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http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/issue-2-could-change-the-balance-of-power-in-ohio/nSTfg/

Poltifact says Republican ad misleads voters about issue 2

Ballot language The ballot language of the measure reads as follows:[2] “ The proposed amendment would: 1. Remove the authority of elected representatives and grant new authority to appointed officials to establish congressional and state legislative district lines. 2. Create a state funded commission of appointed officials from a limited pool of applicants to replace the aforementioned. The Commission will consist of 12 members as follows: four affiliated with the largest political party, four affiliated with the second largest political party and four not affiliated with either of the two largest political parties. Affirmative votes of 7 of 12 members are needed to select a plan. 3. Require new legislative and congressional districts be immediately established by the Commission to replace the most recent districts adopted by elected representatives, which districts shall not be challenged except by court order until the next federal decennial census and apportionment. In the event the Commission is not able to determine a plan by October 1, the Ohio Supreme Court would need to adopt a plan from all the plans submitted to the Commission. 4. Change the standards and requirements in the Constitution for drawing legislative and congressional districts. 5. Mandate the General Assembly to appropriate all funds as determined by the Commission including, but not be limited to, compensating: 1. Staff 2. Consultants 3. Legal counsel 4. Commission members If approved, the amendment will be effective thirty days after the election. Shall the amendment be approved?

there isn't any angled parking, it is all parallel parking. I know the sense of scale is missing from the video. PDF lower Prospect proposal I was going to place buildings on the corners instead of parks, but I realized that there wasn't any public space within the entire corridor. this site could contain up to 80,000 SQ/ft of modern clear span retail space and 300-450 new /residential units.

http://www.noaca.org/CUYSR2PID91115.html

Student redevelopment proposal for Lower prospect. Apologize for the the roughness of the Video. Love to hear opinions on This proposal

It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what ODOT thinks. One other thing worth noting here, and ties back to some of KJP's comments about major roads being shut down, and possibly the Main Avenue Bridge, in the near future due to lack of funding... while I totally respect KJP's insight on transportation issues, I just don't see this ever happening. Not because it doesn't make financial sense, but because our elected leaders will never go for it. Road work = jobs. What candidate is going to successfully run on the platform that more roads need closed down and they are going to work toward that goal? At the same time, the road building industry is a powerful lobby. Labor unions, asphalt, concrete, steel & stone suppliers, equipment companies... they will bankroll candidates who vow to support bigger road budgets. Who's bankrolling candidates that say "shut it down, let it be overtaken by nature"? The very topic we are discussing, the Shoreway conversion, is being pitched very hard because local leaders want this construction project in their backyard, to show progress, to show jobs & economic activity. Who wants a busted up broken down highway in their district with pi$$ed off commuters in their district? Nobody. So just like local leaders "found" money for the second Innerbelt bridge and "found" money to move forward with the 73rd interchange on the Shoreway, I'm sure they will find money to replace the Main Avenue bridge and whatever else is needed. 444 million at gold plated rates for a light rail line parallel to route 2, Transit actually creates more jobs than roads do. in addition it creates more jobs simply from the operation of transit line. I am seeking to frame a Choice between the status Quo and the alternatives. We have a public that wants better roads, better transit and more transportation choice. but is unwilling to give up anything to get it. The Choice is this Would you give up the main avenue bridge to pay for an expansion of Transit system to Western Suburbs? would you prefer this? route 2 is a specil situation because the politicians have already agreed to downgrade the roadway, at the expense of the commuter losing the bridge may not be as big of a leap as you think.

