MissinOhio

Is there a link out there with land areas for CSA's?

I think with the economy improving much better elsewhere than Ohio, these numbers will get worse for Cleveland/NE Ohio/Ohio. Look at Michigan. A lot of their metro areas have seen impressive job and population growth the last year. Estimates never tell the long story, but with how bad Cleveland and Ohio's economies are, I wouldn't be expecting good numbers any time soon.

I thought Pittsburgh's immigration was doing better than Cleveland per what I read elsewhere (Pittsburgh bias).

Right, but if you bring that up to certain Cleveland boosters here, you get told that you're wrong, and Cleveland is doing just fine, or that you need to get out and see what other cities do. There's defending Cleveland, and then there's annoying Cleveland boosterism. I will defend Cleveland, but I am also a realist. For many of us, we have been and know what is happening in other cities around the country (even right here in the Rust Belt) that are doing far better than Cleveland. Cleveland may not have the abandonment that Detroit has, but Cleveland is really only focusing on downtown or downtown neighborhoods just like Detroit. Though, downtown Detroit is booming while downtown Cleveland is doing well. Meanwhile, most of the rest of Cleveland is left abandoned.

Ohio is the only state that has seen no growth in its actual labor force... none. Ohio continues to sink. There is a reason why Ohio is cheap to live in. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST390000000000003

Had this happen the other day. Not a lot of traffic around, a box truck has his hazards on and is on the side of the road. Not out of their truck, but maybe checking something. Still, common sense tells you to pull into the left lane and give them their space. Again, no traffic around, so the car behind me could pull into the left lane as well. Nope! I almost wanted to slow all the way down and throw soda or coffee at them. It's beyond ridiculous that people don't obey the basics when it comes to safety in higher speed situations. Unfortunately a young officer lost his life. Thoughts go out to his family.

If anything, I think this will make the problem of riding dirt bikes, etc even more of a problem. I remember hearing about this when it was first proposed thinking it was the biggest joke, but it really not happening. Here we are today and it's actually approved. I don't post here a lot any more because there's just nothing exciting happening development wise. Cleveland has become the biggest joke when it comes to urban development. Detroit is booming, and Cleveland is faltering. It's not about the lack of the new big proposals starting (that's not just a Cleveland thing), but how little activity is happening around the city, and most of the city is decaying to the point where it will not come back. It's really sad. I think there was a lot of hope last year just because there seemed to be momentum. But that momentum has come to a complete standstill, and Cleveland's government does absolutely nothing to improve the city or its quality of life. But oh wait, there's a dirt bike park coming! That's progress. Meanwhile, Cleveland remains America's poorest city, absolutely no job growth, and RTA is about to shut down completely in 5-10 years with the way things are going. I hate to be negative because I am a huge fan of the city, but Cleveland really had a chance to go somewhere just a few years ago, and now it seems like one of, if not the only, major city in the country not making an impressive comeback. Most of this falls completely on the leadership of Cleveland.

If Cleveland did that in five seconds, most cities (including in the Rust Belt) have done it in half the time. Don't get me wrong, what has happened in Cleveland in the past few years has been very impressive, but what is happening elsewhere will blow Cleveland away. 2005 was quite a while ago when talking about urban development, and you can point to any number of downtowns/city neighborhoods across the country and say the same thing. This is one of the many reasons why it is so frustrating to get excited about Cleveland any more in development. Just got back from another trip to Milwaukee, and to see the amount of cranes across the skyline is amazing. They have already worked on making the pedestrian activity zones thrive, now they're working on their skyline and the massive residential highrises that go with a growing downtown. Milwaukee has been building residential highrises for several years now. Beacon still hasn't started, and that's the smallest of the major projects including Weston and NuCLEus. I know all about the residential conversions right now in Cleveland, but most cities have already been past that, and are now seeing extremely impressive (new construction) projects. I just think banks are leery of Cleveland (and the rest of Ohio) when it comes to massive projects because they don't see demand for it, or they have performed well below expectations when it comes to demand. Honestly, I would love to see them happen, but I highly doubt NuCLEus or Weston ever get built. The Beacon has the best chance, IMO. All this talk of big Cleveland companies building new highrises just doesn't seem plausible in today's Cleveland; there needs to be a complete change in mindset in the city. It's not about being negative, but Cleveland is seriously failing at doing most anything development-wise compared to just about every major city out there. I see why people try to be big boosters for Cleveland (the city needs it) and I use to be one of them, but if you do any sort of traveling to major cities, you begin to wonder why Cleveland can't seem to get any type of progressive leadership to make the city competitive. Not to stray away from NuCLEus, but the original plan is not going to happen. It would just be nice to see one of the many surface parking lots that scar Cleveland go away.

