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And a sidewalk cutout! ?

I think the urban core is the only place where people CAN afford $2,000-$3,000 rents. Outside the urban core it’d called a mortgage. ? I’m just still not sure I understand your line of questioning. Midtown is a potential solution to the issue of accessibility, not vice versa. Currently, we have a problem here where well educated, white collar employees live in the suburbs and work downtown or in UC. But they shop at home in their suburbs. Unfortunately, the majority of people who work in those shops live in Cleveland’s neighborhoods. Midtown, as many have mentioned on this thread, is incredibly accessible. Whether via the east-west bus lines, the north-south bus lines, car, bike, or even Bird/Lime—people from the east side neighborhoods can more readily make it to a job in midtown than a job in Highland Heights. Simultaneously—it’s not too shabby of a place to settle down if you’re a doctor/nurse at the Clinic, or a lawyer at Jones Day. It’s pretty well situated to serve EVERYONE. So I guess I’m reading your question: “Is anything being done to address the needs of these residents in these new developments and to provide better paying jobs and access to those jobs?” As “is anyone developing this jewel of a geography?” In which case, the answer is, “KJP, tell us everything you know and more ?!!”

Right. The Brookings Institution published a few years back that something like 70% of Clevelanders work in the suburbs, while something like 70% of suburbanites work in Cleveland. The suburbanites have no trouble getting downtown, to University Circle, or to Midtown—because we live in a hub-and-spoke city where all roads lead to Rome (i.e., downtown). They’re also white collar workers who can walk in anytime between 8-11am and no one bats an eye. On the other hand—the Clevelanders have to take 3 buses and a train to a job out in Woodmere/Solon, where they’ll get fired if they’re 10 minutes late. Ideally, a mixed-use Midtown is the best thing to bring some of those jobs back into the City, and therefore bring accessibility to the workplace.

Got it. IMHO and ignorant opinion, I think (or hope?) having 75% of the pop outside the city makes Midtown an incredible opportunity for mixed-use. It lies between the two biggest employment centers, but doesn’t have the price points associated with them. I would imagine this would lead Midtown to be a residential draw for folks who want to be closer to work, but not in as dense neighborhoods as downtown or UC. Similar to a residential neighborhood north of Browns stadium drawing “urbanish” people. Ideally that spurns some residential. And I think the mix of legacy industrial keeps industry here, as well. So very mixed. At the same time, it’s only 2ish miles from several different highway entrances, so it’s not off the beaten path—especially when compared with the Heights. I’d imagine most of the people in the communities you mentioned (Ashtabula, Moreland Hills, etc., leave further from highways/retail in their suburb-fiefdoms than they would in Midtown. I’d want a form based code overlay here way more than Detroit Shoreway.

I don’t understand the premise of this question. What does suburban access have to do with midtown development? Development in midtown is not done at the behest of voters in Auburn Township. Just as development on Auburn Township is not done at the behest of people In Midtown. Am I missing something?

The Color District: between Superior, Ontario, W. 6. and St. Clair. Microbranding at at its finest. Dear S-W marketing dept., please read this post and send a memo to your Board.

Is this a hint or an opinion!!?

Dumb question. If the state created a carbon tax, wouldn’t it not matter is the city wanted it or not? By the same token, if the feds did the same (yes, this is ridiculous in these administrations), wouldn’t it supersede the local government regardless of the local government’s stance on the issue? Isn’t this basically the same concept but with a “carbon credit?”

I was just thinking the exact same thing. Unbelievably beautiful building and would be a majestic transition between the beaux arts and more modern towers. But—what’s with the palm trees!? I left Miami because I was so sick of them! ?

Just a thought: I wonder if rotating buildings 1 and 2 is possible. Wouldn’t the dog park and pool fare better against lakefront weather if a building was blocking the worst of the weather? Regarding the liner homes, would these have parking or would renters park in the larger garage complex? I guess it makes sense to have liner townhomes instead of liner apartments? But it would be super weird (IMHO) to have 40 driveways surrounding a parking garage.

Many of my clients (Fortune 500s) make employees pay for parking but purchase transit passes for them if they choose public transit—incentivizing multimodal transportation. I envision this practice only getting more common as companies adopt Paris Agreement targets. Risk of the suburban HQ.

