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I'd be more interested in an art cinema house. Something like an Angelika Film Center (the best of which are usually local) that has the renovated sheen, attracts an eclectic mixture of socialites, artists, and students, and shows a mixture of indie and foreign films. With an urban cinema house you're creating a setting where people come together to enjoy a film, and I think that concept is a lot richer with indie and foreign films, rather than dollar shows, and especially not blockbuster crapola. I don't think you have the demographics around Coventry for Shrek 3, 365 days a year, but my understanding is admittedly tentative at best.

Burke is all landfill. It was built with the same dredgings they are planning on using for the new facility, and the ones on Dike 14. Why would it be any different? Burke was not just river dredgings like Dike 14. Burke was also a landfill. People don't even know what was put in there or where, this area was created pre EPA. It is on the list of most contaminated Cuyahoga County properties by state and federal agencies. There was a lot of tests done in the early to mid 90's and parts of the area were found to be "toxic". Thus why people have to legitimately wear hazmat suits to do just about any type of work on that land. Reasons pursuing Burke at the present time is "dumb": 1. Due to the contaminated nature of the grounds, I have heard costs to clean the contaminated soil are astronomical. As in truly, truly astronomical. 2. Unlike Meigs Field in Chicago, Burke was built almost entirely with FAA funds in the early 60's. Meigs was built in the 40's by the city of chicago. So when Daley bulldozed x's in some runways, the FAA didn't have much of a say. Granted they were pissed, Chicago should have given 30 days notice to closing their airport, but it was their choice. Hence they had to pay a $33,000 fine. Closing Burke is not just Cleveland's call, it's also the FAA who built it. And we need the FAA money that flows into Hopkins a lot more than a city like Chicago does. If we "pull a daley" and bulldoze the runway it could have serious implications in regards to the funding Cleveland recieves from the FAA. We'd also have to repay all the money the FAA used to build it, which I'm pretty sure we don't have lying around. 3. Massive connectivity issues. I think sometimes people around here tend to overlook just how disconnected we are from our "lakefront". Well, there is a reason the city was founded on the banks of the Cuyahoga and not on the "shores" of lake erie... We don't have a natural lakefront. Our lakefront was a 50 foot cliff that started right behind city hall. Most of the land comprised of what is now known as our lakefront was dirt brought in by rail cars from excavating land in the downtown area. The terminal tower provided over 1,000 rail cars full of dirt alone. And that rail line as we all know is still there and is still very active.... at the bottom of the 50 foot drop. Then there is that little thing known as the shoreway that gets in the way. And about midway through the Burke land is the shoreway / 90 interchange that takes up quite a bit of land. And on the Burke side, there isn't a single connection from that land to the city save East 9th street. And even if there were once you get past east 18th street, you'd be connecting that land to light industrial land, not exactly the most beautiful or populated areas of the city. The problems and challenges with Burke are enormous. I don't know why AT THIS POINT, we are even wasting our time. It can be a great asset as an airport... and in the meantime we've got ONE HUNDRED AND TEN ACRES of lakefront land at the port. Land that is already connected to the Warehouse District (the most populated neighborhood of downtown), the river, the central business district. 110 acres. That's practically a third of the size of downtown proper. It's going to keep us busy for quite some time. And contrary to what Mr. Morrison has to say (whom definitely does not get along with the administration), disolving your port and giving it away to far away places isn't regionalism. That's just giving your port (and most of it's economic benefits) away. I'm guessing Chris Warren and Chris Ronayne, the two biggest proponents of Regionalism you will find, also don't see this as such. And as for just absolving the port and just "developing" the whole thing all at once rather than phasing it in over 25-30 years, well I'm sorry but that is just assinine. I mean really. We're talking about an area roughly a third of the size of downtown. Who pays for that? And what happens when you build tens of thousands of residences all at once? How long do those places sit empty, what does that oversaturation do to the rest of the downtown? How many millions of square feet of office space do you think downtown can absorb right now? And saying things like "not doing anything until 2035" is patently false. Plans call for the first phase to be worked in over the next five years. The bottom line is that like it or not and as frustrating as it may be. Phasing this development in over the next 20-30 years IS the best way to go about developing a parcel this large. It will keep demand and interest up. Came across this great post and thought it would be nice to bring up again, just to dismiss any discussion about developing burke. It sounds like it's non sequitur unless someone pursues an EPA brownfield remediation grant, but I get the impression that an inordinate amount of NEO is brownfield.

I heard this listening to npr while I was waking up, and a friend of mine at work brought it up as well. It's interesting that this is probably the least detail-rich piece I've seen on Cleveland resurgence, instead of citing any impressive numbers it cites.. a blogger who said the numbers were significant lol, it certainly got amplified a lot more than others due to the kind of audience that listens to npr.

Ah, fair enough. And apparently CleHts has some bizarre ordinance banning 3rd floor working kitchens, so it looks like 2nd floor is where it's at around Case, just for the benefit of anyone else reading this thread. :wink: The near west side has a lot of concentrated public housing. The central west side has a lot of gang activity, perhaps more organized than that of the east side. I've worked with kids in these areas. Interesting. Is there anywhere to rent a bike for a day in Cleveland or a bikeshare system of some sort? I really want to just take one for a spin myself and see what I think of biking Detroit Ave to downtown. I've never really biked much in a big city, only in small southern or European college towns, so it's hard to place my trepidation on the matter.. TwoSense, you're right that the advice is a lot more accurate on boards like this, but that's a strange concept to me. You guys obviously aren't getting paid, and, in some cases are instead paying for this board for those good samaritans out there. About.com writers get paid to write crap, and from a friend of mine who used to do it for the OKC page, it's not bad money comparable to free lancing major circulation papers. Tsk tsk

Here is that same crime map, but I took the time to highlight a few highways and major streets to get a better sense for the lay of the land.. What's with south of Detroit and east of W65, and likewise, practically all of Ohio City and Tremont? Darker the blue the better.

This is urbplannstdt, lost my password but I like this name a lot better, and losing 13 post count isn't a big issue obviously. Anyway, I will check all those out around Case - is there a source or something to go off of for those? University Circle seems like a big void of private development honestly, more of a business, entertainment, cultural hub, less of a residential community - but I could be wrong. Thanks for the tip as with all the rest. And interesting thing about that improving stretch of Prospect (again, all I care about is if the walk from there to downtown is safe at day and night) is that it is listed on this Cleveland crime map as one of the safest enclaves on the east side, yet the crime map paints a pretty damning picture of downtown HOWEVER I assume that is overstated due to the relative density of other uses (the per capita adjustment is for residential population). Larchmere looks incredible too, at least on streetview. I will be in Cleveland July 9-11 it seems to figure out where I will be living August-December, who knows I may decide I love it so much I won't ever leave (but I've always become attached to where I settle down, perhaps that means I'm territorial lol). On a side note, about.com is smoking some pretty good stuff. Their geographic description of Little Italy is so erroneous that even I, someone who has only researched Cleveland on the web a lot, knew it was bad. "Little Italy sits above University Circle, bounded by Euclid Avenue to the south, Cedar Road to the east, Mayfield Road to the north, and Lake View Cemetery to the west." It's scary that people actually get paid to write for that site, usually they have a paid writer for each city. :-(