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This would probably make Varejao expendable unfortunately. Pick up another first rounder in 2012? PG Irving PF Hickson C Kanter sounds like some great pieces. I disagree, Andy is at his best when coming off the bench filling in at the 4 or 5 spot. Kyrie at the 1, Eyenga (raw yes, needs work yes, but he's going to be GOOD) at the 2 spot, 3 spot is open for a free agent or trade, JJ Hickson at the 4 and Kanter at the center. This gives us Andy and Sessions off the bench, throw in a couple more pieces and we're a contender in a few years.

To think that the Cavs have a chance at drafting me now. :clap:

Actually, I think the Clippers trade was the pick that got us the number one pick. When we leap frogged from number 8 we were guaranteed a top 3 pick, so our pick got us the 4th pick and Mo Williams and Moon were traded for Kyrie Irving. Either way, we can grab Irving and Kanter and lock down our 1 and 5 spot for years to come.

That's got to be really old, the hotel isn't even next to the office tower, the office tower now is 18 stories while it's listed as 22 stories there. That was probably a very early rough draft of a lay out.

Farmers markets, art fairs, outdoor concerts...should be a good way to get people down there. Once this is built, will the rapid line start running consistently again? Has this been determined yet?

I'm not complaining about green space, I want green space over most other things, I was just saying that it's got to be more than just some random grass lots.

I'm not saying it has to be the size and magnitude of it, just in the same vein. Something that isn't just a patch of grass with a few benches. It has to be something to draw people in as a gathering place while they're in Cleveland and for locals as well. I'm sure a reflective sculpture that looks like a kidney bean doesn't take 6 years or cost a hundy mil. Some parks for families with kids, space to hold free events, a couple cool sculptures to give people something to look at. I guess I'm in the wrong thread, because this stuff should be more of a mall type thing, but I just thought that some open space in the flats should have a mini version of something like this.

I think it looks good so far. But the whole beach volleyball things seems a bit played and generic at this point. It seems like the go to idea because all they have to do is throw up a net on some sand. We already have sand volleyball on whiskey island a hop skip and jump across the river. We need a unique difference between flats east and the malls, not just a couple of areas with grass and sand (I know there will be no sand on the malls) I fear that we will be stuck with a bunch of boring grass/sand lots downtown with no real feel to the area. If you go to grant park/millennium park in Chicago you'll see attractions like the bean, and those two walls where water spits out into a shallow wading area for kids. (sorry for being vague for those who don't know what I'm talking about) Maybe a big walmart down there would look good :wink: I don't have all the answers but I just hope that a group of people can come together and pull ideas together to come up with something that makes us stand out from other cities and similar projects.

I'm not fooled by anything, the sheeple are fooled by the scare tactics and lies by the right wing conservatives. And why no response to the comparison of all the other tax cuts for major corporations? I'm not against high tax on the rich and big business, not at all. I just don't want a religious agenda to play a part in blockading a citizen voted plan from going through to completion. We have a company willing to pay a good amount of tax and create half way decent jobs (I would never call 30K a year a good job) not to mention all the trickle down jobs it will create in construction, service industries, retail and so on. Anyone who's backing Kasich on this is worthless and should leave Ohio asap.

gottaplan, the problem that I see is the hypocrisy by the right wing kooks. All those scum scream for is less tax for the rich and big business and more tax for the middle class. Diebold gets tax breaks, republicans cry that Cuyahoga county doesn't give enough tax breaks to keep companies. The right are the ones who quickly give in to, and encourage, corporate extortion at the expense of the everyday tax payer. BUT, now you flip the situation and make one of those companies one that the religious freaks are against (because it will hurt their bingo nights and casino nights) and all of a sudden they want more tax and what's fair for the regular tax payer. BS!!! As far as I knew, the 33% tax rate wasn't even that bad, it was the license fee that we kind of low at 50mil seeing as how other companies agreed to pay more than double that amount. And as an educated person, I knew this and still voted for this because it's better to get this going then keep revisiting the same ol same ol year after year and getting nothing. Not to mention that this included 4 casinos, so we got 200mil instead of maybe just one casino in Ohio where they pay 100 or even 150mil for a license.

Well, keep in mind this was told to me quite a while ago. So strategy may have very well changed since then.

You're fine with the state going against what was voted upon by the people of Ohio????

The guy who would kill his mother for lower taxes for big corporations is putting his foot down on THIS business that just so happens to be against the moral fiber of most of his voters. I've been driving hours to get to casinos for years and I'm sick of it. I want my casino that we voted for.

I'm in real estate and took a tour just before the completion of the single completed building and they said no other phase will begin until the current one is (60%?? maybe, can't remember the exact number) sold. And each one of those side buildings, the one east of the current one, and the couple that were supposed to wrap around E12th were a different phase. Not to mention the one across the street in that empty parking lot. So, all in all I'd say that there's no reason that the other phases won't go through once these legal issues get resolved and these things actually start selling. Just may take a while. I could be wrong though seeing has how I have no inside knowledge.

