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What A Modern Streetcar network in Cleveland could look like hyper local, fundamentally based on people walking to transit, and people walking from transit to where they work, play or pray. 1/4 mile or 5 minute walk Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 185,010 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 172,636 93.3% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 12,374 6.7% Living in the Selection Area 37,164 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 24,790 66.7% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 12,374 33.3% 1/2 mile or 10 minute walk. Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 210,924 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 187,695 89.0% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 23,229 11.0% Living in the Selection Area 62,707 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 39,478 63.0% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 23,229 37.0% workers that Live 1 miles (20 min walk) from a Stop and work 1/4 mile (5 minute walk) from a Stop 32,280 workers. workers that Live 2 miles (20 min walk) from a Stop and work 1/4 mile (5 minute walk) from a Stop 52,226 workers.

I agree something should be done to lower the cost of transit for families.

as clvldr has noted it difficult to extrapolate access in propensity to ride. issues with moving the redline are speed central rail expansion opportunities. I'd keep the redline exactly where it is, that high speed corridor becomes more and more valuable if service between westshore suburbs and UC becomes a reality. Also adding more ridership to the Euclid corridor will only make it worse. The option of moving from a single vehicle LRT. To a multiple unit train that requires major changes to the stations on the corridor. Finding a balance between frequency and capacity. it difficult to model with this software and I don't have the time to use GIS, because this data is so complex. Imagine every census block group connected to every census block group. I realize the limitations what I am trying to do is to provide a common set of rules to evaluate prospectiive routes

Paired Analysis workers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop Baseline 23,505Workers Red Line today After redline Extension within Cuyahoga county 30,054 workers After Redline Extension to Lake county 33,968 workers Access: <2 miles from Home <.5 miles from work Red Line Today 23,505 Red Line Extension (Cuyahoga) 30,054 Red Line Extension (Lake) 33,968

Paired Analysis workers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop Baseline 22,010 Workers Red Line today After redline Extension within Cuyahoga county 28,170 workers After Redline Extension to Lake county 31,859 workers Access: <2 miles from Home <.5 miles from work Red Line Today 22,010 Red Line Extension (Cuyahoga) 28,170 Red Line Extension (Lake) 31,859

You have to start thinking out side the trench. ;)

Then you tell that to the planning department of the city of Shaker heights. I am sure in the 60s and 70s when they installed those wonderful modern Facades over 688 Euclid, the Schofield Building and many other beautiful old buildings, they to thought their decisions to do so were correct. in the 1960s this was very appropriate in 2012 this is now appropriate which one renovation is the right renovation? was it a mistake to replace the original facade in the 1960-70s?

So typical of many property owners who have as much vision or sense of civic responsibility as a mobster. In fact, I've come across many who have criminal records. They couldn't give a sh*t about anything but themselves. If the city would be more pro-active and threaten to Take these properties from these people they will let the free market continue to work against Downtown. eminent Domain is a Legal method for seizing land for the greater good, why aren't we doing it for these property that owner are negligent in their responsibilities? You've got to be kidding me. If someone is meeting all the requirements of the building codes, but is otherwise holding on to properties for investment purposes, you're advocating seizing them for what the City believes them to be worth? That's not asking for blight and associated problems, that's planning on them. If the property are clearly being neglected like numerous other properties in downtown Cleveland, they owner should be persuaded to sell that property to someone who can take care of it and not be allowed to wait until the building is too far gone to petition the city to allow it demolition. the building code is a good way to assess the condition of the property, the missing link is to find a legal way make the property owner bring it up to code or sell it. right now the only counter to the it's too far gone argument is to demolish the building.

