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One thing's for certain: if there's good news about the street car, Biased Barry Horstman and the Fair and Balanced Enquirer won't be reporting it.

COAST is in full propaganda mode ala Joseph Goebbels on their blog and elsewhere on the net, insinuating that Duke's $130Million rate increase is solely due to the Streetcar.

Are you trolling us Kyle or are you being purposefully obtuse?

^Sorry, I should've given a link for those too: http://www.urbancincy.com/2012/09/cincinnati-announces-plan-to-allow-streetcar-construction-to-advance/ Remember that Duke was at first quoting $18Million+ for relocation, based on an outrageous 6 foot move, where other cities have only moved 3 feet.

For comparisons sake, in 2008 Duke estimated that relocation for its utilities for the BSB project would cost around $87 Million: https://www.cincymagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=2CE771F28E0D4281817E2E034A9C57C6&nm=Archive&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=61465020993F438B9FCD60C66CC58CDC&tier=4&id=17CCA0182B484BA984691053965B3297

$12-15 Million for Streetcar utility relocation costs. God only knows what those costs are going to be for the BSB replacement boondoggle.

From PUCO regarding Duke's statewide rate increase request: "Duke is seeking to increase electric distribution revenues by $86,581,974, or approximately 24.02 over current revenues. Duke is also seeking to increase natural gas distribution revenues by $44,607,929, or approximately 18.09 percent over current revenues." This is a $130,000,000+ rate increase, which dwarfs the costs of the streetcar utility relocation costs Downtown.

^In the grand scheme of things, the cost of relocating the Duke utilities for the proposed streetcar is just a miniscule percentage of Duke's annual *profits* too.

Duke's 24% increase has nothing to do with the streetcar. Period. This is a separate rate increase request from Duke's request to charge its Cincinnati customers for utility relocation costs associated with the streetcar (which has not been ruled on yet by the full PUCO board). The 24% increase would be *in addition to* the costs that Duke would charge its Cincinnati customers for streetcar related costs, and effects all of Duke's Ohio customers. We are talking about a great deal more money than the several million dollars involved in the downtown utility relocation costs.

Then ODOT should pay to relocate utilities from the Brent Spence Bridge project, but it won't. Duke is paying. Exactly. If Duke's request is granted then Duke and every other public utility in Ohio will have the power to bill local governments, including the State of Ohio, for all work done in relation to civic projects throughout the State. I would bet that the Kasich administration is working against Duke's proposal behind the scenes.

Kyle, Duke is a public utility company that operates within the city's right of way. As such, Duke is obliged to pay for costs associated with relocating its equipment when civic projects demand they be moved. The 24% increase has nothing to do with the streetcar, it's over and above what Duke wants to charge City residents for moving its lines. The 24% increase would apply to all Duke customers in the state of Ohio.

Biased Barry Horstman chimed in this morning with an anti-streetcar quip: ‏@barryhorstman Today, even supporters might concede 1 plus to Cincinnati streetcar not being built yet: not having to wait for it in single digit temps 9:44 AM - 22 Jan 13

After reading a couple of the Cartographer's long winded streetcar diatribes I have to wonder if he suffers from Asperger’s Syndrome, of if he's a savant?

And right on schedule unemployed deadbeat Mark Miller chimes in: COAST ‏@GOCOAST MLB All Star Game coming to town, & the Streetcar is so far behind schedule, it won't be ready for it! Imagine! http://is.gd/UF9xJH 10:08 PM - 21 Jan 13 · Details

Finney won't stop, because this whole episode isn't about stopping the streetcar for that low life shyster, it's about filing frivolous lawsuits and hoping that cash strapped municipalities will give him quicky settlements to go away. COAST is nothing short of a scam to line Finney's pockets with taxpayer dollars.

I don't know that Chabot's ammendment ever made it through the reconciled bill. If it had passed I would think that it would've made for a headline story in the Enquirer.

Facts? COAST don't need no stinkin' facts!

For the past two days COAST has been pimping another appearance by Frivolous Finney on Brian Thomas' radio show at 7:05am this morning to discuss the streetcar yet again. I take it that Finney was a no-show, as Thomas sent out this tweet at 7:19am: What a crying shame.

That's ridiculous Nate, if numbers of urban planning professionals were opposed to the streetcar system they would have piped up at some point over the past 6 years. You are simply projecting your own opinions. In fact urban planners have lauded the development of streetcar systems across the nation.

^Bullocks, we've had 6 years of debate about the streetcar. And where are these urban planners who are saying that a streetcar doesn't make logical sense here?

The irony is that COAST has been tweeting & posting on their blog urging people to write & call in opposition to Duke's request, which has actually aided the City of Cincinnati's position. As to whether Duke can pass the utility relocation costs on to all of its ratepayers in the County/region, I'm guessing that option will be politically unfeasible for Duke. My read is that this is a victory for the City assuming the full PUCO board upholds the decision. In the end however the issues between the City & Duke may still need to be litigated.

Precisely which "fights" over which "subway" and in what "years" do you refer to?

I respectfully disagree. Cranley is now the go-to anti-streetcar voice for the media, and any discussion of the merits of his candidacy vis–à–vis the credibility of his anti-streetcar diatribe should be within the limits for discussion on this thread.

There should be a new term for those who claim to be streetcar supporters then qualify their "support" with a "but", make claims that not one but TWO votes regarding the Streetcar does not mean that people voted in favor of building the system, and/or repeat COAST/Enquirer/WLW mistruths regarding the streetcar: Streetcar Truthers.

Furthermore, Cranley's Incline Village development, which has cost City Taxpayers millions of dollars, is a boondoggle in the truest sense. The one business to open there, the Bayou Fish House, has already gone bust: http://westside.fox19.com/news/restaurants/95366-bayou-fish-house-closed-price-hill The Incline Public House was to have opened in Autumn 2012, and so far there's no sign that this establishment will open its doors anytime soon: Incline Public House to open in Price Hill by October http://cincinnati.com/blogs/newintown/2012/07/13/incline-public-house-to-open-in-price-hill-by-october/ John Cranley is long on promises and short on delivery.