast up through Cleveland Ave (even with proposed BRT). Not to say those areas can't get better too (even small changes in a positive direction are better than nothing), but I don't think the push is there yet. Demographic pattern changes, 2000 and 2010, by % change in census tracts. Whites in 2000: http://wapo.st/Kk9xrH Whites in 2010: http://wapo.st/Kka2Sv Whites dramatically increased in almost all of the central core areas including the Near East Side and the Easton area, but almost everywhere else the trend was more suburban. Blacks in 2000: http://wapo.st/KkagZP Blacks in 2010: http://wapo.st/KkaP5T Blacks seem to be moving further out to the suburbs in general and seem to be abandoning the East Side just as much in both years, though they have increased more on the West and North Sides including closer to Downtown in more tracts in 2010 than in 2000. Hispanics in 2000: http://wapo.st/KkbO6a Hispanics in 2010: http://wapo.st/KkbZ1r Hispanic populations seem to be growing strongly almost everywhere, from urban to suburban areas. However, there were noticeable differences on the North and West Sides, as well as Downtown, where growth seemed to accelerate in 2010 from 2000. The Near East and East Side were still positive as well, but not as strong as other areas. Still, this segment of the population is growing in areas that are generally losing other people. Asians in 2000: http://wapo.st/Kkd3Co Asians in 2010: http://wapo.st/Kkdf4x Asians as a whole seem to be the one group that is not following the rest of the trends. If anyone, the city had more losses in this population in 2010 than in 2000, where they seem to be moving increasingly to the suburbs. The Southeast and North sides in particular seem to have completely reversed their population growth with Asians to a net loss. However, that's not universally true. The urban core remains a strong point with Asians, and parts of the Near East Side saw their rate of population growth increase 2000 to 2010. Ultimately, there seems to be far more support and hope for the E. Main/E. Broad areas than Linden.

The neighborhood had another bad flood in 1959, but 1913 was the worst... for the entire state, really. It remains one of the nation's deadliest floods, at least one not associated with a hurricane. Still, I'm not so sure all those historic homes would exist now if the floods had never happened. Franklinton continued to grow in population through the 1940s and even into the 1950s. I do think the 1959 flood didn't help, but by then the urban exodus had already begun anyway, and the falling population was the real reason for lost buildings. Abandoned, left to rot, many of them were simply torn down.

We reuse 19th century architecture all the time. I don't think for a moment that most of the site could've been reused, but I do think the oldest and most historically interesting building could've been at least partially. It's the one that runs along the southern and western border from the map. I think it would've been very cool to have owned a renovated apt in such a building. Of course, then again, if you believe in things like ghosts, maybe it wouldn't be for everyone. The Pen was the site of one of the largest prison fires ever back in the 1930s, when over 300 inmates died. I don't think it was in that particular building though, but in another cellblock.

I have to say though, if you look at aerial maps from the 1990s to now, the difference is pretty dramatic. I still think parts of the Pen should've been incorporated, but the AD still turned out to be a fantastic development.

My point was that casinos, like the shale boom, have a lot of associated hype, but the results may not be what people were expecting. Casinos are not a sure thing, just ask Vegas, which has seen it's unemployment skyrocket and in-migration plunge. I like to get the full picture of things, not just look at a new shiny building or what some executive says about a project. And yeah, my comment about the boom was actually expressing worry, not malice or insult.

Yes. It basically forms the north/northwest boundary of downtown Columbus. It also acts as a transition from the traditional CBD core of the downtown to the Short North/Victorian Village neighborhood north of downtown. It's also a relatively recent "addition" to downtown Columbus if you will. Prior to the late 90's construction of Nationwide Arena (and the later Arena District development around it), the huge and vacant Ohio Penitentiary formed a stopping point to what most considered to be downtown proper. The Pen was 22 acres in total size and had imposing 30 foot high stone walls surrounding it. With the removal of the Pen, new development effectively blended the existing downtown with the Arena District. It also started redevelopment in the formerly industrial area west of the Pen (west of Neil Avenue). This is where the Columbus Clippers Huntington Park and the Buggyworks Building are located. To this day, I still believe that the only reason the Pen was completely torn down instead of partially incorporated into the AD was because of the wall. Specifically, I'm referring to the day that part of the wall collapsed onto a parked car. I think that gave the city and development concerns all the firepower needed to get rid of it as part of a saftey concern. The Civil War era main building was pretty awesome and would've made a hell of a tourist attraction as a renovated part of the new arena or even residential/offices. This is probably the one demolition of the last 20-25 years that I was truly disappointed in the city for. Luckily there hasn't been that many. BTW, to get a good idea of where the wall was, McPherson Commons basically follows where it was, at least on the west and south sides.

