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the Yard House use to be one of my favorite hang outs in Long Beach and Irvine Ca... definately WAY more upscale then an Applebees. Entrees are $20+, burgers $10 plus

I understand your point, but those are essentially one horse towns...OSU...U of L and 2 anonymous pro teams. One saddle for one horse with a unanimous draw. Not going to happen here. UC is better off renovating a shoe they already can't fill and history shows if it's not on campus the people won't come aka gardens and riverfront. We can repeat the failure of our NBA and AHL past or use all of our resources to make the most business sense... And as a diehard Bearcats fan, I can even admit that the most popular college basketball team in greater Cincinati is not UC... Or Xavier.. It's defiately big Blue... And an Enquirer or online poll would prove it

nobody will fund a large Arena without a regular tenant.... the only way we get that is NBA and the 36 home games... UC's 15 home games will not cut it, plus the shoe is a great on campus arena. It has to be large enough (25k+) to attract regional NCAA events and headliner acts. The only other place I would put it is directly over I-75 tied directly into the Convention Center to get it to that magical million plus square footage. This should be fairly easy with the Brent Spence Reconfiguration. The other stuff suggested is nice, but business must be profitable... UC would need a lot of money to leave campus, since the shoe-5/3 is probably a revenue generator. The Convention Center expansion facet would make it interesting for the larger cause.

I'll stick with Newport... to any non-Cincinnatian, Newport and Covington are just as much of the "urban core" as downtown or over the Rhine is. The Jets/Giants play in New Jersey and is the statue of the chick with the torch is too... who cares? Northern Kentucky and it's roughly 70k of urban residence should be embraced. If an arena is ever built, it needs a draw... the local, inherent Cincy pessimism will never allow an "new" Cincy NBA, NHL whatever team succeed... without decades of bureaucracy and government intervention. Kentucky... just the name, is a draw... that's why the race track is there. Having the ONLY NBA team in Kentucky, right there in Newport would be a regional draw, not only for Kentucky, but for greater Cincinnati. It could be huge. Again, Newport is part of that urban core, like it or not, OR IT WOULDN'T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE... NOR WOULD COVINGTON. Can you imagine the draw of rabid kentucky basketball fans... plus you know UK would play a few games a year there too... hell Lexington always draws better concerts because of Rupp...

where the Newport ovation site is... 25k plus arena Slap the name Kentucky "anything" on an NBA team Get regional NCAA basketball there Major Concerts Market a 2nd convention center around it and the new neigborhood... winning...

My opinion... we're 20 years away from any real development... dig it up... put in some underground parking an put in a heavy duty park... like the Washington Park redo... we have the Banks, QCS etc.... enough already... give downtown a bath and plant some trees and flowers... get rid of ALL the surface parking BS... ashphalt is not beautiful....and neither is another silly building...

I feel the exact same way... I'm always Cincinnati's biggest cheerleader... to the point where my peers tell to move back... but Cincy has turned in to Liz Taylor... once stunning.... once progressive... once relavent... but now just some old lady that past her prime.... he still speak highly of her only out of respect. Ohio needs to wake up. Being conservative and middle of the road leads you to ruin, as it has for centuries... yesterdays news

to make the NBA successful in Cincinnati, make it part of the Ovation project in Newport.... seating 20k plus on the river, slap the name "KENTUCKY whatever" and watch the people come....

bitter sweet for me... hate to see this happen to Dayton here's a nice video too... http://money.cnn.com/video/pf/2009/07/09/pf_best_places_peachtree.moneymag/ CNN/MONEY.com BEST PLACES TO LIVE 2009 #8 PEACHTREE CITY GEORGIA Ask any family why they chose to put down roots in this Atlanta suburb and you'll get three answers. First, the expected: an excellent school system and low crime (the low­est rate of any small town in the state). Then the unexpect­ed: the golf carts. Planned in 1959, Peachtree City contains five "villages" that are connected not only by standard roads but also by 90 miles of wooded golf-cart paths. Children drive carts to school, families to either of two 250-acre lakes, and yes, golfers to any of the three courses in town. While the jobless rate isn't teeny, it's two percentage points below the national average. And opportunities nearby are growing: ATM builder [glow=red,2,300]NCR [/glow]and construction equipment maker Sany plan to add a total of 1,400 positions in the next two years.