It move up and down as much as Columbus or center street bridge do. the location of the bridge has 0 impact on the number of times it has to be moved, it is already upriver from the shipping canal. Hole in our functional highway system? much like a 35mph boulevard would right? hey which is greater asset, a developable west bank of the flats, the greater connectivity to the Lakefront, increased multimodal options for flats and ohio city residents, Or the 31,000 users saving 3 mins in travel time per day? interesting point but I think your numbers are skewed to support your argument. a new high level bridge probably isn't necessary. Massive structural support work could be done for half the price you quoted and likely extend the bridge life for decades especially if heavy bus & truck traffic is kept off. No way you could do a lift bridge for $50 million to carry the traffic over the river. The foundations for each side, the connecting roadways, traffic signalization further up stream, plus the hoist system and at least two lanes in each direction, you're more like $100 million and likely 150 million. Gilmerton Bridge cost for the 6 lane 250 foot span including a 200 foot and a 500 foot approach ramp cost 134 million dollars. for comparison the Main avenue lift bridge would be 4 lanes with out appreciable approach decks and minimum span of only 220 feet. St. Croix Crossing Mn and Wi http://www.dot.state.mn.us/stcroixcrossing/pdf/TotalProjCostEstimate2-27-12.pdf estimate cost 676 million dollars to replace a low level lift bridge with a highlevel bridge. can you justify spending 200-300 million to retrofit a bridge that only carries 31,000 cars per day? To clarify the Bridge goes from West 25th to East 8th st. At 25 million a mile it would be a 12 mile extension from the West 98th red line station to Crocker road via existing CSX ROW Equals $300 million Would use existing Light rail cars not new rolling stock. and if you wanted new cars It would run about 5 million per car. BTW 25 million a mile was what RTA budgeted for a Blue line extension to Harvard Ave. If a patch job was adequate for this type of bridge why are we building two new bridges for I-90? I believe they at one time thought they could patch the I-90 bridge reduce travel lanes from 8 to 5 Eastbound lanes and build a new westbound bridge, after review they chose to replace the bridge because the Structural Design of the bridge is OBSOLETE. I will say it again it is OBSOLETE and you think it is better to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a patch job of an obsolete bridge.

yep. no one else can do it. NOACA is handicapped by it's federal mandate, transit agencies are restricted by federal regulations and state laws. port authorities on the other hand are less restricted and have eminent domain powers defined by something that is not in RTA's or the City of Cleveland mandate Economic Development it is beyond me how RTA's vision does not include Economic development when it's primary source of funding is the sales tax ( better the economy does the more revenue they receive), imagine ODOT not actively trying to increase VMT or gas tax revenue. The Airport system is run by the City of Cleveland to serve the entire region. it is fully funded by revenues and fees. not from general city revenue. the rail network is extensive, but there has never been a plan AFAIK to optimize the flow of rail freight through our Region (county) and to optimize this flow for optimal economic development potential. To overcome the silo mentality of the Class Is and to better connect available industrial land to the Rail network. Opportunity would be for the Port to actively pursue reactivation of rail ROW in the county to facilitate mode change (Freight off Roads) and economic development.

picture This. 400 -500 million on a new high-level bridge or $350 million on a light rail line from Tower city to Crocker Park via Lakewood and $50 million for a new lift bridge in the flats. which one has the most potential to benefit the region?

Roldo is going to love me. To better compete at a regional level I would propose that the port is allowed to take over Cleveland airport system, intercity passenger rail development, passenger and provide a regional blueprint for Freight rail. By doing so It can Develop comprehensive inter regional master plan for the county something that the maze of different entities that currently manage or don't mange can not do. The goal would be to best leverage our transportation Assets Air, rail, and Water to the best advantage of our county. generally speaking each sector in transportation operate in silos and in competition with each other, by merging these sectors at the county or regional level, you can gain efficiencies that you cannot get within the current system. I will expand on my thoughts later. got to run.