A mistake is when someone makes a decision that ignores available information and present circumstances to cause harm to more people than benefit. So the only mistake by the Van Sweringens I see was to engage in housing discrimination against anyone who was not a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. But their land-use design choice was a preference of lifestyle, especially of the times. I can certainly understand, given that context, why those choices were made. Cities were crowded, polluted places and this land use was a response to that which the wealthy could afford to choose while still keeping a fast route to downtown. One's personal preference in the context of their circumstances and available knowledge is never a mistake. Even today however, I understand the attraction of having some rail stations with single-use residential surrounding them. I welcome a variety of land use styles around rail lines for prospective customers to choose from, even if the dominant supply should be higher density/mixed use. I'm sure 100 years from now, your great grandchildren will consider us fools for the actions we consider smart today. I only hope they try to put themselves in the shoes of people who made the decisions to have some empathy for why those decisions were made. Perhaps they will recognize that, if they lived today, they would have made the exact same choices, just as my grandparents did 100 years ago. No KJP we all are capable of mistakes through ignorance. Just because you didn't know doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake. Look back at how we behaved in our 20s, no sane person will not admit they made mistakes of ignorance in their 20s. I don't believe The Vans excluded retail on purpose I just don't believe it was part of their business plan for shaker heights.

So typical of many property owners who have as much vision or sense of civic responsibility as a mobster. In fact, I've come across many who have criminal records. They couldn't give a sh*t about anything but themselves. If the city would be more pro-active and threaten to Take these properties from these people they will let the free market continue to work against Downtown. eminent Domain is a Legal method for seizing land for the greater good, why aren't we doing it for these property that owner are negligent in their responsibilities?

That wasn't their goal. Their goal was to build a commuter route for downtown office workers and for servants working at Shaker Heights mansions. The servants quarters were along Shaker Boulevard and the mansions were to be only on the boulevards the next blocks over. The Great Depression altered this plan, prompting the owners of mansion to sell the back of their properties along Shaker Boulevard to independent buyers seeking to build residences. It's why the more luxurious homes are along South Park, which was developed before 1929, and the "lesser" homes along Shaker Boulevard. I'd hope we all have learned from their mistake. Potentially, it would be, if another point you made happens: "demonstrate transit isn't just for poor people " That is, pretty much, the perception right now. Moreso here than in other cities, it seems. I believe it is also the institutional perception, and focus, of RTA, going back to Krumholz fighting projects that benefitted "fat cats". Something like that, early in the life of an agency, can root itself deeply in the mindset of same. The TSA is another example. That sort of mindset did more to damage the city than anything else in its history, with the exception of busing and the possible exception of CERCLA. Unintended consequences.... I truly believe there will be a diverse collection of riders to UC along both the Harvard and Northfield spurs of the Blue line the issue is I believe it will be difficult to deliver reliable high frequency service (<15 min headway) without making upgrades to the Signaling on the corridor between chagrin and Shaker Square. Remember I hate Wye's, because to deliver 10 min frequency on both the Harvard and Northfield you will have to tolerate 5 minute Frequency on the trunk line between Harvard and shaker Square, possible but could lead to bunching of Trains if signaling for transit isn't used. On the other hand, 7-8 minute headways aren't horrible either.

The vans Completely Dropped the ball when it came to building walkable Retail within their mammoth TOD called Shaker Heights. the issue that one can live a 5 minute walk from Rail transit yet cannot get to a grocery store without a car. It interesting because as I did This research I better understood the demand for transit, importance of Access to jobs and Access to Residents On the network., and from a Progressive transit advocate the importance of multiple destination types ( retail, Commercial, Entertainment) that is Accessible to the route. I am 100% convinced that a link from Shaker Square to University Circle is a game changer for the Light Rail system, if in addition to an Extension to the I-271 corridor for a P+K. Then there is Travel time and Frequency Nice read here illusions of travel time in transit promotion While we appreciate Commuter Rail the frequency are usually so poor that it can preclude TOD being built around it. Why would anyone not build parking when the transit service only runs on weekdays, and at peak travel times. sometime i think we aim too low and chose the less expensive route that fail to Deliver ridership.

Some evergreens would help. They smell great, look great (especially during the holidays) and add some green in late-winter when some is desperately needed. People will want to be there just because the setting will lift people's spirits. problem with evergreens is that most of them kill grass, by acidifying the soil, which is whay you usually don't see them in parks with alot of grass.