Just curious as I am not in the area, but have they fenced off the parking lot yet? Reading about the development happening over in Little Italy (Mayfield Station) had me thinking when this was going to actually start or at least some movement. This entire area is really starting to take off, and it's nice to see some development happening next to a redone rapid station.

Wonder why they reduced the height?

Meanwhile, over in Kansas City, they're talking about expansion plans and the amount of development happening along its route. Cincinnati talks about how many accidents it's been in. Progressive thought has yet to reach Ohio when it comes to urban thought.

The Indians looked good, but they could only do so much. What a great season! There are a lot of articles out there talking about how the Indians put up a great game and fight. No one can really say otherwise. Winning this game would have been so great for the city. America's poorest most depressed city winning two titles in one year?! Chicago would have gone on if they lost yesterday, but with how things always go in Cleveland, it's another heartbreak. People get on Clevelanders all the time (usually on internet forums) for being too chamber of commercey, defending their city because it is probably the most trashed-on city in the country. I use to post on CD years ago, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a moderator for trashing Cleveland (who they themselves got banned for taking their powers too far :-)), but I was an ardent supporter of the 216. I still support Cleveland in so many ways, but not near as much. Nowadays, it's harder to support Cleveland like I once use to as I travel and see cities across the country ramp up development, work hard to change their image, and prosper. Cleveland has so many issues on so many levels, it's hard to see a strong comeback any time soon. Long gone have the days of an overly positive Cleveland attitude to try and make it seem better than it really is. It was hard to watch yesterday's loss, as I know what that could have meant for the city of Cleveland. But I will tell you, reading through articles and twitter this morning, it has made me pretty upset to see Cleveland bashing at its finest. There's a reason why Clevelanders stand up for their city, why many feel it's "Cleveland vs the world." NEO has your back, too. "Cleveland Sucks" "Mistake by the Lake" all so cliche and being thrown out the last few days. Cleveland is still one of the most underrated cities in the country, and it's great to see people still trying to defend it. Again, Cleveland vs everyone else. Like I said before, no other cities gets trashed talked so unfairly for what it really is or has to offer, or the people that call it home. Don't get me wrong, there have been a lot of positives this year, and plenty of people who would have otherwise written Cleveland off give it some credit where it's due. Cleveland is the place I fell in love with city dynamics when I was younger in the 90s. Growing up south of Youngstown closer to Pittsburgh, but still would rather go to Cleveland because I just felt some sense of loyalty to the city. I was at the Ohio Landbank Conference last week being held at the newly redone Westin, and made sure I spent money at some of my Little Italy favorites, and even touting Cleveland to some of my Pittsburgh-praising colleagues. At the end of the day, Cleveland is underrated. There's so much that needs to be done, and I would wish the government there could focus on making Cleveland better than doing nothing at all. I watch Cleveland get passed up by the most random of cities anymore, and wonder when the decline will stop. I am writing this because last night was disappointing, but to see the Cleveland hatred continuing amazes me. The way people constantly dump on Cleveland might be the reason so many find Clevelanders annoying, because there is a constant need to tell people what it's really like, to defend a city that can't ever seem to catch a break or a city that takes one step forward but two more back. The loss last night wasn't fun to watch, but I am seeing the new Cleveland in the Indians. There's always next year. Right? Great season, Indians!

