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Hi. S-W locked out while I was typing this, so thought it fits here. Written with regard to S-W specifically, but I think the education point broadly works in this thread: Does anyone know what type of talent S-W would be looking for that we don’t have here? I looked up the best chemistry and inorganic chemistry programs in the country, and they’re scattered throughout the Ivy Leagues, Cal Ivies, and Midwest. In addition to chemists, I’d assume Sherwin would need all the back office functions at HQ—accounting, HR, comms, etc. For these types of roles, it doesn’t really matter if you’re nearby a school because the talent pool is humongous and skill agnostic (I.e., you can be in HR at S-W as easily as you could be in HR at Bacardi). Therefore, from a talent perspective, none of the sun belt cities beat Cleveland. On top of that, as I’ve referenced before—we’re surrounded by RPM, Ferro, Akzo, BASF, PPG, etc. from which to poach talent. Austin and Charlotte have what? Bank of America and Tito’s? We’re talking a lot about airports. And ya. It’s a PITA to fly to second tier cities or internationally from Cle due to layovers. But honestly, if you’re flying that often—the hub probably wouldn’t help anyway, because you’re flying to your plants in rural Germany, or Chongqing, or wherever where you’d still need layovers even from CLT. Also, you have an AmEx Platinum, a United Explorer, a Delta Sky, a Chase Sapphire, etc.—and you’re spending your time taking meetings in lounges—just as you would if we were still a hub (shoutout if I was working next to you at ATL today). To me, the bigger cost (or opportunity) for the company is the talent base. And I haven’t seen an argument against Cle on that front.

My brain wants this to be semantics, but that’s why I’m not a lawyer. ? Hopefully the end product remains as awesome (and sustainable).

We don’t mind the poor grammar and typos if you want to move your deadline up!

I think what’s interesting is options 3 and 4. Based on what we’ve heard from the Haslam’s, those are pretty ripe contenders for a future stadium. I wonder if S-W and the Browns have been talking about a collab.

I actually enjoyed this location when at Reserve (other than, you know, K&D). Still close to everything—tons of food options at PHS and CSU. Multiple trolleys and buses to take you home when it’s cold out. But also easy access to roads without having to deal with the chaos that is E 9 et al during game nights. All the greatness of downtown with minimal suburban commuter nonsense mucking up your life. edit: mucking, not mocking. Typing on the redline is always difficult.

Actually I think a pierogi fast-casual place would do really well at JHB. We need more Cleveland-centric food establishments. Maybe also serve Polish Boy, cevapi, and coconut bars. Great idea, @musky! ?

I heard a rumor from a friend in the music business last night that they’ve been hearing rumblings that AEG is looking to move some back-office operations here—and was looking around the Agora. At first, I wrote it off because I doubted an entertainment group would think large enough to buy up this much space—and use Midtown as an agent—but the more I read about them, the more plausible it seems. They developed LA Live and moved their headquarters there. Could they Be interested in something on a much smaller scale around the Agora? The real estate sure seems cheaper than LA Live.

@KJP can you remind us again what the master plan is for this area? ?

I’m glad I’m not the only one who read 12th an Dave... renderings look good, but I hope they make the gym bigger. Pretty teeny gym from that photo for such a large condo complex.

Im confused why the covered parking right in between Brooks Bros and the casino isn’t considered covered parking...

@Geowizical, thanks for this. When taken together, what is the square footage of your model buildings? I.e., do they add up to 1.8 million?

