inlovewithCLE

Seriously?! I’ll never understand this line of thinking. You’d rather choose vacancy over something that doesn’t match exactly what you want.

Simple as that

If city council as a whole opposes this, that’s so stupid. I’d be interested to see how they sell this to the public, a public who likely were ready to eliminate half of their jobs. They better not oppose a $100 million development

The real question is does the mayor support it? If he supports it, it’ll get done

Why is this so hard for people to understand

I don’t think that would work either. Where would you put something with that large of a footprint in an area over there that still has easy/convenient highway access? That’s part of it too. Another part of the appeal, according to the developer, is that it’s in downtown but outside of the CBD. This way it can target suburban shoppers, tourists, and downtown workers/residents. All those things matter. I don’t think you can replicate that in AsiaTown or Midtown. I think this is the perfect location for this development considering all of the things that they are looking for

You know it wouldn’t get built at all if it had to be built in where you’re suggesting, right? No developer with even a halfway functioning brain would put an outlet mall in a location where ample parking is not available. You’re asking to fail

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2020/02/cleveland-neighborhood-non-profit-target-14-block-east-side-commercial-strip-for-growing-new-businesses.html

This is true to some degree, and CLEVELAND is one of the most segregated Big cities in the nation so race is certainly an element of the stigma. (And for the record: a racist stigma is never fair, I’d correct that if I were you lol) But I can also speak at this angle: as a black person, we don’t like riding it either lol. There’s a stigma in the community that says that riding the RTA in any form means you’re poor. I remember once my car was out and I had to use RTA while my car was getting fixed and I got on the bus once with a family member and they saw someone that they knew and the first question was “what are you doing on RTA?!” Even the people who RIDE it have a stigma against it lol. So it’s not just among white folks trying to get away from black and Hispanic folks (which is definitely a problem, obviously) but the stigma attached to the RTA in general regardless of community is that you ride public transportation because you’re poor and can’t afford a car. There’s no point of pride for riding on the RTA in the black community. A lot of people view it as a failure in life on your part if you have to ride it. So there’s perception and stigma problems with the RTA across the board that need to be addressed . No one wants to be on “Auntie RITA” as we call it lol and that stigma has to be addressed

I like the new name

Where would the location be for act 2

Where’s the article?! Lol

I don’t think they wanted to do too much vertically. They don’t want to do supertalls from everything we’ve heard. The corporate model for headquarters these days are a bunch of low rises and/or mid rises with room for growth

Somebody should tell him how much of a clown he is

He also said essentially that if they were both going to be in Cleveland they wanted them together. Once they saw that there wasn’t enough land downtown for the HQ and the R&D together, they weren’t going to keep it anywhere else in the city. They took the Brecksville deal instead. I hate that it happened but we can’t let perfect be the enemy of good

No it wasn’t. What was hard was Dan Deross’s (sp?) ass continuing to interrupt the press conference. I didn’t tune in to hear him

@KJP do u think there will be spinoff development downtown as a result of the new HQ?

@KJP I have a question and I know you’d be the guy to answer it. Do you think that this decision by SHW to stay here and build the new world headquarters here could influence any of the other major companies in the region to consider locating within the city limits? I know money likes to follow other money, so it’s just something I’m curious about. I wonder if this has an influencer spin off effect. As bad as it would’ve been for morale if they had left, I wonder if it’ll be just as good for morale that they’re staying

I think it’s cool personally

My goodness. That’s breathtaking. I love to see Cleveland looking like this

Absolutely. We need both

Easy. This is in Cleveland proper. It brings jobs to the CITY, not the suburbs. It has a legitimate chance to be a regional draw (bringing more people from our sprawled out area into the center city, which was supposed to be the point) and so on. By this being Urban Ohio, I’d think that most of us support things that are net positives for our urban centers. This is a positive. The area is overdeveloped in retail but the city itself is underdeveloped. And the criticisms about this are some of the same that was said about Steelyard. They were wrong then and they’re wrong now. It’s also interesting to me that many of the people who oppose this stuff come from neighborhoods/areas that always had it. I’m born and raised Cleveland proper lifer. As I’ve said numerous times on this forum, we can’t say we want people to come back to the city but we only want them to come the way we want them to, do the things that we want them to do and only in the developments that look the way we think it should. I really think some of you around here would rather this thing stay a parking lot than for it to have something beneficial to the city that you don’t like. But in the same breath you say you love the city (and I’m not necessarily directing that to the poster I’m responding to. That’s a general point based on the attitude I see around here about this and other developments that don’t fit exactly what the prevailing voices like). That’s ridiculous to me. Nothing in development is a no brainer but when u look at where they’re going to build this at, the quality of stores they’re bringing in, the fact that it’s currently a parking lot and that it could potentially help the tourist attractions that we have across the street, this is as close to a no brainer as you can get in this. No one seemed to learn the lessons from their incorrect criticisms of Steelyard

Thank you. Why is this so freakin hard for people around here to understand

Amen, A-freakin-men. The opposition is mystifying to me

Are u f’n serious?