Fox 8 news just announced that construction has been haulted due to the scumbag governor wanting higher taxes paid by the casino. Construction won't continue until a resolution is found.

That probably makes the most sense to me. Never thought of that.

The one in Pittsburgh isn't in the heart of the city. It's KIND OF close to the stadiums and museums. It's not a few blocks from places like E 4th and the warehouse district, not to mention public square and what lays ahead for Euclid. You can't walk to Rivers casino from the heart of downtown, but you can walk from any downtown hotel to the Higbee building or new construction casino. Pittsburgh and Detroit are horrible examples. St. Louis is a better example except for the fact that our casino will be much nicer than what they call casinos. But as far as location in relation to downtown attractions it's a comparable.

I know it's common, and I figured it was a way to block the view, but I just never knew why they cared if people could see into a construction site. It's annoying because when I take my son down there to see the trucks working we have to find a place to see in, and usually it's at a gate where we get yelled at to move for in/out going trucks.

Why do they put up those black things to block the view in?

First off, I know I'm not allowed to insult people, but you may want to be careful in what context you use words. I'm pretty sure we're not censoring a food supply. LOL Our media is very censored, it's more of a commercial and an outlet for scare tactics being pumped out by corporate America. There are only a handful of places in this country that carry al jazeera or other legitimate news outlets. I don't (and most people that know world economics and politics) know how the US is successful. Our distribution of wealth in this country is designed to trickle up. We aren't healthy, happy or wealthy. 3% of America's population own 90% of the capital. We're not near the top of manufacturing companies, we're not near the top of wealth per capita. We have a high crime rate due to desperate situations we place our citizens in. We'd rather have video games where you shoot up a bunch of people then have a gay couple get married. We really are a laughing stock to the rest of the world. It's just we're so isolated and lied to, people like you don't get to see the truth.

So YOU don't need government to tell you what you can and can't eat but everyone else does, huh? Because you're obviously more enlightened than everyone else... People should have the freedom to do as they please so long as it doesn't impact another individual. Just as you have made the decision to be vegan others should have the freedom to make decisions about what goes into their body. We all make individual choices to that end and what works for you may not work for someone else. The reason that the smoking ban doesn't bother me is because that act of smoking can impact the health of another person that's in close proximity. This makes perfect sense in public parks and such... still don't think it makes sense in private bars and restaurants, but whatever. I'll let the trans fat ban slide because there are healthier alternatives out there that shouldn't impact the quality or taste of the food we eat to any significant degree. But I've stated previously that I would have preferred a labeling requirement on the menu so you know if you're eating something prepared with trans fat oil. You obviously have no idea how successful countries are run. Typical for people living within the US. We are very segregated from the rest of the world and our media is very censored. People are pretty stupid for the most part, I'm not stupid. Am I the smartest person in the world, probably.. :-D but that's beside the point. But people don't have the mentality to be aware that these companies are more concerned with putting cheap ingredients into their foods then they are about our health. There are plenty of aware people out there, but most of the fat parents with their fat kids coming up to the park with their McDonalds bags and drinking stuff with dyes and chemicals in them, it proves to me that these people need saved from themselves. Not to mention their kids need saved from the parents. Federally, we need to ban these products, like all the other civilized countries have already done, so it's not up to a state.

That scumbag hands out tax breaks and state grants like they're halloween candy but when him and his freaks are morally opposed to something, than he becomes captain corporate tax.

Pittsburgh's infrastructure is one of the worst, big city congestion with smaller city amenities. I like our (Cleveland's) museum area much better, University circle is a very park like setting opposed to most of Pittsburgh's are right across the river from downtown and you feel very claustrophobic while you're there. Pittsburgh was ahead of Cleveland ditching the steel type production and moved towards technology based jobs, but now Cleveland is turning that corner, so that argument would have worked 5 or more years ago, but not so much today. They don't have NYC night life and neither does Cleveland so you're kind of tied in that area. Cost of living is much less in Cleveland. Food goes to Cleveland, parks go to Cleveland. AND, most important of all, if you live in Cleveland, you don't have to live near Steeler fans. Case closed.

I don't need the government for anything of the sort, but most people do. I've been vegan for nearly 20 years, eat healthy, have never smoked, drank or done a drug. I'm as healthy as I need to be. We have deregulated corporations to the point where they put the cheap, unhealthy crap in our food where they are forced to remove those same ingredients when shipping products to other countries. We grow up being taught to except, and to listen to your authority. When we're told certain things by those in power or given certain things, people don't believe that it would be available if it were indeed that bad for you. I make my own decisions, I don't need a government but all the indoctrinated sheeple across the US do need it.

"Nanny-State" blah blah blah, you conservative losers need a knew catch phrase. Try looking at the other great countries of the world and how they differ from us. Take a look at our fat, unemployed, uneducated, unhappy a$$es and then look at the happy people living their wonderful lives in their "nanny states". Ignorance is a scary thing.