McLovin

What are you basing this on? Is this sarcasm? Im basing this off of 7 years of east side ridership and also seeing how well the West Side buses look and run in comparison. Also based off of Windermere drivers opinions.

Majority of them are in one way or another trust me Ive been riding the bus since I was 13 and riding heavily might I add so I know how bad they are im not over exaggerating in anyway I rarely see a bus they has none of those issues. The main issues are the worst ones with no AC or windows that dont function correctly. Ive heard numerous drivers mention and agree with me that in their words "We get the garbage." Im not asking for new buses im asking for an even distribution of bus parts because obviously Triskett gets the new parts. Also can you please stop mentioning ridership (I know that may be their reason...b.s if you ask me) because if this was you constantly riding thesse broken buses you would feel the same as me. As a matter of fact I'll start posting pics on here of the buses and you all can judge.

I'm assuming it is all linked to ridership. Ridership or not though no person should have to sit on a broken bus bus that their good money to ride. I mean ive seen numerous buses with windows that wont open or close, the ceiling on the bus is coming down, broken poles, wheelchair lifts that dont work, broken fare boxes, no AC. The worst part is some of these things I see on the bus all at once constantly and I ride the bus between 4-6 days per week. It doesnt make any sense and the East side ridership cant be that much further apart than the west sides.

Can someone answer for me how the west side gets all the nice buses and the east side gets all the buses that are falling apart with no AC in 90 degree weather? I find that to be entirely unfair and something needs to be said.

I'm sure Heinen's would do some things to differentiate itself, and maybe they'll even have more space for product, but I'm thinking of their take on the Constantino's style store. I haven't been in the Rotunda in ages, and I visited Constantino's all of one time, so good possibility I'm totally off base in how I'm picturing things. But I doubt Constantino's would move here since they just opened a store in UC and have a (small) presence already on W.9th. Reread Loretto's post. Ahh I see I read too fast

I'm sure Heinen's would do some things to differentiate itself, and maybe they'll even have more space for product, but I'm thinking of their take on the Constantino's style store. I haven't been in the Rotunda in ages, and I visited Constantino's all of one time, so good possibility I'm totally off base in how I'm picturing things. But I doubt Constantino's would move here since they just opened a store in UC and have a (small) presence already on W.9th. Edit: My mistake I read too fast but I think since they are a NEO grocer that they will/would have a natural respect for the rotunda's historical architecture.

I dont mind (maybe because im younger and dont have any real attachments to this structure) this is probably the best chance at a possible full grocery store that we have and for it to be Heinens is icing on the cake.

Ahh I see the way the article was written made it seem as if these were the only improvements we would see, they gave no indication of other major renovations.

Cleveland Browns hope enhancements to game-day experience will be a hit with fans "The Browns announced their initiatives Monday, a proposal that includes improvements to stadium access, cell-phone service, the team stores, the guest experience and pre-game rituals. “We think all of these things together will enhance the fan experience,” Scheiner said prior to the start of practice. “We know we have a lot of work to do and it’s really just the beginning for us. The more feedback we get is better.” One of biggest goals, Scheiner said, is getting fans into the stadium more quickly. They will add 44 security screening stations and 20 turnstiles. The club believes these installations will enable 4,000 more fans to enter the stadium every 15 minutes as compared with last season." Pretty underwhelmed by this to be honest was hoping at least for a new scoreboard. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/07/cleveland_browns_hope_enhancem.html#incart_river

I think they should keep the design and make it above ground I think this would be fantastic around the water because it would create more activity (if up kept) but would be blah and average away from the water. I will hold final judgements after I see updated renderings.

Where Richard Jacobs when you need him

Also as I and other people have mentioned Diesel Electric trains would also reduce the cost of extension by eliminating the cost of setting up electric lines/overheads and would be able to just run on already established rail tracks. The only thing needed would be stations and some medians for safety.

I would take this design any day over what I have seen/am seeing right now downtown.

I find the Douala Hilton interesting the rest of the hospitality buildings are eh.

I found the population portion of the RTA budget intriguing and it gave me hope for the future.

I understand. I was using the age of the Blue/Green line cars to show that the age of a railcar isn't so much the issue, but if/when it was updated, refurbished or completely rebuilt down to the carbody shells. But I see that you do recognize that the Red Line cars aren't necessarily in need of replacement. They are getting overhauled at a cost of $6,745,000 according to GCRTA's 2011-15 capital improvement plan.... The mid-life overhaul of the Authoritys Light Rail (LR) Vehicle fleet neared completion at the end of 2010 and the Heavy Rail (HR) Vehicle fleet mid-life overhaul remains underway, through at a slower completion rate than anticipated. Both projects were initiated to economically extend the useful life of the Authoritys rail vehicle fleets approximately 12 years beyond their normal expected operating life of 25 to 30 years. The cost of a new heavy or light rail vehicle is between $1.5 and $3.0 million, while a mid-life rehabilitation of the vehicle, costs much less. http://www.riderta.com/pdf/budget/2011/6-CapitalImprovementPlan.pdf RAIL EXPANSION Blue Line Extension to Warrensville Intermodal Center @ $33,770,500 due for 2013-15 ### So if this extension cost 33,770,500 how in the world could Joe C. come up with that $100 million per mile number. The Blue Line extension is less than half a mile, but costs $33M because utilities have to be moved. Which still doesnt equal $100 million per mile