This is a very big, complicated project that takes years to realize in a difficult market like Cleveland. If the financing closes next month, that would be a remarkably fast advancement for a project of this scale. Even if it closes early next year, that would still be a fast turnaround. Let's have a little context/perspective, people. Am incorrect in stating that this is the 3rd of 4th time we have expected financing to close "within the next month?" If I am way off on this, I apologize and admit I am wrong. But I have heard that the rubber is close to meeting the road several times, and with 515 Euclid's groundbreaking on the horizon, it just appears that Stark has bitten off quite a bit. 515 Euclid is far off too. Cleveland will not be seeing any new highrises downtown for a while. These are all just plans. It's nice to get excited about, but it's Cleveland, let's not hold our breath.

I really want to be wrong in agreeing with you, but I think you're right. Cubs have this.

Cleveland State begins expansion of Washkewicz College of Engineering October 17, 2016 100,000 square feet $60 million expansion starts: http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20161017/BLOGS09/161019809/cleveland-state-begins-expansion-of-washkewicz-college-of-engineering

The poor Comfort Inn is all blocked out from the sun.

Pretty obvious. More growth in the city. Don't know why that's so hard to understand. Leadership in Cleveland is lacking for that growth to happen.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2016/gdp_metro0916.htm I've been thinking about this alot lately and I think it comes down to leadership. Our local leaders are deplorable and those on the state level aren't much better. They are only sitting their collecting checks, not creating broad strategies to cut our losses and rebuild into a city and state people want to move to. Just take a look at our transit systems-in a time when young people are abandoning cars and flocking to cities, our leaders continue to think it's 1950! This.

No, I never said they didn't count. Nor did I miss your point. You're missing mine.

I guess you didn't read the part where I said I check in daily on what is happening in the Cleveland developments section. You could have saved yourself plenty of typing by listing all the projects you just did. Believe it or not, I do try to update Cleveland's development on other sites by posting pictures, links, etc every time something new pops up, etc. I am not expecting anything out of Cleveland, really. But compared to just about every single Rust Belt city out there, Cleveland isn't really doing a lot when it comes to construction. It takes knowing and seeing what is happening in other cities, and like you have said yourself, you really don't know what is happening in Milwaukee.

Cleveland just can't seem to gain any traction at all: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2016/gdp_metro0916.htm

are you sure? it doesn't look like they're adding any height given the state of completion on the existing outer walls. I was thinking the same thing as you, so I checked their webcam. The 11th floor is being added, but away from the Euclid side right now. Check it out: https://app.oxblue.com/open/clayco/edgecsu

I check into Cleveland's development page all the time. Not much happening or really impressive. It's slowed down greatly this year, and with the promise of big projects... typical Cleveland, nothing actually comes to fruition. Meanwhile, Milwaukee is about to raise a fourth crane over downtown. I am not bashing Cleveland, just being critical. Same goes for the rest of Ohio, nothing impressive is really happening where you can brag about how well the cities in this state are doing.

Right. That's what I was trying to get at. I don't understand these numbers, and I wanted to start conversation based off of them. They seem too low. In my travels recently, I will say that most Midwestern cities seem to be doing a lot more than the 3C's, though. I really don't understand the numbers for Cleveland as I think Cleveland is doing a lot more than Cincinnati. But having been to Milwaukee, St. Louis and even Detroit within the last two months, Cleveland and Cincinnati are really lacking in new construction period whether it be residential or commercial.

2015 Per Capita Investment in Residential Construction: Madison - $1181 Kansas City - $802 Minneapolis - $758 Omaha - $689 Des Moines - $669 Indianapolis - $625 Columbus - $607 St. Paul - $464 Grand Rapids - $428 Chicago - $407 St. Louis - $277 Detroit - $117 Milwaukee - $101 Cincinnati - $97 Cleveland - $20