MissinOhio

Did they finally clean up that area where the Goodtime was docked before? Bunch of floating debris in the corner, and I'm sure they weren't too worried about it due to construction of the marina. Thanks for the pics

For crying out loud, it was a cliche saying. It's an Internet forum, let's not look too far into the bus comment. Nor was I offended by your comment. I made an observation and felt compelled to reply. I hope it doesn't become an issue because Cincinnati has a spectacular downtown and surrounding neighborhoods. But I know how suburban Cincinnati is, and how little known the city is to them. More ignorant than anything I guess. But this is the type of story that fuels their fears.

As opposed to where? It's a big city with a big crowd for this event. These things unfortunately happen. While no violence is good, in the grand scheme of things, this could have been much, much worse. Just this weekend Cleveland had something like 2 killed and six shot in a big crowd. I'd prefer that there was no crime at all, and people should be upset about it. But I hope we don't blow this out of proportion and give ammunition to people who are upset with the city's momentum. Why the need to throw Cleveland under the bus? A death is still a death, but it was one person killed in a neighborhood known for crime at a big party that got out of hand. Not near or in downtown Cleveland. Not throwing Cleveland under the bus--it was the most recent instance that came to mind of a crowd that got out of hand and had a death and several people shot, so I mentioned it purely by comparison sake (i.e., the issue with Taste was a crowd that got out of hand and had violence). I don't see what the location has to do with it. Also, why so defensive? My point is simply that it could have been much, much worse, not that Cleveland has some kind of problem. Location has a lot to do with it. It would be much different if it happened downtown near areas where people from all over come to and enjoy. Can you imagine the media attention that would receive? Where it happened in Cleveland was an area known for crime, not the case in Cincy during a major festival that attracts over half a million. I mean look at this Cincinnati instance. Now the media is going to make downtown out to be some bad place to be. The real thing they should preach is street smartness no matter where you are. Now downtown Cincinnati is going to be bad mouthed by all kinds of people no matter how great a place it is to live and work in. I'm not being defensive, just matter of fact.

As opposed to where? It's a big city with a big crowd for this event. These things unfortunately happen. While no violence is good, in the grand scheme of things, this could have been much, much worse. Just this weekend Cleveland had something like 2 killed and six shot in a big crowd. I'd prefer that there was no crime at all, and people should be upset about it. But I hope we don't blow this out of proportion and give ammunition to people who are upset with the city's momentum. Why the need to throw Cleveland under the bus? A death is still a death, but it was one person killed in a neighborhood known for crime at a big party that got out of hand. Not near or in downtown Cleveland.

How many murders has Cleveland had this year? Cleveland's becoming a regular Detroit/St. Louis. Maybe it was already there.

For Cincinnati/SW Ohio? Remember, there are still 8.5 million people elsewhere in the state not even close to Cincy. Here's to hoping The Banks gets a new tenant!

Please stop with this. Sometimes Clevelanders need to wake up. Dan Gilbert does not care about Cleveland like you think he does. Stop reading the PD articles on him, and get in touch with reality. Read his twitter and read about how he supports Detroit, but you don't find anything about the great happenings in Cleveland. It is already embarrassing enough that he puts Cleveland and Detroit in the same sentence a majority of the time. I had some time off work last month so I went up to Cleveland to check on a lot of the projects taking place up there. I started out with lunch on the west side, and worked my way downtown. The Stanley Block looks like $hit. Mounds of mud and trash. The skywalk?! Gilbert knows the importance of history and saves buildings left and right there in Detroit, but tears them down in Cleveland and defaces them with huge walkways. I promise you Gilbert would bit** about that until something was done, but who cares about Cleveland, right? More people like locals are making a bigger change in Cleveland than he is with a hell of a lot less money. But the majority of Clevelanders fail to realize this because they don't own a sports team. We won't go into Gilbert's complete failure of owning the Cavs. He has done more harm to Cleveland's image than good. Whoopty freakin doo he built a casino. The letter, the Columbia, and walking past that mess that was the Stanley only frustrated me more. I know Clevelanders deserve better, but as long as they see a guy who they think cares about Cleveland on the outside but doesn't give a rat's @$$ in reality will continue to support him until he sells the Cavs and realize he just talked a big game. Don't put Cleveland and Detroit in the same sentence because Cleveland isn't Detroit. Secondly, if you're going to say you "love big Midwest cities like Detroit and Cleveland" maybe you can take care of your real estate in Cleveland a little better.

