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Seething tells me while they were built to support 4-6 they will be 2-4 for safety reasons. The whole thing is already a decade into its lifecycle, and probably won't see any buildings until 15-18 years into its life. I'd be willing to get that engineers Come back & for safety reasons tone it down. If say it should have buildings on a couple blocks & maybe have 1 that is a lawn/Pavillion. Also, it will be retail, not residential.

The best part of the casino is that it doesn't have a hotel. In 5 years when they build it the city better push hard that it is VERY fancy and has only about 150-200 rooms. That will ensure most people/regular people probably stay in other parts of downtown and travel to the casino.

City didn't really have a choice regarding housing vs. casino. As soon as casino passed it would go there.

A cyclist is the same as saying a golfer or a swimmer. Do I ride my bike? Yes. Do I golf? Yes. Am I a golfer? No. Am I a cyclist, no. I don't have fancy gear, I don't do it for sport or play 18 holes weekly and know what my handicap is. I just randomly play with the guys & have a few beers from time to time. I ride my bike around downtown OTR & NKY and maybe once in a while to Eden park or up Clifton. I ride a bike, that doesn't make me a cyclist. Frank Henson is a cyclist. The guy riding on the sidewalk yesterday who yelled at me to get out of the way even though he should have been in the street was not a cyclist. It's not a racially charged term. Dont start stuff by bringing race into it. It's the same as any sport.

I think John Schneider is on planning commission who approved this. John was the city duped?

I heard he didn't have lights, wasn't wearing a helmet & was almost certainly at fault. Just rumors though, hoping to confirm

Not even a comparison. That area is insanely dense & has dozens of cities pressed against each other. Purchasing power in even the lower middle class areas in LA are pretty high. Probably beats most of Cincinnati's Westside and theres a target in Westwood I forgot about. Maybe if the Newport target hadn't been built, but currently there's no chance.

^Target would never keep a New Newport location, downtown location Oakley location & their new blue ash location.

Very exciting. I can't wait for Mercer Commons before & after. That will be crazy.

Woa! Talk about a soft opening...

I've been saying 2015 for about a year. Also, the 2015 announcement was almost 2 weeks ago when they announced Dukes delay.

Couldn't resist :-D

Highly unlikely that that will happen anytime soon.

What I've heard from friends who are consulting with the city on this is that whats being considered is to remove the two in-street ramps, replace the elevator with one inside the structure (opening up the sidewalk) and re-do the facade of the retail space as well as consider a facade improvement on the southern face of the structure.

Pogue's garage is just over 1000 spaces, tower place garage is around 200 spaces.

Can someone ask coast & Smitherman why that's ok?

well it's clearly not the plan anymore... they just sold the buildings they owned to 3CDC...

Pretty hideous exterior. How do these things get approved?! Seriously. Did the planning commission approve this crap?

I hope that every single person here voted in 2010 for all statewide positions. But remember, that's never enough on its own. Everyone needs to drag friends with them, make sure people are registered with proper addresses, spread the word about less popular candidates & offices (the average person doesn't care about Auditor or Treasurer) and bug people on election day. The Ohio GOP will do anything to stop transit projects.

I feel like deleting 1958-2008 would be a great thing for urban america.

Golf courses don't bring in that much revenue. Having read the City Manager's budget document, the City's golf courses are barely covering their costs after the state ruled they are no longer property tax exempt. And is spending millions to raise property values for office parks through expensive golf courses a top priority for struggling hamilton county governments? Additionally, the city owns those 98 acres. The city is closing golf courses (Dunham) not adding them. So unless Blue Ash wants to propose another tax increase to buy an $18 million piece of land, then build a municipal golf course that would not be property tax free, it's not gonna happen. There are two viable options. Homes or office park. Parks and recreation are highly unlikely, expensive, create little revenue and Blue Ash just started a 130 acre park, I doubt they're going to add 98 more at a cost of $18 million just to purchase the land. Cincinnati is going to charge full value if it's to be developed as residential as that might draw away residents from the City- why would they give a break in cost to lose residents? If there is a JEDD and an office park built the City could either lease the land, or sell it to a developer and then get earnings tax revenue.

^ Parkland would be nice, but I highly doubt Blue Ash is going to pay another ~$18 million to the City to get another 100 acres of park land. 98 acres is incredibly valuable as a potential source of tax revenue. No municipality has enough $ right now to forgoe such an attractive development option.

^ Blue Ash recently developed it's last vacant parcel of over 17 acres. All undeveloped land is now under 17 acres. This is a 98 Acre site. Assuming this has the potential to become a fully developed corporate office park you could assume at least 3000 jobs on fully built out 98 acre office park. That's actually a very very very low estimate for a site of this size. Madisonville's Suburban-style Medpace campus is certainly less than 10 acres and is over 1000 jobs. As this would be a new suburban office park lets assume the average salary is $50,000. That's $150,000,000 in wages. Assume they come up with a hybrid of 1.6% (Cincinnati is 2.1%, Blue Ash is 1.25%) and they split them each at .8% (this is all just imaginary but semi-possible). That's $1.2 million for each municipality each tax year once the site is fully built out. The "difficulty" of a JEDD is maybe 6 months of legal wrangling & political negotiating on details and then passing an agreement between the municipalities. I hardly believe that's too difficult that it wouldn't be worth going after. Outside of a JEDD, what would happen with the site?

I think the most likely option is a big new suburban style office park that is built using a Joint Economic Development District in which the City & Blue Ash split the earnings tax on all jobs in the JEDD and set a clause that all jobs there must come from outside Cincy or Blue Ash.

Did he say what the basis for the lawsuit is? There has to be some perceived wrong doing, he can't just sue because he needs some $$.