I thought JCU was primarily a on campus school not an off campus school like CSU, and being such a small School in a suburban setting isn't the best generator of ridership. I have a small problem with installing a"streetcar" down a narrow suburban low density residential street, I'd prefer DM4's cedar Streetcar over this alignment.

only for this segment. Ken's route 1/2 mile Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 10,127 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 9,754 96.3% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 373 3.7% Living in the Selection Area 7,007 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 6,634 94.7% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 373 5.3% 1 mile Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 15,042 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 13,941 92.7% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 1,101 7.3% Living in the Selection Area 16,213 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 15,112 93.2% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 1,101 6.8% My preferred route shaker to Richmond 1/2 mile buffer Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 7,033 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 6,862 97.6% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 171 2.4% Living in the Selection Area 4,896 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 4,725 96.5% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 171 3.5% 1 mile buffer Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 19,695 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 18,704 95.0% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 991 5.0% Living in the Selection Area 12,290 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 11,299 91.9% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 991 8.1% Your route better than mine. but a route on Warrensville and Cedar would perform even better. 1/2 mile Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 10,226 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 9,834 96.2% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 392 3.8% Living in the Selection Area 7,726 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 7,334 94.9% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 392 5.1% 1 mile Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 14,621 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 13,390 91.6% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 1,231 8.4% Living in the Selection Area 18,627 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 17,396 93.4% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 1,231 6.6% I still like my route better. the question is the balance between Access which is what this data tries to express vs will people use it. That becomes alot more subjective.

Ken you know i hate Wyes, :) what do you do with the green road station now that you have bypassed it? you know this may sound strange but i think that is slow :evil:and too indirect to it's ultimate destination is the density surrounding Beachwood place and the jobs on I-271. I love you anyway.

have faith, building successful streetcar line in Cleveland that will demonstrate transit isn't just for poor people will change how people think of rail in Cleveland. the costs for going from SS to UC will be less than 250 million dollars, 2/3 the cost of the opportunity corridor. Green to Beachwood place, < 190 million. It can happen we need people to believe it can.

I-271 north Think about this I live on the West side i often have to travel to Beach wood place, I have TWO option one from the north or one from the south, the concept is the same with transit, by having a northern option and a southern to access I-271 and the 40-50,000 jobs around that corridor, I make it easier to service because My Peak flow of Ridership is in 2 directions not one. this allows me to maintain more constant service all-day and not have a huge dropoff from peak to off peak. The thing you have to keep in mind is that the by going to eastlake to connect the north eastern suburbs (Euclid, all of lake county) to the, and to the I-271 corridor. Plus if I am going to progressive on Wilson mills Rd. from downtown it makes more sense to take the Red line extension to Route 91 and transfer to the Green line than to take the Green line from Downtown for a single seat ride. I271 south the problem with that median between Richmond and Green Rd is the park. that park is a NEPA nightmare and will require massive Mitigation of impact, (i.e. expensive track work,) your option are A) spend alot of money to go Fast or B) spend far less money to go Slow. There are options like Dedicated lanes, and even widening of Shaker Blvd to allow for separation, I don't believe even in mixed traffic this route will be too slow, both shaker and Richmond are fast roads with few cross streets, Stops spacing and signal preemption will be the keys to speed. The segments parallel to I-271 will be very fast, fully grade separated. UC speed over short distances is less important the distance from UC to SS is 2.5 miles via moreland-chagrin-fairmount-Cedar build for speed would move the route to the west, and away from pedestrian oriented areas surrounding UC and into very autocentric corridors. The average speed though that cooridor would be ~15mph, for a 10 minute travel time. If you could double that speed you would only gain 5 mins in travel time 5 mins isn't worth bypassing more transit supportive areas. this brings me to the rolling stock required to make this happen. Requirements Top speed on 50mph 2.65m wide.(standard Light rail/ wide streetcar) 100% low Floor 8% maximum gradient 18m Minimum Curve Radius. Capable of mixed traffic operation Capable of operating in sets of 3-4 vehicles. Operate level or near level boarding 10in-14in platforms. lengths of 60Ft (3 segment) Circulator, 90ft (5 segment) medium volume 120ft(7 segment) high capacity. and yes this vehicle exists today.

Blue line to UC and Greenline to East Gate, before and after Current system Paired Analysis wokrers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop Before 12,127 workers After Paired Analysis wokrers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop After 38,072 workers These expansion would increase the number of workers within a 2 seat ride to their job by 25,945 workers, An increase of 213% over the current system. with the potential to double or triple Blue and green line ridership.

