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Where did you hear that from? That’s interesting news. I wish he’d just buy the Indians instead

Sounds like UC just became our Research Triangle

An option that they decided against. So it wasn’t an option FOR THEM. They could’ve done that if they wanted to. They didn’t want to. So there ain’t another option. They wanted to be on PS. Period. You’re gonna tell a Fortune 500 company that they have to go where you want them to go (and not where they want to be) if they don’t design their HQ on PS to your desires? Good luck with that

Where else would it have been built in the city? It would be more likely that it would’ve been built outside the city or even outside of the state. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Keep some perspective here

Hobby Lobby would be huge. I think that would be the only one within the city limits

Hough is not Ohio City. Hough is not Tremont. And it doesn’t have to be in order to be a successful neighborhood. There are over 30 neighborhoods in the city of Cleveland. All of them don’t have to look the same.

EXACTLY

I don’t know if it’s possible to vehemently disagree with this any more than I already do. The fact of the matter is people like housing like this, whether you like it or not. And the city of Cleveland is big enough to have every neighborhood be different, every neighborhood offer something for someone. “Suburban” style houses were built in Hough to begin with because the residents WANTED them there. The early history of Hough was one of wealth and the actual people who live there today wanted the neighborhood to be restored to the prestige it used to have. Furthermore, many of the people living in these homes are people who would be in the eastern suburbs if this housing style didn’t exist. You’d rather have them not be here at all vs living in housing that you don’t like? And if you want to get the black middle class back in Cleveland (which we should), you can forget it if you don’t have housing like this. There can at least be one neighborhood that gives people that kind of lifestyle that they want within the city limits. It ain’t gonna kill you to have that

I’m a true Cleveland fan and I want what’s in the best interest of the city. Period. And what’s in the best interest of the city is SHW being here, headquartered downtown. THAT was the big win. If they design the headquarters the way that I like, then fine. But the big win was keeping them here in the first place. That’s what I’m saying. Nothing can really disappoint me after they made their decision. I know allll the history about Cleveland that you laid out. But a billion dollar company committing to keep its home here, that ALONE is evidence of being a big league city

It’s not ideal but id rather have them than not have them so it’s all good

Does anybody remember what restaurants/venues were gonna be in these things

Exactly

Well...that aged well lol

1. The jail should NOT be at the Opportunity Corridor. That’s NOT what it’s for. And also if you want to see unscrupulous politicians take cheap shots to undermine the existence and development of the Opportunity Corridor, put the county jail there. That’ll do it. 2. I’m not even going to get into the idea of bail reform making it unnecessary to have a county jail because, I mean, really? Really y’all? Come on now. I support criminal justice reform. I think you’d have to be blind to not see that some changes need to be made. But there will never be a time where we DONT need a jail for a county of this size unless we just decide that we don’t care about prosecuting crimes at all anymore. It is the height of naivety to think that we could ever get to that point in any major metropolitan city in the United States without also sacrificing safety and security to get there. So back to reality, the real world in which we live in, the county jail will need to be built somewhere obviously. I just don’t think it should be in the OC.

Don’t think it’s a good look to have the jail on the opportunity corridor. I get what you’re saying though

That niche doesn’t really exist, not in Cleveland. Because we have RMFH, and other venues for smaller events. And like I mentioned earlier, some would just rather have the prestige of being in RMFH. I do understand your hesitancy as far as the sports program. My counter to that would be though that A: CSU has shown no desire to make the necessary investments to make the program grow (I think they should but that’s a different conversation for another day) and B: if that ever changes, they can play at RMFH too. Other college programs play at their major league arenas

I want to make this clear too, even if they kept it at the same capacity, it’s still old, outdated and needs to be replaced. The fact that it’s too big on top of that just makes that point even clearer. Especially when CSU apparently isn’t prepared or willing to make the necessary investment in the Vikings to make the Wolstein sell out again. And even if they did, they could just play at RMFH too. So the arena is old, the concessions are old, the VIP sections (where arenas make a good amount of money) are old, the whole arena is old and outdated. So even if they kept the same capacity (which they shouldn’t), it STILL needs to be torn down and rebuilt

1. If it was in a good position to market its niche, it wouldn’t be losing a million dollars a year pre-Covid. 2. “[Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse] which has 20,000 seats and is located within walking distance of downtown hotels and restaurants, is willing to close off parts of the building for acts and also guarantees payment in advance of the show, which CSU doesn’t want to do because it could lead to financial losses, she said.“ My comment stands. (https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2013/09/cleveland_state_universitys_wo.html) 3. it’s over 10,000 now. It seems like half of that would make the most sense.

The Wolstein Center is not properly sized. It’s too big to compete for smaller events and too small to compete for bigger events. CSU has not invested enough in their Vikings basketball program to get it to the sell out era of the 80s-early 90s. It’s old, tired, and outdated. It NEEDS to be replaced. Leaving it alone and just building around it doesn’t address the reason why the school is losing, what, over a million a year on the Wolstein? It’s not attractive as an arena for the reasons I just said. I would never book anything there, and there’s a lot of events (pre-Covid of course) that would just pass over it. If you have the money to get a big venue, you’d rather be at RMFH because of the prestige (that’s our MSG). And for the smaller events/acts, you’re not gonna go there because they don’t give any guarantees on the tickets like other arenas so you’re gonna lose money, and it’s still expensive to book there even though it’s prohibitive to actually make your money back, and, again, it’s too big for mid-sized/small events/acts. So those folks choose to either go to HOB or Masonic or one of the Playhouse Square theatres. Wolstein is not sustainable at its current state. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt. (I’d prefer for it to be closer to Gateway but if not, it still needs to be rebuilt). As far as the housing around it, I don’t really care if it’s “suburban” style or not. I want “nice”, so it doesn’t matter to me if it’s CBD housing (which technically that location is not IN the CBD but whatever) or “suburban” style. I don’t care. I want CSU to grow and I want the area to be full of college students

I’m in agreement with you

I agree. I think it could actually even be a potential attendance boost to have it at or near Gateway. Not sure where though

That’s an interesting thought. Never thought about “embracing” the winter. Could work

Beautiful

A Walmart would do fantastically well in that area as far as sales/numbers are concerned. As noted, it has the population in and around the neighborhood to support it. If true, I’ll shop there when I need to go to a Walmart

If true, I’m not mad at it