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Cleveland.com updated their article with demographic numbers: ”Also noteworthy are Cleveland’s demographic shifts over the last decade. White people now comprise 40% of the population, compared to 37% in 2010. Black people now comprise 49% of the population, compared to 53% a decade ago. Those identifying as two or more races held steady at about 4%. The Hispanic population also increased – today, 12% of Clevelanders identify as Hispanic, up from 10% in 2010.”

And there still isn’t much you can do about that. In order to fix these neighborhoods the city is going to have to deliberately target them with a large amount of resources to stop the bleeding, and then the private sector will follow. The amount of money needed may give people some heartburn, but you’re gonna have to do it to get back to growth and not decline

Where are you seeing these demographic numbers? I’d like to pull them up

I hate that it’s another decline, but it’s a slight decline. If things keep going in a positive direction, I expect us to go up soon

Have u seen most of the NFL stadiums across the league and the sea of parking usually around those stadiums? That’s the price of having a major league team in your city. Fighting that part is silly in my opinion. I agree with everybody that the parking lot on the lakefront is not ideal, but an “urban design friendly NFL stadium” is virtually nonexistent. Either live with that or move it off of the lake. No one who has any sense should want the stadium to be somewhere in the suburbs, but there’s going to be parking around an NFL stadium. I accept that. The real question is lot vs garage and if there’s a better way to do it

You’re always gonna have parking on the lakefront as long as there’s a stadium on the lakefront. That doesn’t bother me. It’s the surface lot part that bothers me

That’s why I think they should build a parking GARAGE with first floor retail so that it both serves the parking needs by the stadium (which is admittingly a nightmare to park by) and have some actual functional use for it other than a surface lot. And if you build it correctly, you could add a building on top later, a la, the Beacon

Not opposed to the parking. I am opposed to the lot. Just build a damn garage with first floor retail. OR, that “Greater Cleveland Sports Hall of Fame” thing that they run? You could, I don’t know, build an actual physical space for it and put parking on top of it. I’m supportive of the need for parking down there for games, but a big ass surface lot? No bueno

Any word on the retail tenants?

If they have to make the smaller building bigger it would be a perfect opportunity for a flagship SHW store. Frankly, I don’t know why they aren’t doing that already. It makes the most sense to have a flagship SHW store there. It would be perfect

I love it

I’m not sure I quite understand the concept they are pitching. But if it saves Tower City and breathes new life into it, I’m all for it

I’d rather see actual development on this site. I hope someone buys it and builds on it

No, just disbelief that you’d voluntarily chase this out of the city limits

What??

LIHTC typically does not

From what I know about LIHTC, it is considered to be a tier above section 8, particularly in cost. People living here will be paying more than someone would be in section 8. And the quality of the product typically tends to be better. So it’s not the same. But I don’t want to quibble on that when we both agree on the larger point

Totally agree. We should want to make that money spread out to as many projects as possible

Tbh, it’s not the “equitable” thing for me per se (which I find to be a buzzword that has very little actual meaning to it). What I care about is continued growth and opportunity. And if downtown is at 20,000 residents currently (which we think it is or close to) and we want it to get to 40,000 then you BETTER open up opportunities to the middle and working classes. As others here have already written, many of these folks work downtown already. So they’re good enough to work downtown but not live downtown? And this doesn’t take anything away from high dollar developments designed to cater to wealthy people. I want as many wealthy people living in the city limits as possible, because those folks pay taxes and they provide the city with more resources to help everybody else. But I also believe that downtown is big enough that we can do both. Yes this is affordable housing in the middle of the CBD. But it activates another building that’s currently dead. It brings more residents to downtown. Which means there’s more buy in to downtown, more people caring about what happens in downtown. It will also change some people’s environments which can eventually change their trajectories, which means today’s affordable housing residents could potentially become tomorrow’s market rate resident. I don’t see anything wrong with this project from a pure business sense. If it was section 8 or a housing project I’d have a little heartburn. But that’s not what this is. And it contributes to continued growth downtown. Which we all say we want. Go for it

Why is it “rather odd?” You’re acting like they’re building project housing. Or Section 8. I think it’s smart because that’s a big ass building and you want to fill it with people and if you want downtown’s population to continue to grow, u gotta get some middle class and working class folks in there too. When some people hear “affordable housing” they think “ghetto”. And that’s grossly unfair. This isn’t section 8. This isn’t housing projects.

There is no modifying that jail. The conditions were so bad that even the feds said it was bad. They NEED a new jail. But they do need to specify how it will be paid for.

That’s the only critique I agree with. It would make a lot of sense to have a flagship store here

I don’t mind the design, the setback, any of that. The awning though, that’s kinda weird and awkwardly built

Damn it

The hoods have been deteriorating since at least the 60s. That’s the point. Every decade it HAS gotten worse. But again, if you aren’t from there and have no real history there, you don’t know that