1. How is Gilbert renovating May in any way relevant to the sky rights above a public street? I assure you if I buy two houses across from each other in Cleveland Heights, they’re not going to grant me the right to bridge them together... 2. I work in a Tower City... if you think taking the elevator down, walking up to the Higbee, getting your ID checked? Walking through the maze to the escalators, walking through another maze to the bridge, and then waiting for another elevator (or stairwell, god forbid) is faster than walking out the front door of Tower City and across the street... well—I got nothing. Not to mention if you’re coming to/from work, you’d have to have your bag checked. Or if you’re bringing your kids to work—they’re not even allowed to use the bridge as a pass-through because they’re not of legal age... 3. Same as 1. What does Higbee’s existence as a casino have to do with the sky rights over Ontario? 4. Your own argument is that it takes people living in May and working in TC off the street by giving them a pass-through. Followed by arguing that this doesn’t remove people from the street... 5. Again, broken window theory. Also, what if you don’t drive? So we’re saying drivers have the right to security but those who can’t afford a car, or wish to use an alternative form of transit (including the growing downtown population who sure as sh*t isn’t going to drive from their apartment/condo to the casino) don’t have the right to security?

^ The article quotes them as saying it’s imperative they have parking because of the area is undeveloped. Why, then, are they creating a strictly residential, rather than mixed-use, play? Genuinely asking—not trying to demean their plan.

Does anyone have a study of this? I know I read a few about Minneapolis and the impact privatizing pedestrian activity had (through sky bridges with open/close hours) had on the city and its a) crime, b) economic development—and the decades it took for them to fix the problem... but I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

This may be a contender for dumbest comment ever on these esteemed threads. Have you ever heard of the fairly simple concepts of “eyes on the street” and “broken window theory?” The symptoms you outline are the direct impact of blackout windows, honkey tubes, and lack of retail. And yes, I work in Terminal Tower and walk this area constantly.

Silly question—are they really cutting down all those trees north of W. 5 and replacing it with a bunch of grass and 17 (presumably Norwegian Maple or some other invasive) trees? They’ll probably get tar spot disease almost immediately and look like the plagued trees up at the Clinic. Not great when you’re “building a park” and “connecting us to nature.” Especially in Cleveland where we have <20% of our canopy left and are supposed to have audacious recanopy goals. Sorry, I care more about nature than connections. ??

Hey Bernie, If you’re on here, it looks like Dan is going behind your back and further remove pedestrians from the Prospect park and entrepreneurial Mecca you’re planning. Can you have a stern talking to him for us?

I was only able to live stream a little bit, but sounds like they now have the backing of JobsOhio?

I disagree with this. The amount of east-west traffic and north-south traffic through this area is incredible. Whether it’s business workers traversing a meeting at a neighboring firm or twenty somethings heading from FEB to Azure... there’s a lot of folks who would stop into a late-night pizza joint, a Trader Joe’s, a convenient store, a Cleveland Bagel, a Barnes and Noble, etc. Not sure a S-W works given the lack of homeowners downtown, but sure!

I think it’s becoming more common. Comcast Center has the massive retail floors. Salesforce has the transit station and park. RenCen has it’s gigantic interior empire. I believe the new Instagram offices will also offer condos. And Dollar Tree is building it’s own downtown around it. I’d hope a forward-looking S-W would see the benefit of incorporated shared uses into their HQ.

Same happened to us. Geiger’s was too “outdoors” and other places weren’t open. Geiger’s also doesn’t sell boxers or undershirts. CVS stopped carrying them because people kept stealing them.

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I lived in Miami during the Great Recession. I was evicted from my apartment when my landlord when bankrupt—and there were 17 tower cranes stuck in time on the skyline while the world moved to a stop down there. 5 years later, I went to visit and all 17 towers were done. I asked my buddy how and he responded: “Peruvians.” A Peruvian guy we were walking passed yelled: “eh! Viva Peru!” The short answer is yes—for every tower built in Miami—there are 5 or more unbuilt. But it is the capital of Latin America and the influx of wealth from down south powers a steady influx of new construction. That said—the buyers spend two weeks in their condos a year and leave them vacant the remainder. I suppose this all has has nothing to do with random developments in Cleveland. So, randomly, I passed the new development on Random on my way home. ?

Too soon?

Someplace that sells boxers and undershirts and belts. You’d be surprised how many weddings at the 9 I’ve attended where someone forgot to pack an article of clothing and had to Uber all the way to steelyard to pick up something. Hard to do when you’re in a wedding party with a packed schedule!