I'm actually glad it's nowhere near Downtown. Columbus' urban core is moving along just fine without the risky venture of plopping a casino and the potential associated problems in a revitalizing, successful area. If the casino ends up being successful, great. Then it will be able to help the Georgesville Road/W. Broad area. If not, well, hate to say it but the West Side doesn't exactly lose too much that hasn't already been lost, and at least it doesn't hurt the progress of Downtown. I was also just reading an article recently about how there's an increasing glut of casinos nationally. There's only so many dollars to go around, so it remains to be seen if any of Ohio's new casinos work out long term. It reminded me of the other article I read... about how shale gas is now being overdrilled and some states are having drastic drops in production because there isn't enough demand. Ohio, for now, is still ahead of the game and growing, but prices are at historic lows, and it makes me think the people of Northeast/Eastern Ohio are being set up for another letdown.

The Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown, Akron and Dayton metros were losing people through 2010. Dayton may be gaining now according to the latest estimate, though. One thing that seems to have no consistent pattern is domestic migration. International migration is going up in every metro, but domestic has no clear trend. In some metros the rate of loss is slowing, in others accelerating (same with growth), but it doesn't matter if the overall metro is growing or not. There seems to be no correlation at all. Births vs deaths, however, still seems to be the deciding factor in most cases. The oldest metros have the smallest differences, and therefore the natural rate of increase is surpassed by outmigration. So what's easier to do: have the population have more children or attract more people from other areas?

Population: Components of Growth 1980-2010 A LOT of talk the last several years has been about how migration factored the big Sun Belt boom of the last few decades, but really, natural increase such as births vs deaths plays a big role in most cities. Ohio's two biggest weakness are domestic migration and the ratio of births vs deaths. Both of these contribute to the low growth of the state, and in many cases, the decline of metro populations. Akron MSA 1980-1989 Average Births: 9,157 Average Deaths: 5,754 Difference: +3,403 1990-1999 Births: 9,579 Deaths: 6,246 Difference: +3,333 Domestic Migration: -447 International Migration: +317 Total Migration: -130 2000-2009 Births: 7,963 Deaths: 6,208 Difference: +1,755 Domestic Migration: -1,807 International Migration: +583 Total Migration: -1,224 Akron Trends Births: Down Deaths: Up Domestic Migration: Down International Migration: Up Total Migration: Down Cincinnati MSA 1980-1989 Average Births: 28,652 Average Deaths: 15,816 Difference: +12,836 1990-1999 Births: 29,351 Deaths: 17,129 Difference: +12,222 Domestic Migration: +2,885 International Migration: +1,055 Total Migration: +3,940 2000-2009 Births: 28,119 Deaths: 16,901 Difference: +11,218 Domestic Migration: -1,878 International Migration: +2,374 Total Migration: +496 Cincinnati Trends Births: Down Deaths: Up Domestic Migration: Down International Migration: Up Total Migration: Down Cleveland MSA 1980-1989 Births: 32,081 Deaths: 21,087 Difference: +10,994 1990-1999 Births: 30,861 Deaths: 21,109 Difference: +9,752 Domestic Migration: -11,464 International Migration: +1,909 Total Migration: -9,555 2000-2009 Births: 25,003 Deaths: 20,018 Difference: +4,985 Domestic Migration: -14,010 International Migration: +2,940 Total Migration: -11,070 Cleveland Trends Births: Down Deaths: Down Domestic Migration: Down International Migration: Up Total Migration: Down Columbus MSA 1980-1989 Births: 20,781 Deaths: 10,288 Difference: +10,493 1990-1999 Births: 23,337 Deaths: 11,704 Difference: +11,633 Domestic Migration: +4,889 International Migration: +1,367 Total Migration: +6,256 2000-2009 Births: 24,556 Deaths: 12,225 Difference: +12,331 Domestic Migration: +3,426 International Migration: +4,170 Total Migration: +7,596 Columbus Trends Births: Up Deaths: Up Domestic Migration: Down International Migration: Up Total Migration: Up Dayton MSA 1980-1989 Births: 12,574 Deaths: 6,930 Difference: +5,644 1990-1999 Births: 12,121 Deaths: 7,763 Difference: +4,358 Domestic Migration: -5,695 International Migration: +450 Total Migration: -5,245 2000-2009 Births: 10,259 Deaths: 7,590 Difference: +2,669 Domestic Migration: -4,458 International Migration: +582 Total Migration: -3,876 Dayton Trends Births: Down Deaths: Up Domestic Migration: Up International Migration: Up Total Migration: Up Toledo MSA 1980-1989 Births: 10,251 Deaths: 6,028 Difference: +4,223 1990-1999 Births: 9,736 Deaths: 6,232 Difference: +3,504 Domestic Migration: -4,116 International Migration: +370 Total Migration: -3,746 2000-2009 Births: 8,251 Deaths: 5,801 Difference: +2,450 Domestic Migration: -3,933 International Migration: +647 Total Migration: -3,286 Toledo Trends Births: Down Deaths: Down Domestic Migration: Up International Migration: Up Total Migration: Up