everybody knows that Clark Gable is from Hopedale... Cadiz is just the closest big "metro"...

perfect discription

Indy just always feels generic to me... like the city lost in time... we all know it exists, but not sure why. Living in LA and Atlanta, peopl traveL to Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburg, StLouis etc etc... but never Indy... like it doesn't really exist.. This is going to come across harsh, but Indy feels like if Lima stole a few professional sports teams... I just don't get it. And Carmel is like the most out of place set of "Clampet" wannabees that I've ever seen. But it's still nicer then C-Bus

the old manager "jimmy" is still in my sig. It use to be camp washington til they glitzed it up. When I use to live on telford, i had a cheese coney every day

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which statement would be false? What a thoroughly un-educated statement... I now understand why you think Atlanta is an utopia! I laugh. I'm almost amazed that you only comment on this thread and none other here on UO. It's nice you can tear yourself away from Nascar & moonshine to comment here on UO.

I didn't mean to offend... my point was, Atlanta is growing while Cleveland is not... as a city or a metro... like a crying baby, every once in a while mts gets under my skin... the thread was started with angst and envy... just found the hillbilly line ironic, since as a youth, traveling to Cleveland had the same conotation which was imature and unimfomed

Atlanta is far from hillbilly heaven. That designation stretches from Medina to Columbiana, boxed in by Ashtabula. Atlanta is a transient town of people from all over the US. My neighborhood has very little natives. But you remind of the fans in the movie "major league" The 5,000 people in a 80,000 seat stadium going "you suck". People desire to live in Atlanta, unlike Cleveland. Things are stilling being built in Atlanta unlike Cleveland. The major news networks this week stated Atlanta was one of the hot job markets in the US. The other hot markets were states, not cities. Cleveland has ZERO on Atlanta minus a burning river, Drew Carey ( story about a loser). major league (story about a losing team) the RR hall, which they still give out the awards in NYC because NOBODY wants to go to Cleveland. The kid with no toys always hates the one with toys... so I feel your pain... Again, they use an area that damn near reaches the Tenn/GA border. It's a hicktown! With tons and tons of homeless people, foreclosures and soon to be unemployed! America's most over rated city! Yawn. Right on que! I knew you would show up, what took you so long?

what a thoroughly un-educated statement... I now understand why you think Cleveland will recover Again, they use an area that damn near reaches the Tenn/GA border. It's a hicktown! With tons and tons of homeless people, foreclosures and soon to be unemployed! America's most over rated city! Yawn.

Hillbillys? This coming from people from Cleveland... holy crap, I've seen it all... if Cleveland didn't have Lebron, it would just be Lima with a few taller buildings... no offense Lima

golf cart bridge next to our house

there are good cities and great cities... the haters are in the good...

It's the difference between the US and Europeans... most euros are proud and love their home towns... most americans don't. But again, from an outsiders view, Cincy very seldom gets bad press, or word of mouth. No city in the midwest has a: Roebling Bridge, Music Hall, Union Terminal, Over the Rhine, Mt Adams, local dominent bank, grocer, department store, convenience store, pizza parlor and chili chain etc that dominate the local landscape. Most of the midwest has been bastardized with a national presense. Cincy is very lucky... the bigiest enemy of Cincy is the locals who have no knowledge of what Cincy is all about...

nah... Cincy doesn't need to be defended... it's a gem, and thats known in the business world, especially from it's strong fortune 1000 presence. A distinct local flavor that's matched by none in the midwest.

How'd you know I'm cheap? This is one of my favorite streets to walk on at night in Cincinnati. The residential neighborhood has great charm and it is a gradual progression from the beautiful homes in the Gaslight District, to the mid-rise apartment buildings, and eventually to the Ludlow Avenue business district. Tinks, Paolo (jewelry store), and Graeter's are all open late and have activity that flows out onto the street. Then you get to Ludlow and the sights/sounds of the Esquire Theatre and Sitwells (coffee shop) fill you with warmth. Then you've also got one or more street performers. Absolutely wonderful...great for a stroll on a nice night (makes for a cheap date too).

1st picture was my morning view for 3 years... I use to live in the 3 bedroom basement accross the street on Telford... great pic