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Edit: didn’t see @CleveFan responded to this above.

Omg, look at those second empire-inspired townhomes on Scranton ???

TPL and LL Bean just sponsored some really beautiful and vibrant ground art at the Lakeview Terrace Park. Not a street, per se, but an example of how a simple cost of paint can change the feeling of a neighborhood.

Just change the paint color to green and you’ll be fine! ? @CleveFan, agree on the “Blimpworthiness” of the riverfront sight. Goodyear images looking northeast toward the Gund (ya, that’s right) will be dominated by a cover the earth logo, with TT and the PS towers rising to its left and right. (At least in my head—I’m not great at creativity). @Geowizical, quick, test it out! ?

So I think we’ve dispelled the notion that the work at Breen is too dangerous or too top secret to have riverfront access—but just to chime in—I’ve been to many R&D facilities across the country for tech, manufacturing, chemicals, power, etc.—even tobacco—that are along public rights of way. No one is saying it should be a mixed use facility with a welcoming lobby for all to share... nor is anyone saying they should leave their doors unlocked and machinery untagged and unlocked and hope for the best. Simply stating that buildings with sealed access can commiserate with public access to nearby features...

Also, consider this the first construction photo ?

If we can realize this between SW and Bedrock, I think the riverfront is the right choice. It literally creates a whole new field of depth to the skyline—and even if they’re at a lower grade, it provides cohesion and grandeur to the skyline. This, paired with a JC tower, would provide a north-south axis of height on our skyline currently reflected only on the ninth street corridor.

Well... there goes my plan to create the “National Environmental Movement Museum” in that space...

Anyone else not sleep and just refresh UO every 30 minutes for the last 7 hours—or was that just me?

^ Agree with this. Living in Miami during the Recession showed me just how unstable the condo market can be. Also, FWIW, you were able to buy out of your 12-month lease at my old downtown Cle apartment as long as you gave them 60 days and paid rent until they filled your space. That said, is there any market stability effect of having both rental and for-sale? Or is the for-sale market simply good from a equity/place-permanence perspective? And finally, to keep this on topic and abruptly changing the subject—did anyone ever hear a) cause of the garage mishap and b) impact on timeline?

It’s probably my own bias since I’m on Public Square everyday, but I do like the transient nature of the art installations. The snails were awesome, but eventually my eyes got accustomed to them and they were just “there.” I feel Prismatica will become less salient to me over time as well. That said, I think we should do a better job of consistently activating the Square. A Christmas Market in the winter, an art walk or a “Home Days-esque” event with rides in the summer, an Oktoberfest beer garden in the fall. And art installations—a combo of formal, acclaimed ones like Prismatica and more organic ones like student artwork and local artists.

Growing to $195 million 65-acre development. More here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/community/2019/10/richmond-heights-mall-redevelopment-plans-grow-from-90-million-project-to-one-worth-195-million-site-to-have-more-than-700-new-apartments-townhouses.html%3foutputType=amp

So it sounds like Paul’s arguments were they’re inexperienced and their proposal was too mundane to be worth the risk. Did the City provide reasons for their selection? Could they simply be the best of bad submissions?

Presumably what happens when anyone from PD other than Steve Litt or MJM enters into this space.

Can’t think of an example on NEO, but Coral Gables, Florida has a ton of micro circles. They’re annoying, but they’re super effective. I think it’s the only orderly driving I’ve ever witnessed in SoFlo.

Okay. If this is how we can tease information out of @KJP; anyone know if a new S-W HQ with 3,000 employees could support a City Target? ?

How weird is the idea of having a hotel? I’ve been to quite a few corporate HQ that have had, or been connected to, hotels. That said, my sample size is fairly small and many of these are in smaller cities. Is it common the have a hotel for employees visiting from other sites, value chain partners, etc.? Do the hotel’s surrounding PS, the Riverfront, or VA have the infrastructure and capacity a growing S-W would want moving forward?

I don’t think any Italians are being pushed out of LI for lack of affluence. As has been well documented on this forum, they’ve packed up and left for Mayfield and other suburbs, leaving LI to rot with torn up single family homes filled with poor Case students and decaying vinyl. It would by like me and my “cohort” retaining my grandpa’s place in Central and opining that the current renters are ruining the “Jewishness” of the neighborhood while we collected our rent checks in Beachwood and Pepper Pike...

^^ I know several people from the east coast who feel the same way. Agree that Lakewood is closest we have to an NYC, but it’s closer to a Greenwich Village to an Upper East Side—and not all New Yorkers want the Village. Additionally, a lot of CCF employees want to live on the east side, but want a denser neighborhood. For the same reasons both @MyPhoneDead (ironic, btw, that you were looking at phones) and @Sapper Daddy mentioned, my significant other gym NYC chose Cleveland Heights—but it’s a far cry from a dense urban neighborhood. I think Little Italy, UC, and Midtown need to have a bit more neighborhood-type amenities (i.e., Starbucks and Rising Star in UC are horrible for sitting, only good for picking up; Constantino’s is abysmal; the only drugstore is the eh Rite Aid by CCF; you got to go out east to go shopping). While transplants want dense, they also want Apple Stores, Trader Joe’s, and Vineyard Vines, so they wind up in Beachwood rather than UC—and then they flee back east as soon as their residency is over. Bringing this back on topic, I guess what I’m saying is “please someone build an amazing mixed-use dense community in UC or Little Italy—or I may be dragged to the east coast. ?”

I’m saying Lake Erie bluffs need to be reinforced so the houses DON’T fall into the Lake... Edit: @surfohio pointed out I’m an idiot. ?

Yes, back when I lived down here, you only needed to be 18 to get in—and it was no where near as glitzy! ?

Understand the fearful pessimism, but as stated up-thread—no one has posited a 30-mile long cement/rebar system. In fact, Euclid’s project someone dismantles such systems. Additionally, Lake Erie’s southern shore is not Miami’s eastern shore, and a comparison to sand beaches is both unfair and incorrect. Ohio IS home to native bluffs that ARE suspectible to erosion, regardless to natural or man made sandy beaches. In addition, as they are natural bluffs, you can’t quite replace them with “natural swampland” either. You could argue that we shouldn’t have destroyed all the Lake Erie swamps and we shouldn’t have built on the susceptible bluffs. As a recovering south Florida marine biologist, I love arguing we shouldn’t have destroyed the coral reefs and mangrove forests to replace them with sandy beaches. But in both cases, we did—so the point is moot. Now, as a recovering Cleveland-trained environmental planner, I’d say at this early stage, we have the right types of minds (Metroparks, Port, Euclid, etc.) involves early in the process to get this right. Let’s turn that fearful pessimism into hopeful optimism!! ?

Flying into FLL, can’t help but wonder, why is this in Hollywood, Florida, not Cleveland’s lakefront?

City Year’s offices were here in the late 90s/early 00s before they moved to the Leader (before before the Prospect Lizard). Used to have an old City Year mural inside before they tore out the first floors.

And it would be a Kimpton. Still good to see some investment in this hotel. Maybe if it’s successful, IHG will bring in a Kimpton. ?