MissinOhio

I agree if SW doesn't touch Scranton, what does that mean for future development of the area? With that said, as much of a nice surprise as it was to hear last week that this location was in consideration for r&d, this wasn't a location too many people thought of. So as disappointing as this news is, we still have a other locations that may not pose as such a "risk" as the sp. What about more dense and taller development on the Weston Block (that makes us forumers happy)? You can't get much closer to your new headquarters than that. What about other parcels in the immediate area? There's another lot on St. Clair and West 9th. There are a few smaller parking lot parcels that exist in the immediate area. I am not sure how these parcels are shaped and who owns them. But based on their footprint, maybe building a little taller would be the way to go here. As we have discuss on here, it's easy for us to tell a company how to spend their money. This area is obviously going to change dramatically in the next few years which is exciting to think about. These parking lot parcels that are not the Weston Block seem like good candidates. Look at what Amazon has done around their location near Downtown Seattle.

And you can't get any closer to the Rapid.

And look how much this block has changed in just 3/4 short years. I don't understand how people living here do not see this as a GOOD thing?! Sorry, NIMBY, there's always Strongsville.

I agree. That's like I said on the last page about Rittenhouse. It's a great neighborhood with amazing density, but it doesn't feel overwhelming. Walking through Society Hill and Old City you know you're in some of the best preserved neighborhoods in one of the nation's largest cities, but it feels quaint and pleasant to walk through. It helps that Philly has such a great tree canopy in these areas, too. Every city has it's areas where it's quiet and peaceful, but like you said, Philly just does a really good job at preserving these areas all over the city.

Rittehouse Square is such a great neighborhood, and it doesn't feel overpowering either, it's just right. Speaking of density, the crane is up for the 599 ft Laurel in the grassy patch at the lower right of the above image (NW part of Rittenhouse Square).

^That is my favorite building going up anywhere. I think it's been a long time since we have seen a building go up in a city with this kind of attention to detail. It's so exciting watching Midtown's skyline change like it currently is. Waiting on the crown to see how it turns out. Only concern I think is the terracotta pieces do not seem to line up like they should, but that could be for the lighting and shading effects?

Nice. Columbus has done a decent job filling in the empty lots east of downtown as evidenced by this photo. I believe the lot in the center right foreground (near that new red building) is slated to be torn up soon.

This. Thanks for putting together the spreadsheets. It's really interesting to see Dayton compete with Nashville and Jacksonville with both cities having massive boundaries. This just doesn't happen in Ohio with established inner ring (even outer ring) suburbs, but the density numbers are there to prove they pack a punch.

^Love it! Cleveland looks so good. It won't be a bad thing if NuCLEus blocks some of that view though.

It seems like several of you are getting some great shots from just outside the urban affairs building. Since my freshmen year at CSU in 2010, I'm amazed at the transformation that has happened along this stretch in just 9 years. Not only have so many impressive historic renovations have happened, but because so much has been restored, beautiful new infill is taking place today. One of my friends from Pennsylvania who started their freshmen year at CSU with me moved to Michgian for grad school, and found their way back to Cleveland getting a job at UH. It's not just all the New Yorkers moving in!

Such an impressive presence from I-77.

I could care less if it was a joke or not. I was calling it out. smdh lol.

^That entire stretch of buildings is going through some type of investment now including Statler. Great to see!

Well it took 4 posts until we had to hear about Columbus carrying the state. That might be a record. Glad to see Ohio is doing better than its competitors: Illinois, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

How many Handel's locations are in Akron? Glad to see it part of a new development in the city.