Well, before the completion of the floodwall, it was very difficult if not impossible to get approved for renovation or new builds in Franklinton because of federal law. And I think it just took a few more years after that for many people to start realizing the real potential of the area. And I know you like to blame the city for everything, but if I was the city in 2008, I wouldn't necessarily want to be throwing money into a neighborhood that still had a nebulous future and no real guarantee of return, especially when we were clearly heading into a deep recession at the time. Regardless of what anyone thinks of what should've happened, the fact is that, right now, Franklinton has more momentum than it's seen in decades. The best thing anyone can do is to continue to support it and to build on it. The city is spending money to redevelop the area around COSI, so it's no longer ignoring the area anyway.

I'm just glad to finally see some real momentum going in Franklinton. It could easily be one of the best neighborhoods in the city, but it's going to take a ton of time and more and more people taking a chance moving and investing there. The redevelopment of the Scioto Peninsula will be huge for the eastern half.

I'm not sure I see where you're getting that Columbus has lost some big advantage on employment growth. Further, I'm not sure what you mean by "employment growth" to start with. If you're referring to the civilian labor force, Columbus has long been the clear winner in that regard. With it comes to labor force, Columbus had the #1 growth of Ohio's large metros from 1985-1990, 1990-1995, 1995-2000, 2000-2005, 2005-2010 and in all years since. In fact, in any combination of years since 1985 Columbus leads in the growth of it's labor force. In the entire 1985-2012 period, its labor force grew by almost 128,000, while every other large Ohio metro had it shrink. If you're instead referring to total non-farm jobs, it's a similar story. The numbers only go back to 1990, but Columbus lead this catergory in 1990-1995, 1995-2000, 2000-2005, 2005-2010 and 2010-2012. It also lead the entire 1990-2012 period. The metro had these jobs grow in all but the 2005-2010 catergory, but had one of the lowest losses in the period. The only time it didn't lead was in the last year, and only one metro (Cincinnati) was ahead by a few thousand. This does not suggest a wholesale change unless it can be sustained. Thanks for helping to make my point. You can win a race by an inch or a mile. Both may get you the gold, but the former looks and feels very different than the latter. Similarly, you can win a race even if you slowed down toward the end while your competition sped up. That is what is happening in ohio metros; their relative performance in changing. I'm still not seeing that. What I do see is that, given that Cincinnati has a larger metro and a larger amount of total jobs to begin with, the changes + or - tend to be larger year to year, but Columbus ends up ahead in the longer term. Here's the progression since 1990 of non-farm job % growth. Columbus had the lead 1990-1995, Cincinnati led 1995-1997, Columbus led 1997-2002, Cincinnati 2002-2004, Columbus 2004-2005, Cincinnati 2005-2006, Columbus 2006-2007, Cincinnati 2007-2008, Columbus 2008-2011, Cincinnati 2011-2012. So Columbus led 15 out of the last 22 years. 1990-1995 Average % Growth Columbus: 2.0% Cincinnati: 1.2% Cleveland: 0.9% 1995-2000 Average % Growth Columbus: 2.6% Cincinnati: 2.2% Cleveland: 1.6% 2000-2005 Average % Growth Columbus: 0.2% Cincinnati: 0.2% Cleveland: -1.3% 2005-2010 Average % Growth Columbus: -0.4% Cincinnati: -0.9% Cleveland: -1.5% 2010-2012 Average % Growth Columbus: 1.5% Cincinnati: 1.0% Cleveland: 0.0%