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This wasn't a good pick, it sucked. He's going to be another bum and a laughing stock of a 4th overall pick when next year ends and for years to come. Since Kanter was gone, it had to be trade or Vesely. Like I said, we had a chance to make a splash but we bricked it. What a waste, fire this garbage GM before he screws up our 2nd round picks.

I just got kicked out for extreme profanity after our number 4 pick. :whip:

Would have much rather picked Vesely, kid can play 2 positions well and act as a 5 if need be. This draft sucked. We had a chance to make a splash and we pick a guy who we already have in JJ Hickson. I'm just about done with Cleveland sports. These teams are destined to be losers.

Somebody shoot me if we take that Jonas Valanduytewmnbancaqi kid. I personally think it's all positioning for a trade in case Kanter is off the board.

First off, Utah likes Knight because they don't have a legit PG and this is a PG rich draft, so it would make sense for them to grab their PG of the future. Cavs won't make any big trades, I'm hearing that they want to trade both 2nd round picks for another 1st rounder in the 20's. This is the only trade I could see. Why would we trade the 4th pick for a 6th and 18th or whatever it was? I don't think the Cavs want 20 rookies on a roster of 12. At the end of the day, I think, just as usual, 99% of the rumored trades around the league don't happen. The Cavs will take Irving and Kanter if he's available, if not they'll take Vesely. If they can't trade their two 2nd rounder for another 1st rounder, they'll pick up a pure scorer with the 31st pick and probably a project big at the end of the 2nd. Our trade exception probably won't be used tonight unless it's for a huge splash like Rudy Gay. If I had a gun to my head I'd say that this trade exception just expires unused.

Some were talking about the Agora, the Agora is going to remain a club, they have shows booked and will keep on. They did sell (or are going to sell) a portion that consists of where the current entrance is. The entrance used to be in another spot, that old spot will be re-made into the entrance. I'm not sure what the plans are for the sold part of the building but from what I hear the owner is being very particular and may have some sort of say in what it ultimately becomes.

She started the whole thing with the Detroit Shoreway, Room Service was the first or one of the first to open up there. It would be fitting for her to get some retail up and going downtown. As much as my fiance was in RS I'm sure we'll be visiting this store soon enough.

Irving and Kanter If Kanter is off the board, try to trade down, if you can't then reach for Vesley.

Lebron is a different kind of player, he has the skill set and size of a 3 but needs the ball in his hands to be effective. I've said that since his 3rd year. I also said that he and Wade won't work well together because they both need the ball to be effective. But all it would take is for Lebrons ego, not his skill set, to change. (not sure which one would be harder to change or improve on) Besides, Lebron got plenty of touches during the finals, he just passed the ball as soon as he touched it. As for Williams being a tweener, he won't have a roster spot on most teams. I'm pretty sure he'll drop to 4 if the Cavs want him that badly, the T-Wolves don't want him, and Utah needs a PG, so they won't take him. I sure as hell don't want a 6'7" PF on my team, regardless of how big his wingspan is. The last inch on his finger won't do so good when defending guys like Pau Gasol in games. I want real size. Hickson is already undersized enough at 6'9". Bottom line is that I want Irving and Kanter, IMO those two guys will give us the two most important positions in the game, PG and center, for years to come. Tough and physical, can play with his back to the basket, can stretch the floor to 16 feet, strong rebounder. I'm not saying he is going to be or has to be Shaq or Dwight, he just has to be a very good center that protects the rim, gathers in 9 or more rebounds a game and gives you 15 points. Williams will be a liability on the defensive end for his first 2 years at least, if he's anything like in college he'll be missing in action for a bunch of games during the year and either be playing out of position, taking over for a player we've developed nicely or coming in off the bench where we already have Andy, Samuels and Jamison playing the same spot. But like I said before, if we take him, I hope he's the best player he can be and wins us a ton of games and championships over the years.