It's not that clear. If you go into the Cleveland population discussion, you'll see maps and reports which show some areas of Greater Cleveland, including the inner city, are doing very well. Areas like Ohio City, Tremont, Gordon Square, downtown, University Circle, etc. are drawing people from throughout Greater Cleveland, around Ohio, many states (especially eastern ones), and even the world. Because Franklin County has far fewer municipalities than Cuyahoga County, and the land area of Columbus is many times larger than Cleveland's, it is difficult for Central Ohioans to understand that Greater Cleveland hasn't lost population. Nor has Greater Youngstown-Warren. Nor Akron-Canton. Their core cities have lost population to older suburbs which has lost population to newer and expanding exurbs. No-growth sprawl means every home or business that gets built results in the abandonment of a home or business, usually in the older core city that represents a geographically small area compared to the metro area. The sooner we replace obsolete homes or businesses within the same neighborhoods rather than at the urban fringe, the sooner we can stop the horrific damage that no-growth sprawl is causing to Ohio's cities. EDIT: regarding Northeast Ohioans leaving for Columbus for opportunity is not that simple either. Perhaps they can't find a job in their preferred field. But there are jobs in NE Ohio. A lot of them. And they're going unfilled.... Good-paying jobs in NE Ohio remain unfilled because workers lack credentials https://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2017/05/good-paying_jobs_in_ne_ohio_re.html Pretty much. A lot of people elsewhere in the state don't understand that NEO has pretty much remained stagnant with people just moving further and further out. I work with several land banks in NEO and most of our demolitions are happening in the central areas of these cities. Most land banks are getting their properties from their county's auditor through tax foreclosure. Most of the homes in the outer rings or hot city neighborhoods are being bought up at sheriff sales (before land banks can acquire them) because most people see them as worthy of flipping mainly because of their locations. And if the land banks are doing rehabs, they are happening in the neighborhoods that are on the cusp of becoming a growing destination. Even Cuyahoga County's land bank is doing new construction on some of their lots in Cleveland's hotter neighborhoods. It's not all doom and gloom in NEO, and there's already the foundation for a lot of growth. Just look at YNDC and the Mahoning County collaboration.

I get the Business Journal in the Youngstown area at work two times a day in my email and that article showed up. It's an interesting read, and it goes to show you just how bad Southern Ohio is really doing. Hopefully there is a slowdown with the more official numbers in the 2020 Census. Aren't the fastest growing areas in Cincinnati on the Kentucky side?

^Thanks for the update. Just starting on level 10?

^^^That is such a great project and Hessler Road is such an awesome residential street! I can't wait to see the finished project. BTW, there's a New York license plate in that picture, FWIW.

Yeah I got that. I don't think the arches in the Short North are a bad thing at all, they are part of what makes the neighborhood. The chandelier is newer, and again, not a fan, but it fits in with the theme of the theaters. OTR is more traditional where a placemaker outside of a historical marker would not be warranted.

^No one is getting worked up. I was just curious as to the analogy of Central Parkway and Playhouse Square which didn't make much sense. Seriously though, that gap is a clear divider between downtown and OTR.

Why would someone even put a giant chandelier over a wide Detroit-esque road like Central Parkway? At least in Playhouse Square the chandelier fits in with the theme of that neighborhood (I am not a fan of it, but it's there). Not to mention Euclid is narrow enough with a canyon-like stretch of downtown that has filled in several gaps, including the new residential highrise underway. Fill in central with some nice infill, which they are slowly starting to do. But that huge mess of a gap (Central) needs to be addressed.

How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. People can rent a car for any length of time. Who's to say what's going on, but a lot of the hype around the license plates seemed pretty anecdotal, and all I am saying is there could be many reasons behind it. There's no need to stop with the focus on license plates when it gets brought up constantly. All I was doing was mentioning it might be rental cars and that seems to have struck a nerve. Obviously more is going on then rental cars, but when that seems to be the topic of more than one post, it's worth mentioning other factors regarding those cars. Are these statements anecdotal? Third, for those already married with children, they're probably noticing new faces at their child's day care. For example, at Lakewood Child Care Center, they're coming from New York, other eastern states as well as from Chicago, said Director Holle Brambrick. "Our (facility) tours of potential new customers coming from out-of-state has definitely increased in the past year," she said. and.... Furthermore, Skantzos estimates that about 20 to 25 percent of the work at Howard Hanna's Rocky River office is handling relocations to the Cleveland area. While only about 5 percent of his business is relocations, there are realtors at his office who handle nothing but relocations and they are busy, he says. and... The change in the market is being noticed in Downtown Cleveland too. There, Greg Deming, property manager at the new Worthington Yards apartments in the Warehouse District, said he's surprised by the number of people relocating to Cleveland for new jobs this winter. Did I mention that any of what you just posted was? I referenced that there can be any number of reasons why you see multiple state license plates in certain areas. Rental cars can be one of those.

Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good. At the time I posted it, it was the only Ohio-related information available. And I just stated a fact, I did not go into some anti-Cleveland rant. Jesus you guys are sensitive. Chill out. Not being sensitive at all. That's just the typical Columbus attitude towards anything Cleveland, and your reputation proceeds you. At this point, it's expected out of you. Go back and read what you said. You certainly worded it to make a negative point towards Cleveland. Try again. Your hatred for Cleveland shows every time you talk about the place. I get it you go back and forth with several Cleveland posters on other sites, but again, I don't get why you talk so negatively about a city you know literally nothing about. I'm still waiting to hear about this. And if you don't think this post I quoted you in doesn't reek of being smart, try reading it from an outsiders perspective. "Made a top 10 list..." Don't troll, it doesn't look good. At the time I posted it, it was the only Ohio-related information available. And I just stated a fact, I did not go into some anti-Cleveland rant. Jesus you guys are sensitive. Chill out. Not being sensitive at all. That's just the typical Columbus attitude towards anything Cleveland, and your reputation proceeds you. At this point, it's expected out of you. Go back and read what you said. You certainly worded it to make a negative point towards Cleveland. Try again. Yeah you are being sensitive. Let it go. Nobody went off the deep end at the Cleveland posters who jokingly posted right before the actual info came out. Leave the city vs city stuff out of it("typical Columbus attitude towards anything Cleveland"). Do you want to get this thread shut down because you don't like the info? Geez. I asked a question. If you didn't like it, it's easy, you don't have to respond. I asked a specific question to one forumer, not you, so heed your own advice and just let it go. The one poster before that was obviously posting nonsense and seems to be new, best to ignore it. But the way the next Cleveland post came about "in the top 10...", I mean come on, it's been known this poster has had a problem with Cleveland for a very long time. This is a thread comparing the population numbers in Ohio, so we can talk about all areas. It's not city vs city. I have stuck up and posted positively for all areas of Ohio, including Columbus in forums where YOU yourself post. I get annoyed with certain posters who bring their posting habits from other sites here who feel the need to put down Cleveland because they get into pi$$ing contests with posters elsewhere. What info is not to like? I am not from any of the areas being discussed. The way the wording went in which some intentional motive seemed to be at play.

How long do people normally rent a car? isn't it for a few days or maybe a week or two? I'm seeing the same cars parked outside of apartment buildings in my neighborhood for several months now. And do that many people rent cars so that half the cars parked on Murray Hill Road are from out of state? Or at Ohio City apartments near where YABO713[/member] lives? And is bringing large amounts of out-of-state rental cars a new thing? If so, why? If the out-of-state plates was the only strange new thing going that indicates significant numbers of new relocations, then I would agree that something car-related is going on -- and only car related. But there are multiple non-car-related indicators involved and referenced in my article. And I didn't even include the comments in this forum about out-of-state newcomers are forumers' gyms, fitness centers, etc. People can rent a car for any length of time. Who's to say what's going on, but a lot of the hype around the license plates seemed pretty anecdotal, and all I am saying is there could be many reasons behind it. There's no need to stop with the focus on license plates when it gets brought up constantly. All I was doing was mentioning it might be rental cars and that seems to have struck a nerve. Obviously more is going on then rental cars, but when that seems to be the topic of more than one post, it's worth mentioning other factors regarding those cars.