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Those trains need to be replace they are literally 27 years old and the red line route needs to be fixed as well with the Graffiti getting cleaned.

Does anyone know the rental prices for Hazel 8?

Sketches and Pics of Circle East Town homes progress...Not impressed so far with the interior shots by the way how many units are there? The site says 20 units are still available but that looks like how many are being built. http://www.circleeasttownhomes.com/photo_gallery.html

Yes and she said she would go to Erie before here because she prefers mechanical ones hopefully this won't be the vast majority. Though she did said it was a nice casino just crowded...wish I was old enough :-( Im afraid to ask, but what the hell! How old are you? Why are you afraid to ask? And I'm 19

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Thank you for the compliment on Cleveland's Casino, but yes now I understand why Columbus is using that current location before the explanation I questioned why Columbus would build there but now I understand.

I like the look of the building from that angle at least, the other pictures make the black exterior look faded and discolored.

What you said is correct - but I highlighted the problem. 1) Keep in mind that Columbus was designated to receive a "Hollywood Casino". Not a Caesars/Horseshoe Casino. And that's an important distinction. The Hollywood Casino brand is a single-story building with attached parking. The Hollywood Casino being built in Toledo will be very similar to Columbus' Hollywood Casino. That is what Hollywood Casino builds everywhere. With any other development project, the City could simply require a multi-story design that would complement the very well done Arena District. However, it was written into the State Constitution that these casino project did not need local zoning/design review approvals. So we would have been stuck with whatever design the casino developer wanted. And for Hollywood Casino, a single-story building with attached parking that would operate as a self-contained entity is what they wanted. Additionally, the original location next to the Arena District didn't even work from a basic traffic planning perspective. The original location was at the end of a dead-end street west of the Arena District. It only had one good means of access into and out of the location. Something that was ill-suited to a high traffic generator. Even more additionally, the original casino was designated as a future downtown residential site. So in addition to a "bad design-bad location" casino, it would remove a prime downtown residential location. There was no discussions or buy-in from Columbus business and government officials before the Arena District location was chosen. The Arena District location was dropped into our laps and we were told to like it. Well we didn't and we made them move to a more appropriate location. 2) It's not the Arena District that needed the Casino. It's the Casino that wanted the Arena District. As in "let's siphon people from this already successful entertainment district". A single-story building with attached parking operating as a self-contained entity would take more from the Arena District then it would have given. 3) There is no missed opportunity for the Arena District. The original casino location has been purchased by Nationwide Realty Investors (see this post in the Arena District construction thread) and will be developed into downtown residences as was originally intended. 4) The casinos aren't designed to be great urban planning projects. They're designed to be economic development projects. -- The one exception to the "not great urban planning" statement is Cleveland's Horseshoe Casino. That one is a very good redevelopment of a vacant downtown structure. -- Cincinnati's isn't too bad. It does redevelop a long vacant portion of their downtown, which is a net positive. But the design is Las-Vegas gaudy and is meant to operate as a self-contained entity. More focused on economic activity then great urban design. 5) The Arena District didn't need an economic development project with "not great urban planning". But Columbus' west side did need an economic development project like Hollywood Casino was offering. The west side location offered the additional benefit of removing an abandoned Delphi auto parts plant as part of the casino project. TO RECAP THE TWO CASINO LOCATION CHOICES Arena District: Part of the city that didn't need any help - poorly planned location for a casino - would have removed a future downtown residential development site in the process. West Side: Removing a huge vacant plant - bringing economic development to a part of the city that desperately needed it. That is why the Hollywood Casino is being built on Columbus' West Side. And that is why I'm glad it is. Well when you state it like that then it does make sense to put it away from your downtown. Like I said I live in Cleveland so I didn't know exactly where the casino would have potentially went. Since that area of the west side was virtually dead it's a good idea to build there as it gets rid of urban blight at the same time. This all hinges on if the casino is easily accessible because that is key. I know these are two different casinos I was just saying the success of the Casino hinges on the planning from Penn National and they encourage and promote other attractions. Hopefully this allows for more development in an area from what I read in your post desperately needs it. Cleveland has vibrant areas surrounding Public Square already with regulars as I said before so they shouldn't suffer at all and if they do only a little but the sporting events should offset that. Public Square while busy during the day was missing that key attraction to keep people there after workers left so putting the casino in the Higbee building was a smart idea as it is a magnet for people to go into and having it attached to Tower City will the underground train station allows for easy accessibility, which I hope your casino has. Putting the Casino right next to Tower City should also benefit the shopping mall as well and has spurred development all around downtown and Public Square in areas that desperately needed it. Really all in all what I'm trying to say is the success of these casino's and surrounding entertainment and eateries hinges on a great location to build in/on and unselfish planning and I believe Cleveland's casino has it I just am hoping your casino planners will be unselfish as well. Good luck with your casino...