Dude, if Williams has half LeBron's talent, I don't care how much of a tweener he is, we'll deal with it. I for one think that in today's NBA, designated positions 1s, 2s, 3s and 4s, esp, are increasingly irrellevant... The Heat didn't go down because LeBron was a tweener, they went down because he completely lost his nerve in the clutch, plus, his coach had a piss-poor game plan. Rick Carlisle ran rings around Spoelstra... I mean Dirk Nowitski is 5, who really plays the 4 but, really, almost plays the 3 in many ways -- he's usually way out on the wing spotting up for jumpers and, until this playoffs, very really took it to the rim... Jason Terry's a 2 who, in crunch time these finals, really was a surrogate point guard the way he played on the ball, ran the pick'n roll and set up his bigs... I'm in love with Derrick Williams skills. Be he a 4 or a stretch 3, we will open up the floor the way he can hit spot up jumpers from the wing. He can also handle the ball -- though he's no LeBron, obviously, at this point... Like I said, I'll take a an extreme talent like Williams and work him in somewhere. I really like the idea a front line with him and JJ... that is, if we somehow grab Williams and don't deal JJ... Lebron is and never has been a tweener, he can play all positions 1-4 but his best and most natural position is the small forward spot. Dirk is only a center by height, not skill set which is what determines a persons position. Bottom line, you're confusing a player stepping in and playing limited minutes at an off position for a guy who will play 90% of his time at a particular position. And as for my not wanting Williams, he isn't good enough to play the 3 and he's an undersized 4 where we already have like 15 power forwards on our roster. Derrik Williams was known for disappearing during many games throughout the season and showed spurts of being really good, but didn't do it on a game in game out basis. If he's there at # 4 I think we'll be able to make one hell of a trade that should help this team a lot more than picking up a huge question mark that will come with off the court issues.

As of right now it's a guess among NBA GM's let alone a bunch of people on a message board as far as who's going to be a bust and a HOFer. Personally, I like a physical center and I see that in kanter, and dude can jump, I saw him getting up plenty at the scouting combine. I do not want Williams or that "Big V" guy. I'd be willing to trade out of the 4 spot or take that Vesley kid before those two. Like I said before, Williams is too Lebron like for my taste, plus him being a tweener scares me, tweeners usually don't fit in too well in the NBA. And that Jonas kid seems like another soft center that will get beat up in the middle and provide little to bring us what we need, rebounding and defense. Whatever pick(s) and trade(s) we make, I just hope they turn out for the best. I want a winner and that's all I care about.

Really??? I thought that I kept hearing something about Detroit wanting Sessions in the deal. I wonder if there's a loophole that can make it work without technically being traded in the same package as the trade exception?

A week away from the draft and all we know for sure is that Irving will go number 1. Other than that I think everything is up in the air. I'm almost more excited to see what kind of trades we pull off. Sessions and trade exception for Rip Hamilton and the 8th overall pick???? Using our two 2nd round picks to jump back into the 1st round? It's not like this team is concerned with locking up roster spots with 1st round picks. The player I keep hearing rumors about being shopped that makes me nervous is Hickson, I'd love to see him stick around to see what he does this year. The only way I trade him is if we can pull of a package trade for a Rudy Gay or similar caliber player. What kind of day would that be? Irving at number 1, Kanter at number 4, trade for Detroits number 8 and pick up Biyombo with that pick. Then trading Hickson and another guy or two for Rudy Gay. I know, it's never going to go down like that but one can dream.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/06/cleveland_casino_developer_wil.html#incart_hbx It looks like both sides got a little of what they wanted, Higbee building stays open permanantly and they get their stupid slot machines at the race track. In turn Ohio gets more money. Just throw a craps table in the middle of public square and I'd be happy. Now people cant be so upset about the Columbia coming down for a temporary casino seeing as how it will forever be part of the casino complex.

Who else saw Lebron's presser? When asked about all the people who are happy he failed he went on to give the most passive aggressive rant I've ever seen. He said that those people (the ones rooting against him) had to live their normal lives with all of our problems while he goes on and does what he does and lives a happy life. :wtf: He claimed that he doesn't listen to or let the naysayers get to him. What a pompous jackass, I wish nothing but the worst for that guy, not just in basketball but in everyday life as well.

Lets end it all tonight. :shoot: Cryami cHeat gotta go down

Yeah, they seem tall enough to me. Unless some sort of semi major residencies were built on top, I wouldn't see the need for them being much bigger.

I used to go to that co-op all the time, and when they built the one on Coventry it was so useful for the year I actually lived there with no car. The place got depressing though, the shelves were empty and there was nothing in the freezers. I knew it wouldn't last at that point. And that was a couple years ago, I'm shocked it lasted this long. I do hope that they can find a new place to open up, maybe in that new development being built along Euclid, someone did say a grocery store was locked in, didn't they?