I understand. I was using the age of the Blue/Green line cars to show that the age of a railcar isn't so much the issue, but if/when it was updated, refurbished or completely rebuilt down to the carbody shells. But I see that you do recognize that the Red Line cars aren't necessarily in need of replacement. They are getting overhauled at a cost of $6,745,000 according to GCRTA's 2011-15 capital improvement plan.... The mid-life overhaul of the Authority’s Light Rail (LR) Vehicle fleet neared completion at the end of 2010 and the Heavy Rail (HR) Vehicle fleet mid-life overhaul remains underway, through at a slower completion rate than anticipated. Both projects were initiated to economically extend the useful life of the Authority’s rail vehicle fleets approximately 12 years beyond their normal expected operating life of 25 to 30 years. The cost of a new heavy or light rail vehicle is between $1.5 and $3.0 million, while a mid-life rehabilitation of the vehicle, costs much less. http://www.riderta.com/pdf/budget/2011/6-CapitalImprovementPlan.pdf RAIL EXPANSION Blue Line Extension to Warrensville Intermodal Center @ $33,770,500 due for 2013-15 ### So if this extension cost 33,770,500 how in the world could Joe C. come up with that $100 million per mile number.

Let me just say that he's certainly been accused of disliking rail on multiple occasions on UO and the accusations are not entirely without cause. I would think that rail would be more efficient than buses since they can last 30+ years and require less maintenance than buses. With buses the RTA replaces them yearly at 450,000 a piece and the ideal life span is 13 years (depending on work load of course) not to mention cost of fuel and maintenance due to harsh conditions. Rail also transports customers much fastet than bus, with all these benefits its hard to even understand a dislike of rail. Are the buses really $450,000 to replace?!? That sounds very high. No they actually are

Because elected officials like posing for pictures in their suits with shiny shovels in their hands and poorly fitting hard hats on their heads so that in the next election they can claim credit for the project getting built. Now you say they support it so they can claim credit for this project. What if this project fails enormously and nothing gets fulfilled? Now what happens is those same politicians and business leaders are stuck with the label of being a supporter of ones of the largest failed projects in city history. It's really like dealing with a double edged sword.

If there is so much opposition on this board about the corridor why is there so much political support (Kasich, Mayor Jackson) and support from the RTA?

How wide is the new bridge compared to the current one? Do we really need two bridges? The old one is 4,223 feet long and 116.25 feet wide the new bridges will be 4,247 feet long and both new bridges will carry 5 lanes of traffic each way. Not knowing the amount of traffic the bridge recieves I cant answer that but I will guess no.

Buses don't do that? There's an opportunity (yeah, I know...) here to run a loop bus between the 55th and 105th Red Line stops. You could even phase out the 79th street Red Line stop, which doesn't get used much. I'm guessing a big chunk of Red Line users get to it by car or bus at some point anyway. Rail transport is much more faster and efficient than bus. I despise catching the bus places just because it takes 40+ minutes to get to my destination where it takes rail 10-20 minutes. Also I feel in my personal opinion that the streets have no reason to be widened and will end uo too wide so why not do what couldn't be done on Euclid and create a streetcar. Just curious, where in Cleveland does this happen? Where does rail/bus run parallel? I was under the impression that most of those routes (12/13) were eliminated. Or are you speaking in general terms? General terms im using my experience riding the Healthline from Windermere to downtown (40 minutes) compared to riding the red line from Windermere to downtown (17 minutes)

You're in luck, there already is one. And I agree with clvlndr to the extent that there's little sense in running buses on this when it parallels the Red Line. It's not like there aren't other routes that need those buses. There is? What is it? EDIT: Your talking about the existing rail arent you?..... -__-

Buses don't do that? There's an opportunity (yeah, I know...) here to run a loop bus between the 55th and 105th Red Line stops. You could even phase out the 79th street Red Line stop, which doesn't get used much. I'm guessing a big chunk of Red Line users get to it by car or bus at some point anyway. Rail transport is much more faster and efficient than bus. I despise catching the bus places just because it takes 40+ minutes to get to my destination where it takes rail 10-20 minutes. Also I feel in my personal opinion that the streets have no reason to be widened and will end uo too wide so why not do what couldn't be done on Euclid and create a streetcar.

I would be more excited for this if this included a streer car or rail of some sorts along this line to transport the people who can't drive.