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Good lord, smh. You have some “amazing” takes but any sentence that starts with “I really don’t have a problem segregating them” regardless of what qualifier you add after that is pretty incredible. You do realize that a large portion of the CLE population is at or below the poverty line right? Smh

I completely agree with you E-Rocc. It’s presumptuous to say innovation is “advancing” social issues because that presumes that we all agree on the issues that should be advanced. That’s a top down, presumptuous mentality. And when we hear about what social issues need to be advanced, we almost always hear liberal ones, exclusively. Well the city of Cleveland is 53 percent black and 10 percent Hispanic. (I am in one of those groups). Check Pew Research. Those are not two particularly doctrinaire liberal groups, regardless of voting patterns. I GUARANTEE you many members of those groups would have different views on what social issues should be “advanced” and it may not be in agreement with some of the ones mentioned here. Don’t presume everyone agrees with you on everything. Ok, off the soapbox now lol

That’s gonna sell quickly

The writer of today’s article updated it: ”But it’s a sure bet that Greater Cleveland’s leadership will try to work with the company. “It’s very important that they stay in the city and if they are looking ... I can only speak for myself, but I’m very confident that the city would do everything we could do to get them to stay in Cleveland,” City Council President Kevin Kelley said. Mayor Frank Jackson’s administration declined to comment at this time.”

Is there a reason for the secrecy

I would love to hear more about that. I know it was a footnote in KJP’s larger story but I would love to hear more about Eaton regretting their move to the suburbs. It was dumb when they did it and it’s dumb now. At this point though, the question is what could they do about it? I do hope though that SHW sees that and doesn’t make the same mistake

I hope so. The mere thought of them going to the burbs makes me ill

Do you think Jacobs and Weston can work together? It’s a lot on the line to make this work. We CANNOT have them going to the suburbs. It’d be bad for the city, bad for SW, bad all around

And as I mentioned earlier (and I think it was to you X), ALL of East Cleveland is a money loser. So I understand the argument you’re making. I comprehend it. I just reject it.

Take that to the Cleveland voters then and see how well you can sell it. ??‍♂️ If you think you can sell that to voters who are already suspicious about taking on a burdened East Cleveland anyway and you’re gonna convince them to do it while giving Forest Hills away to Cleveland Heights, let me know how well that turns out. That’s been my point from the beginning. It’s ludicrous in part because it will never ever ever ever pass muster with Cleveland voters. But if you want to find out for yourself, have at it

It’s not about it being East Cleveland’s pot o’ gold. It’s about how ludicrous it would be to go to the voters of the city of Cleveland and ask them to take in East Cleveland without its most stable neighborhood. That’s insane, and no one would support that. It would go down in flames and set back the regionalism movement. In addition to that, your argument that it’s not a “pot o’ gold” still doesn’t justify why Cleveland shouldn’t insist on it in any merger talks. You don’t just give away a neighborhood like that. That’s dumb. We all agree where the best potential returns on investment are in a merger, but if it was that easy to make it happen then glenville and Hough and Fairfax (neighborhoods with the same amount of proximity to UC and already in the city) would be thriving now. It ain’t that easy. And it definitely wouldn’t with East Cleveland added, a place that doesn’t even have the basic level of service and quality that the neighborhoods I mentioned have! So before you can capitalize on any potential that East Cleveland has, you have to get it to the bare minimum of where the rest of Cleveland neighborhoods are. EC isn’t even at that. Which, again, is why it’s ludicrous to cede it’s most stable neighborhood in a merger. Forest Hill isn’t a pot o’ gold, but EC along Euclid Avenue isn’t either because of what it would take to even get it up to basic standards of the rest of the city of cleveland

Which will take years and millions upon millions upon millions of dollars

You could make that argument for the whole damn city then lol. EC is a money loser period. But why would you want to cede a stable neighborhood to a relatively wealthy suburb while you keep the things that are in worse shape? That logic doesn’t make sense. The whole city is a money loser, so let’s get rid of the areas that are nicer than the rest of the city and require less investment to get the standard up. That makes no sense at all. Not to mention it’s an exercise in futility because any proposal that does that is DOA in Cleveland

And btw, Cleveland already knows that EC wouldn’t be revenue positive for a while. Just to get EC up to the standard of services that the rest of Cleveland has would be costly. That’s why the city wanted more money from the state to move forward with it. It would make it an easier sell politically. Mayor Jackson is interested in an EC merger, but not if the state isn’t going to kick in significant amounts to help make that happen. I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way a merger will ever happen is that EC has to either go completely broke (GE pulling out of Nela Park would probably do it) or the state is going to have to force it by some sort of law in order to make it happen. Cleveland doesn’t want to do it without state assistance and EC would rather starve independently than potentially thrive as part of Cleveland

Which we can’t. I can tell you for a fact that people have absolutely brought up absorbing all of East Cleveland vs the whole share with CH thing. We all know the EC annexation was on the table, and that alone is a tough sell, but to absorb the unstable parts and give the stable parts to Cleveland Heights is an absolute nonstarter. I have heard a Cleveland city councilman say that specifically, as well as other residents. Taking over East Cleveland is a hard sell as it is. Because people view it as “moving in your broke ass little brother into your house when you’re struggling to survive as it is” as Councilman Polensek said (not the same councilman mentioned above btw. Polensek’s comments were public and on the record, lol). But then to cede the stable parts of EC to CH? I can’t find the words to share with this forum to demonstrate how much of a nonstarter that is. Few people in cleveland would support that at all. It just wouldn’t happen. And on principle alone, I wouldn’t support that either. And I’m pro annexation.

I’m a Cleveland resident who has long supported East Cleveland becoming part of Cleveland. My position changes completely if Cleveland Heights were to get the “nice” parts. It would be blasphemous for Cleveland to agree to a merger like that. All of East Cleveland or none of it

Anyone interested: the Ohio House is shooting the state in the foot again, proposing ELIMINATING the film tax credit (which should actually be increased). If anyone wants to reach out use this link https://www.clevelandfilm.com/film-news/urgent-save-ohio-film-jobs/

Do you know where this idea stands?

It was not an afterthought. That’s unfair to the work that people put in to make that happen. I bet you Tim Scott (R-SC) and Cory Booker (D-NJ) didn’t think it was an afterthought when they worked hard to write this and get it done. Opinions about the tax act as a whole aside, don’t cheapen the effort it took to get opportunity zones passed

Exactly. This isn’t a grant. There still has to be return on investment. It’s a balancing act

We could have more too. That’s the thing that doesn’t make sense. There are several media companies in the area that are in suburbs for no reason. Univision is in Parma. Like, really?! Lol. iHeart should be downtown. There really isn’t a reason for 107.3 The Wave to be in the suburbs. 3,5 and 8 aren’t moving anytime soon. 19/43 is basically around the corner. But there’s still a lot of media companies who should be downtown. And a New York style media district would be great for the city and it would create excellent synergy

Maybe there should be a public push to make this neighborhood the “media center”. That’s such a great idea. iHeart is the big fish. They just did this in Vegas so it’s not impossible. https://radioink.com/2019/01/17/iheart-moving-studios-to-downtown-vegas/

This is an excellent idea. Wonder what it would take to get iHeart out of the Burbs. Or even Univision, which has no legitimate reason to be in the burbs.

Is there any chance that a Titletown could happen? Is that something the Browns would be interested in? They SHOULD be

If that’s considered a flop, with how many shoppers come there and how many brands are there (several of which aren’t anywhere else in the city), I’ll take that flop any day.