I thought the convention was normally in late August/early September... MONTHS after even the NBA finals! NBA season doesn't start until November, so there should be no overlap if the convention is still held in late Summer. Even if the convention happened to fall during the NBA finals, I don't think the Cavs would have much to worry about. :wink: Lets face it, Dan Gilbert owns the team. Anyway, there's always the Wolstein. Cleveland has plenty of downtown hotels currently/under construction, rail link from Hopkins to Tower City, a brand new convention center, and plenty of arena/stadium space all within a walkable area of eachother. At the end of the day, I am sure no Ohio city will get it.

I am going to assume you are being sarcastic with this inane post. I mean you can't really be this oblivious to urban development, can you? I will give you the benefit of the doubt before I completely call your dumba$$ post out.

I actually don't think it's that bad. I just hope the supports can look good after a few years of weathering. One thing that may give it a more busy look is that it's atop a two-story building and the sign is rather large. But again, this is PHS creating a new image for the district. Not everyone is going to like the chandelier or large signage, but it's a nationally recognized theatre district and this will only add to its feel as a neighborhood.

Florida is the #1 state for out-migration from Ohio, but it's also the #1 state for in-migration TO Ohio. I suspect this is a lot of old retirees, though it does seem like quite a few end up coming back. Also a lot of younger people tapping out and coming back as they found out moving to Florida didn't turn to be the cure-all hard reset they expected. Yep, this happens a lot more than people realize. Except for very specific areas, Florida is a dump. And the problem is you're surrounded by thousands upon thousands of people who moved their with the same visions in their head, few of whom will ever admit that the reality is something other than what they want to imagine it is. The absolute worst are those people who feel a need to email or call you when they hear there's snow in Ohio, and tell you what the weather is there. Yeah, it's sunny and warm, but everyone's inside watching TV getting fat, just like they would have been doing here. All of this is spot on. It's miserable in Florida with no job prospects. I went to UF and most graduates goals were to find a job OUTSIDE of Florida because opportunity there was so hard to come by. It's nice to visit, but give it a week and you are ready to leave again. Everything looks the same, and it is one chain after another sprawled along 10 miles of Walmarts and Targets. Leave your air conditioned house to get into your air conditioned car, and check your shoes for scorpions.

No shots of downtown Salem? I see the hospital tower is going up pretty fast. Head eastward towards wally world and melville hill and the strip plazas and sprawl just gets worse. Leetonia, always a sleepy little town. Never understood why they built a new highschool with such a rapidly declining enrollment. Great photos as always

Some people are just incapable of doing that when the comments do not agree with their vciews. You're more guilty of this than anyone. If someone doesnt agree with your view then they are wrong. The caps will only add to the cohesiveness of what the riverfront and downtown offer. This is not the 1970s so get our of your car mentality and think walkability... or suburban mentality on your part. We know you dont like Cincy or the urban environment, but stop asserting this inane idea that people who appreciate the city dont know what they're talking about. You clearly dont see the potential in the caps. If it bothers you so much, stay up in Mason and forget about the city....

Does anyone know if the cauldron will be a permanent feature to the mall? Seems like a great piece that I believe should stay.

Race shouldn't matter. I see where people are going with the African American male homicides, but if I were a young professional moving into the city and I heard about all the shootings in OTR or was enjoying Washington Park and heard gunshots, you bet I would think twice about that area. I love the city, but there are certain aspects of people who live in the suburbs who wouldn't dream of this thing on a more "regular" basis.

This isn't the Cleveland crime thread. The point of the matter is Cincinnati has had a dramatic increase in homicides, and some are not just limited to bad neighborhoods, but popular sections of OTR. Cincinnati better get its crime figured out quick. The numbers that are coming out of the city are sad for a city of under 300,000.

Is it 40 homicides for Hamilton county, Warren, Butler, etc? Or are the 40 just in Cincinnati? If it is just cincinnati, those numbers don't speak well for the city. Several shootings in OTR and one in Washington Park recently... I could say the same for Detroit, a metro area of some 5 million, but the city itself is out of control when I comes to homicides.

40 homicides in a city with 290,000?! That's horrible numbers.