Blue line Options Total system harvard and Northfield extension with route to university circle. 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 64,807 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 60,163 92.8% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 4,644 7.2% Living in the Selection Area 21,034 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 16,390 77.9% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 4,644 22.1% 1 mile from Route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 96,042 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 85,150 88.7% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 10,892 11.3% Living in the Selection Area 41,573 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 30,681 73.8% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 10,892 26.2% Paired Analysis wokrers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop 14,177 Workers

West shore Light Rail. Windermere station to Westlake/Crocker park, When American greetings moves to Crocker park they will add 1,800 jobs to that area, alot those worker currently live around this route in Lakewood, Detroit Shoreway, Rocky river Ohio city and Downtown 1/2 mile Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 101,529 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 95,669 94.2% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 5,860 5.8% Living in the Selection Area 29,532 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 23,672 80.2% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 5,860 19.8% 1 mile from Stop Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 208,915 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 178,324 85.4% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 30,591 14.6% Living in the Selection Area 82,499 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 51,908 62.9% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 30,591 37.1% Paired Analysis wokrers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop 31,454 workers.

Aggressive Green Line extension options. current route Travel time 28mins 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 74,565 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 72,307 97.0% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 2,258 3.0% Living in the Selection Area 12,866 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 10,608 82.4% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 2,258 17.6% 1 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 119,605 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 111,343 93.1% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 8,262 6.9% Living in the Selection Area 31,745 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 23,483 74.0% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 8,262 26.0% Airport to Beachwood Place Travel time 69 mins 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 110,201 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 101,986 92.5% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 8,215 7.5% Living in the Selection Area 39,916 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 31,701 79.4% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 8,215 20.6% 1 mile from Route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 180,100 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 153,139 85.0% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 26,961 15.0% Living in the Selection Area 84,231 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 57,270 68.0% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 26,961 32.0% Tower city to Beachwood Place Travel time 44mins 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 80,378 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 77,689 96.7% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 2,689 3.3% Living in the Selection Area 15,858 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 13,169 83.0% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 2,689 17.0% 1 mile from Route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 133,499 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 123,539 92.5% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 9,960 7.5% Living in the Selection Area 36,511 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 26,551 72.7% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 9,960 27.3% Tower city to East Gate Travel time 50mins 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 94,592 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 90,771 96.0% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 3,821 4.0% Living in the Selection Area 21,398 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 17,577 82.1% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 3,821 17.9% 1 mile from Route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 150,556 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 137,547 91.4% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 13,009 8.6% Living in the Selection Area 46,355 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 33,346 71.9% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 13,009 28.1% Tower city to Eastlake via I-271 Travel time 76 mins (better option would be Red line extension) 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 117,197 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 110,682 94.4% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 6,515 5.6% Living in the Selection Area 30,646 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 24,131 78.7% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 6,515 21.3% 1 mile from Route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 181,524 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 161,271 88.8% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 20,253 11.2% Living in the Selection Area 66,398 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 46,145 69.5% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 20,253 30.5% Airport to Eastlake Travel time 101 mins (better option would be Red line extension) 1/2 mile from route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 151,979 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 139,242 91.6% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 12,737 8.4% Living in the Selection Area 54,668 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 41,931 76.7% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 12,737 23.3% 1 mile from Route Inflow/Outflow Job Counts (All Jobs) 2011 Count Share Employed in the Selection Area 228,279 100.0% Employed in the Selection Area but Living Outside 189,910 83.2% Employed and Living in the Selection Area 38,369 16.8% Living in the Selection Area 114,118 100.0% Living in the Selection Area but Employed Outside 75,749 66.4% Living and Employed in the Selection Area 38,369 33.6% Paired Analysis wokrers that Live 2 miles (short drive or bus ride.) from a Stop and work 1/2 mile (10 minute walk) from a Stop 43,521 workers.

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they tried that in the 1990s, the issue is West prospect is a bridge and buses did alot of damage to those bridges resulting in leaks into Tower city. and even onto the rail platforms below.