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I'm pretty sure nobody advocated what you're suggesting. That is, removal for aesthetic reasons alone. some people are suggesting this and it is valid reason IMO as it ages opens up the possibility of its replacement and what effect it's demolition would have on the neighborhoods around. There are only 31,000 users per day vs 130,000 for the innerbelt and 168,000 for the I-480 bridge over the same river. of those bridges the the route 2 bridge is the longest at 1.5 miles, the oldest at 76 years, and and the least used. You cannot ignore this, and looking at future without a high level bridge it begs the question of how much road we need between west 25th and lake avenue. replacing the high level bridge with a 50-75 million dollar lift bridge make sense for the amount of traffic on shore way and Would be more cost effective than a new 300-500 million dollar high level bridge. If you weren't speeding on the shoreway maybe you could see that the Bridge is surrounded by acres of develop-able land and hundreds of residential units. because you cannot walk directly from main avenue on the west bank of the flats to main avenue on the east bank and to downtown you limit the viability of development on the west bank of the flats. Which explains the vast swaths of land dedicated to parking. it the bridge were replaced with low level bridge how much more attractive would those vacant lots on surrounding Nautica become? how can you vouch for the condition of the bridge without knowing the condition of the bridge? Lots of icons are torn down. Maybe it's in our best interest to seek out an alternative. Who could tell. Wouldn't it be interesting to see a cost-benefit analysis? It sure would. Be sure & include reduced property values all across the Warehouse District & new FEB project, since they'd no longer have the Shoreway accessible. See above. What wouldn't be accessible? You could still have a boulevard running east/west. The WHD and Flats existed - THRIVED - before the Main Ave Bridge ever existed. OK, so long as the mods are allowing the hypothesis conversation to continue, you are proposing to tear down the superstructure of the Shoreway bridge, install a new at-grade boulevard street which would cut through the west bank of the flats... no doubt require buildings to be demolished, then have some type of draw bridge which would open & close for ships passing, literally several times per hour... holding up traffic... then re-emerge on the East bank somewhere, probably as Lakeside Ave? Tell me again what's gained in this scenario? did you ever bother to look at a Map? Main avenue exists already on both banks of the flats the only thing that doesn't is the bridge to connect them. there is no need to demolish anything now, your lack of knowledge of the area is showing. if you didn't know about Main ave today how can you offer an opinion about it's future? intersections force people to stop, they allow for the removal of ramps, which increases the devlopable land surrounding the road, they also pave the way for curb cuts I.E. development, that can front the road. ODOT's plan does not open up any land for development at all. if the bridge isn't there ODOT's paranoid fears of congestion would disappear. the idea of opening up land for development was a focus of the original lakefront plan, it allowed the city to Increase it's tax base and attract new residents with new lakefront housing. How can any planner be against this? The railroad tracks have also been studied fro removal by none other than KJP, all with the goal of removing the barriers to the lake in Cleveland. you should learn to better control of your knee jerks.

and trucks were banned from the bridge because of paint? i did not know that. Isn't it the same design used on the innerbelt bridge? didn't they have majr problems with the drainage system on the bridge not working properly? no bridge lasts forever, it will have to be replaced sooner or later.

it is pure insanity. what is ODOT going to do when they have to replace the 70 year old Main Avenue bridge? do you think it will be as easy to find 300+ million dollars to replace the main avenue bridge that only carries 31,000 vehicles per day as it was to replace the inner-belt bridge which carries 130,000 vehicles day? if/when the bridge comes down how much traffic will be left on the shoreway? hopefully We will be able to add intersections like what was proposed 10 years ago.

"relocate" Peabodys to a space more befitting its place in Cleveland history, and use that space as parking lot for the rascal house. es the old parking lot as an residential development opportunity maybe to reuse the Wolfe music facade.

it is less the building that bothers me and more the parking lot next to it.

I friggin' love that! If we're going to have window-less walls in this city, then that's a great way to make them unique to this city! I love that kind of urban messyness! its awful. and you going build some ultra modern piece of architecture next to it?

so this is ok?

they need to level the entire block not just leave Rascal house and peabody's there in front of an shinny new building.

it takes time to gold plate transit projects.

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/paffairs/news/pressrel/12pr121.htm

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/26/3559045/cats-to-spend-87-million-on-rail.html

http://www.masstransitmag.com/news/10785428/mo-everyone-will-ride-for-free-on-kansas-citys-downtown-streetcars

Amtrak Acela 165-170MPH Test Train at Princeton JCT