Mostly the latter—that we could overcome Balkanization without the power cities have in Ohio. California also has home rule, but there is a certain level of checks and balances the state and county can exert to keep the local empires from killing each other. Our fiefdoms have no power steering them in the same direction and spend most of their time in civil war. But also, doesn’t the way our home rule laws are written in the constitution impact the logistics of a city merger? And city-county merger, since our counties basically have no real structure one the land inside them is incorporated? Maybe in misremembering, it’s been 7 years since I was researching this stuff in grad school. This is quickly moving off topic, I assume there’s a better place for this convo? * edited typo in “Maybe”

You guys hear of this NEO-Trans Blogspot site? Great exception to the horrible NEO media landscape. Awesome news source! https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/?m=1

I meant something else. I was being optimistic. ?

I’ve been ani-home rule for years, thank you very much! Home rule is the reason we have 7,423 cities in Cuyahoga. Home rule is the reason we’re bantering about Sherwin-Williams moving to Brecksville. Home rule is the reason we’re not the 9th largest city in the country, commanding the capital of the 9th largest city in the country, which would get this project built in a jiffy. Home rule is the reason we wouldn’t have a 5-county public transit system sending 1,000s of employees to this project daily. Heck yes we’re anti-home rule! (oversimplification for emphasis of point, but moral is home role in Ohio is different from home rule in most states and yields too much power to the local government, see . This Balkanization leads to a cacophony of different, contradictory laws that make this state a nightmare for developers, businesses, and the rest of us—while promoting unequal sharing of wealth to the detriment of us all, see https://beltmag.com/todays-ohio-home-rule/.

^ so what’s the price point and who wants to give me a loan? ? KJP, do you know if Spaghetti House would look drastically different (I.e., taller) than Avenue? Considering the location, I would assume so... but I suppose a simple 3-5 story building would fit in the context of the Gateway area.

Could be the start of a new Terdolph Park to replace the Cle Foundation land, but that would be a very long, narrow, and vehicular friendly park. I noticed there’s a Hemingway sign in front of the Offices at the Agora—maybe they have something in mind and are working with the CDC to make it happen?

I’m a big advocate of form-based code, but I’ve only dealt with it academically (accidentally got a job in business instead of urban planning. Oops.). On the front-end, it’s cuts the miles of red tape developers go through to get anything built that doesn’t match the district’s use (for instance, anything mixed-use or too tall). On the back-end, it makes it so you can easily go from use to use without rewriting or overriding the code.

Wow! They were talking about doing this back when I was in grad school. I guess I gotta dust off that paper about FBC in Denver and Flagstaff I wrote. I wonder how they settled on Detroit Shoreway—it seems like a neighborhood like University Circle of Ohio City would have more development forms for them to play around with.

Is this the same Smithers-Oasis that’s in Kent, Ohio? Wasn’t it founded in Kent and then moved to Cuyahoga Falls before moving back to Kent? also—sorry for my first post in this quote dramatic of days to be completely unrelated to S-W. to bring it back on topic... SHEEEESHHHH, you all had a busy day! This was exhausting to catch up on! ?

When will then be now?!

Dumb question—when I look at the low-rise Avenue condos, they look a bit... bland and unappealing. Assuming (or hoping) a Spaghetti tower is quite a bit glitzier than Avenue II, will this market test really be a reasonable test? i.e., can’t Avenue II fail but a condo tower still succeed because they’re entirely different products with different buyers? Or is the condo market such that a condo is a condo?

Okay. This idea may be better. Still all in with the orange and green unis, though. Is the Krenzler site big enough for something like this? I’d imagine they’d have to take that entire block between 18th and 21st? Then move baseball and other fields down to Wolstein and have the basketball team play at RMF—which is presumably too over-scheduled with the Cavs, Monsters, Gladiators (if they come back), shows, etc. So maybe not...

Actually. That’s not too big of a stretch. CSU already uses orange as an ancillary color. Just pop that orange out a bit more and you have a perfect match. Miami shares a stadium with the Dolphins and they just put giant U logos over everything each Saturday. The orange of the stadium matches the Dolphins and Canes. And then both my alma maters would have orange and green football teams, and I could wear their apparel interchangeably! ?

Ya, because those hipster millennials hate farmers markets... ? Now that I think about it, Apple stores and fresh produce may possibly be the millennial equivalent combination as coffee and creamer are to the rest of humanity.