Gibson is a decent 3 point shooter, that's about it. Perhaps on a good team that is valuable, but not on a rebuilding team, especially when you're paying him 4 mil a year. He sucks at creating for himself and is only useful as a guy to park outside the arc and wait for the PG to penetrate and kick or place him and a dominant post player on the weak side together and wait for his man to help for the big to kick out to him. He had good strength on defense for a small guy too, I'll give him that much. Maybe there's a team out there who's missing that type of player who would be willing to give us something decent for him, but I can't think of who that may be. If he's traded I see him being packaged in with another player, like Sessions :cry: to a team for a draft pick or a veteran small forward. Otherwise he'd be more contract than most teams would be willing to take on given what he brings to the table.

Hickson came alive and showed his potential during the last 30 or so games last year. I predicted a 20/10 by the end of last season, obviously I was a bit premature and optimistic, but I don't see any reason that he can't be by mid season/late this season. I think we can have Davis, Irving and Sessions all on the same team. All 3 can play off the ball, so you have versatility there. If we can trade Gibson, that would be a gift from above, he's not that good at anything and is overpaid. I'd take a top notch sweat mop guy for him.

I hope that they find someway to keep Sessions through all of this, doubt it though. He'd be so productive as a scoring backup PG in this league. If he doesn't have to worry about getting people involved and can let the game come to him, either by scoring or dishing out, he's a much better player. Not to mention that he'd be PERFECT for that two PG set Scott likes to run. With him and Irving on the floor together it would be a tough match up for many defenses.

I think top 4 would be a little high, but he is still the only player we should consider. The beauty of getting Irving and hopefully Kanter is that the entire nucleus of the team will be ridiculously young. Rose, D Williams, Chris Paul...that's about it as far as ELITE. Meaning total package. Rondo would be up there if it weren't for his lack of offensive game and so would someone like Nash if he weren't as old as he is. You can argue guys like Westbrook to be up there but I don't think he's a complete PG. Irving can create for himself and others, he'll come into the league as a pretty good defender already and only improve plus he can play off the ball with his shooting ability. Yeah, young would be one word if our starting line up was IRVING (1), EYENGA (2), GEE (3), HICKSON (4) and KANTER (5) which is likely the case unless we lose out on Kanter and/or trade for a legit, veteran 3. Either way I don't see Andy starting at center this season, they'll keep Samuels around if need be and have him play or they'll start that Erden kid who we picked up last year. But he's only in his second or third year as well. I think we all found out the hard way that Andy isn't cut out to be a starting center. He's an energy back up for the 4/5 spots, that's where he's most productive.

Plus, Williams has this attitude that reminds me WAY too much of Lequeen. I don't want that kind of player on this team, not with the current rules in the NBA allowing the players to run the league. You can tell he wants to be the #1 pick for nothing more than his ego, not because he cares about helping the Cavs turn things around. The European players seem to be more loyal and Kanter seems like the type that would stick with his team and teammates through thick and thin. The same with Irving, he seems like a good kid with a good upbringing who will be thankful to play in the NBA and love playing for a team that's on the up and up. Not to mention that he has a chance at being a top 4 PG within a couple of years in the league.

My biggest fear is that Kanter will go to the T-Wolves, if he does, trade out of that 4 spot for a veteran SF (if you have a trade partner that is). Or trade down no further than the 11 or 12 spot, and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. Irving and Kanter are the only two legit top 3 or 4 picks in this draft. The Jazz will take a PG at 3 out of need, not talent. We can only hope that Minny trades out to a team that wants Derrick Williams that badly or that they end up picking Williams, which I do not see happening. If we can't find a trade partner you may have to reach for a player like Vesely. And we've drafted a few good players. Crawford could have been a great 2 for us right now and during the jackass era and Haywood is a solid starting center on most teams (Cavs being one of them) But we don't keep the good players we draft. And somebody call me crazy if they must, but I see Eyenga being a VERY good 2 in this league. His shot started to come around last year, both off the dribble and catch and shoot. He can slash to the rim with his speed and athleticism. And his defense just needs some fundamentals fine tuned. I see a bright future for the Cavs, that's if Stern lets them win anything in his WWE type sport he's got going.

My fiance went to college at Ithaca, she's been waiting to take me for years now but we've never had the chance. This year we're making the time at the end of July. I'll have to show her these pictures, she'd probably love them.