Ha I won't but maybe when I get older I will get more expertise on different projects like you all have...

This is the first time you have agreed with one of my post! lol

Yes and she said she would go to Erie before here because she prefers mechanical ones hopefully this won't be the vast majority. Though she did said it was a nice casino just crowded...wish I was old enough :-(

I don't necessarily believe that your Casino would be risky to put in Downtown Columbus. Would their be a risk? Of course but that is with every downtown business. If Penn national does what Rock Caesars did with the Horseshoe Casino in Cleveland by not putting Vegas Style shows, tons of restaurants and other things to keep people in and only included a B spot Restaurant, a Buffet, and Bar then it should be fine. Also Cleveland made Horseshoe Casino pledge to promote other downtown businesses as well to their casino customers. Cleveland just ran a story saying the businesses around the Casino are experiencing a spillover from the casino and putting up record numbers. While I know it's still early the businesses shouldn't suffer because the districts such as (East 4th, Warehouse District, Playhouse Square, and the Gateway District) have had regulars and great business especially 4th which is full often. The casino can only add to that and if it takes away it won't be by much, especially since those aforementioned districts also benefit from having the sports teams such as the Cleveland Gladiators, Cleveland Indians, Cleveland Browns, Lake Erie Monsters, Cleveland Crush, and Cleveland Cavs that visit them before and after games. Also Cleveland's downtown shopping is turning around so that's a plus. Long story short what I'm saying is if Downtown Columbus had a truly vibrant downtown with people who fill the bars and restaurants without their being a special attraction downtown like Cleveland's does, then a casino should be fine as long as Penn National doesn't do any selfish and bad planning. Columbus also has the Blue Jackets, Crew, Clippers etc. that would attract a different non casino crowd to keep the other businesses flowing. So while Casino's are risky if the infrastructure and great planning are down there then it would be fine.

It was just a post in a forum location about how the Horseshoe has created a spillover and that downtown is buzzing with a lot of the bars and restaurants especially the close ones are full and Fox 8 said that restaurants like John Q's and Tilted Kilt are having record days.

I just got excited about downtown and its future by reading your post!! lol

Yeah that aspect makes it look suburban instead of urban

Your cities design isn't that bad I actually like it but the grass space in a downtown neighborhood is head scratching

What do you like about our (Cleveland's) Casino lol

Downtown! And walking distance (8 blocks) from the riverfront. Thank you sounds like a good location that's where our second phase is supposed to be (off the cuyahoga river) Good luck with yours!!

Is the arena district downtown? I live in Cleveland so I don't know but I am curious

As long as the lines are long the Casino will continue with the 5,000 people at a time rule to ease workers in and make people feel comfortable. Also their are only 5,000 seats in there

So your casino is downtown as well or somewhere else like Columbus'?

God that was rude I just wanted to make some interior comparisons of yours to the one here in Cleveland. Even though we saw or building everyday we still posted progress and the rendering to the Phase II. Thank you to the people who helped me..

I'm not really sure how to interpret those large crowds...will that take away from the other entertainment options downtown, or are the lines just long like this because it's the beginning of the casino opening. I hope it's the latter and everyone benefits but I am a little skeptical now Given that everyone out and about today has said how much car traffic there is, I don't think these are (just) downtown people diverting their typically daily dollars/lunches, these are people coming into downtown from elsewhere. I think it's just because the casino just opened, but will/should show those coming in that downtown is a fine place to come, and when they don't feel like standing in line for one of the 4 dining options, they will go elsewhere nearby. I hope your right because I believe MTS said that the Warehouse district and 4th street were dead last night, maybe it was a coincidence but it's just a waiting game now

I'm not really sure how to interpret those large crowds...will that take away from the other entertainment options downtown, or are the lines just long like this because it's the beginning of the casino opening. I hope it's the latter and everyone benefits but I am a little skeptical now

I've been checking this thread for you all's Casino rendering or progress so far but I can't find it...can someone help?