That's because there is NOTHING wrong with the place. I can hear it now those, as someone who lives in the Canfield/Boardman/Poland area, "Typical Youngstown!" I am a transfer student who went to Cleveland State, and had more problems there with the homeless. I lived in Fenn Tower, and things go sketchy real quick when you would cross the I-90 bridge on Euclid heading towards the east side. I refused to pay some $120 for a parking pass this past semester, and can easily find myself some parking places along some of the inner core streets of campus. I spend most of my days in the Phelps building, so I park by the new Lariccia accounting building and park on the street where there is no meters and no time limit. But on days where I am running late, most everything is taken on campus so I park on side streets like Lincoln. This area you are almost certain to find a spot, but some would consider is sketchy. I have never once feared for my life, or even felt like something was going to happen. And I have walked to my car a lot of the time in the evening when it is dark out. The only thing that bothers me when I am over in that area is the fact that Charlie Staples smells so damn good and I don't have any money on me to stop in and get something to eat. YSU and downtown Youngstown are fine, but people in the suburbs who know nothing about the city will run their mouths like they always do. I grew up in the southern suburbs and "hickville" Columbiana County, and that's all you would hear people do is run their mouths about how big of a warzone Youngstown is. If anything, the biggest problems I see on campus are the kids from Canfield racing around in their BMWs trying to get into the parking garage and almost hit people on the sidewalks doing so. And now that I am working in an office building downtown and hear the stories of a lot of the success and eateries to stop at during lunch, it's truly and exciting time in the city. Now if only they could save the Paramount :roll:

I will do that. Any change you will be coming down to Youngstown between now and June? I figured you might know some people there.

^Been the big story in the news around here for the past week. I find in pathetic that Kasich allows both Pennsylvania and West Virginia's waste water to be stored in Ohio. Not like Pennsylvania and West Virginia have screwed up their environments enough, lets bring us down to their level. This dumping is just the beginning.

So I am doing some work relating to ceds (Comprehensive Economic Development Strategy). I spent the first half of my day tying in traffic numbers in Mahoning and Trumbull Counties, second half of my day working on this economic development report. I am interning at Eastgate in Youngstown, and we have done a lot with the Northeast Ohio Sustainability Communities Consortium. Anyway, I am working with someone who went to Cleveland State for planning which is great as I did my freshmen year there, and we can go on about all things Cleveland. But I am not trying to be one of those Cleveland can't do anything types, but I am seriously concerned for Cleveland right now. Some of the stuff I found today that got me thinking: Cleveland can hype up its low unemployment rate, but at the cost of its rapidly declining labor force? http://www.pittsburghtoday.org/view_economy_unempl_change.html?m=6 Again, employment outlooks do not look good: http://www.pittsburghtoday.org/view_economy_unempl_change.html?m=6 Cleveland has seen little job (mostly NO) growth over the past two years. Even in tech growth (which I assumed Cleveland would be really excelling in), that looks pretty dismal. http://www.newgeography.com/content/003473-the-cities-winning-the-battle-for-the-biggest-growth-sector-in-the-us Maybe I am reading into things too much, but things really are not looking good at all for Cleveland.

I wouldn't look too much into it. Great info as always. The famous cliche, you're human and we make mistakes. Ok, so you left out some census tracts for a few areas... there was a lot of info to be had so there was bound to be a few areas accidentally left out. Keep posting this stuff, it's interesting.

Exactly. So heed your own advice and don't immediately call projects happening in the city a failure. That's all you hear from suburbanites, and in this day in age, it's always so nice to shut them up when cities are enjoying an immense rebound. And just what exactly does this have to do with Austin Landing, which is about as suburban as you can get? If you have a point I certainly missed it. Shocking that you missed my point. :roll: I am tired of you trolling on here bashing anything that goes on in the city, yet come stomping in here quick to defend the suburbs. You want to call us ridiculous? Look in the mirror. You're trolling at best on this site. So point being: Heed your own advice. Don't quickly jump to calling something a failure without seeing it through. The point you were trying to make with Austin Landing. Yet, somehow you have the right to talk down on urban development before ground is even broken? Right. If you don't get that, I don't know how else to explain it to you. Move along then. On to the next one. :wink:

Exactly. So heed your own advice and don't immediately call projects happening in the city a failure. That's all you hear from suburbanites, and in this day in age, it's always so nice to shut them up when cities are enjoying an immense rebound.